[SPA] La I beat you 8-0 Liga 2012/2013 (7 Viewers)

Hængebøffer

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Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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why are we bringing up so many players from the 90s now? the main argument is that Messi is better than Zlatan, which no doubt he is. and now ronaldo, figo and zidane make the list for some reason. i don't see what they have to do with Messi owning Ibra.
for juventus, ibrahimovic would be a better player.

since we dont play shitty kakki, it would be to easy to mark lolmessi

zlatan on the other hand, can only be marked by chiellini
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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Zlatan puts his national team up 4 levels, takes them on his back to take points of clearly better teams

He led an inferior milan to an disgusting CL exit, based on a nonexistant penalty kick

won championship after championship, where he was the team, he did everything.



messi, is an exceptional player, who cant carry his national team for one bit, who sucks against deeplying defences, who needed xavi and iniesta to carry barcelona for him for years.



Seriously if i had to choose i'd rather take ibra.
Zlatan has for the most part done jack shit for his NT. He has however been amazing in several league campaigns, but still not as good as Messi. The latter scores a lot more goals, and he most definitely creates a lot more goals. Now I know you're going to bring up La Liga's poor defenses, but lets not forget Messi is a year or two away from being the all time top scorer in the CL as well. So obviously he's not only scoring goals against lowly Liga defenses, but he's tearing it all apart in Europe as well. In the same European stage, the CL, Zlatan has scored about half the goals Messi has, which again comes to show the gulf in quality between the two.

Messi is better than Zlatan in everything perhaps other than strength and physique. The two are not comparable at all, I would not consider Zlatan as one of the top three players in the world in the past few years. I'd personally put the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, C.Ronaldo and Messi all above him.

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answer Zach's points :)
Even though its a huge waste of time and you know it, i still did.

Whats next, actually arguing with someone that says Paro is better than Fabregas.
 

ZoSo

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Jul 11, 2011
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Zlatan has for the most part done jack shit for his NT. He has however been amazing in several league campaigns, but still not as good as Messi. The latter scores a lot more goals, and he most definitely creates a lot more goals. Now I know you're going to bring up La Liga's poor defenses, but lets not forget Messi is a year or two away from being the all time top scorer in the CL as well. So obviously he's not only scoring goals against lowly Liga defenses, but he's tearing it all apart in Europe as well. In the same European stage, the CL, Zlatan has scored about half the goals Messi has, which again comes to show the gulf in quality between the two.

Messi is better than Zlatan in everything perhaps other than strength and physique. The two are not comparable at all, I would not consider Zlatan as one of the top three players in the world in the past few years. I'd personally put the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, C.Ronaldo and Messi all above him.

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Even though its a huge waste of time and you know it, i still did.

Whats next, actually arguing with someone that says Paro is better than Fabregas.
:lol:
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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Zlatan has for the most part done jack shit for his NT. He has however been amazing in several league campaigns, but still not as good as Messi. The latter scores a lot more goals, and he most definitely creates a lot more goals. Now I know you're going to bring up La Liga's poor defenses, but lets not forget Messi is a year or two away from being the all time top scorer in the CL as well. So obviously he's not only scoring goals against lowly Liga defenses, but he's tearing it all apart in Europe as well. In the same European stage, the CL, Zlatan has scored about half the goals Messi has, which again comes to show the gulf in quality between the two.

Messi is better than Zlatan in everything perhaps other than strength and physique. The two are not comparable at all, I would not consider Zlatan as one of the top three players in the world in the past few years. I'd personally put the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, C.Ronaldo and Messi all above him.

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Even though its a huge waste of time and you know it, i still did.

Whats next, actually arguing with someone that says Paro is better than Fabregas.
:D i would never waste your time, i am interested in seeing you guys presnet your points, messi is definitely more skilled but zlatan proved categorically that he can carry many teams, messi has yet to do that imo
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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and that, was exactly my point :)

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Zlatan has for the most part done jack shit for his NT. He has however been amazing in several league campaigns, but still not as good as Messi. The latter scores a lot more goals, and he most definitely creates a lot more goals. Now I know you're going to bring up La Liga's poor defenses, but lets not forget Messi is a year or two away from being the all time top scorer in the CL as well. So obviously he's not only scoring goals against lowly Liga defenses, but he's tearing it all apart in Europe as well. In the same European stage, the CL, Zlatan has scored about half the goals Messi has, which again comes to show the gulf in quality between the two.

Messi is better than Zlatan in everything perhaps other than strength and physique. The two are not comparable at all, I would not consider Zlatan as one of the top three players in the world in the past few years. I'd personally put the likes of Xavi, Iniesta, C.Ronaldo and Messi all above him.

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Even though its a huge waste of time and you know it, i still did.

Whats next, actually arguing with someone that says Paro is better than Fabregas.
if you read what i said before, it clearly stated that defences worldwide are at an alltime low compared to 90ties.

worldwide includes europe.



also, zlatan never had an entire team with the offensive power as barcelona behind him, apart from that one year where he had to play on the side cause messi was central
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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:D i would never waste your time, i am interested in seeing you guys presnet your points, messi is definitely more skilled but zlatan proved categorically that he can carry many teams, messi has yet to do that imo
That is a bullshit argument, to be honest. First of all because Barcelona are not the same team without Messi, second of all, because the only way to prove that to a lot of people, is for him to move to a smaller team than Barcelona, which will never happen. Similarly, one could use the same argument against any player who has played for a big team with top players for the entirety of his career.

Lets also not forget Zlatan's hot and cold season with Barca.

Di Natale has proven more than Messi that he can carry small teams, next i'm going to hear people placing Di Natale above the likes of C.Ronaldo and Messi.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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That is a bullshit argument, to be honest. First of all because Barcelona are not the same team without Messi, second of all, because the only way to prove that to a lot of people, is for him to move to a smaller team than Barcelona, which will never happen. Similarly, one could use the same argument against any player who has played for a big team with top players for the entirety of his career.

Lets also not forget Zlatan's hot and cold season with Barca.

Di Natale has proven more than Messi that he can carry small teams, next i'm going to hear people placing Di Natale above the likes of C.Ronaldo and Messi.

and you call my argument bullshit?? barcelona just like any team will obviously miss its main contributor but this doesnt mean that this player carries the team week and week out. Zlatan showed the whole world how he consistently carried both milan clubs to titles on his OWN.
 

Fred

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Oct 2, 2003
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and that, was exactly my point :)

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if you read what i said before, it clearly stated that defences worldwide are at an alltime low compared to 90ties.

worldwide includes europe.



also, zlatan never had an entire team with the offensive power as barcelona behind him, apart from that one year where he had to play on the side cause messi was central
The bolded part just shows your bias, making silly excuses for Zlatan and mistating facts. Zlatan for the most part whenever he started played central for Barca, come the last 2-3 months of the season, Pep found that playing Messi central was more effective than having the inconsistent Zlatan there. Because Zlatan was not hard working enough nor willing to play out of position on one of the wings, he dropped him and started playing Messi central.

Fact of the matter is Zlatan did not perform well enough to warrant him holding that central position ahead of Messi, which is understandable due to the gulf in quality between them.

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and you call my argument bullshit?? barcelona just like any team will obviously miss its main contributor but this doesnt mean that this player carries the team week and week out. Zlatan showed the whole world how he consistently carried both milan clubs to titles on his OWN.
I'd argue that Inter were a better team when Zlatan left, not only did they continue winning scudetto's without him, they actually won the CL too. Barca became a better team without him too.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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The bolded part just shows your bias, making silly excuses for Zlatan and mistating facts. Zlatan for the most part whenever he started played central for Barca, come the last 2-3 months of the season, Pep found that playing Messi central was more effective than having the inconsistent Zlatan there. Because Zlatan was not hard working enough nor willing to play out of position on one of the wings, he dropped him and started playing Messi central.

Fact of the matter is Zlatan did not perform well enough to warrant him holding that central position ahead of Messi, which is understandable due to the gulf in quality between them.

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I'd argue that Inter were a better team when Zlatan left, not only did they continue winning scudetto's without him, they actually won the CL too. Barca became a better team without him too.

you are free to argue that point, but you cant argue the point that Zlatan was the reason the milanese clubs won antyhing during his tenure, which is the point made here
 

napoleonic

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Sep 7, 2010
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I'd say that messi = ronaldo 9 = arsenal henry, at their prime they are on similar level.

why, because play style wise I see they are remarkably similar, fast, capable of dribbling and scores... I'd say they aren't my favorite type of players play style wise... I'd take prime zidane, del piero, totti, bergkamp and ronaldinho than the former group of players, this 2nd group of players have that genius thing, capable of doing things unexpected.

cr7 is somewhere between that 2 groups, while zlatan is actually closer to the 2nd group than the 1st.
 

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