So Who Should Play for the Azzurri? (8 Viewers)
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I heard Camo say once on an interview that he knows the anthem but feels that if he sang it, it would not feel right, as he feels Argentinian and Italian, and is proud of his argentinian background and doesn't want to disrespect it.
I'm not arguing for or against him playing for Italy though, I believe that if the country says: you can have an Italian passport or citizenship, then that is enough for the National team.
I think Italy called for him first, and since he's been in Italy for quite some time, though it might be better for his career, as we don't have many good wingers to replace him
For every person its a different story, as some may change nationality to benefit themselves, while others choose to keep another nationality out of pride.
For example, I was born in London, to two Maltese parents, i lived in London for 10 years, while i've lived in Malta for 8 years. My mother's mother was of Italian descendancy, while my mother's father was of French descendancy. Despite this mixture, i still feel 100% Maltese, as i was brought up in a Maltese way, and since both my parents are Maltese.
Then there are occasions when footballers change nationality in order to benefit their career, for example Udo Nwoko, he is a Nigerian but he plays for Malta, he probably did this for two reasons: to play more with the national team as he has a better chance of getting into the team, and also it is easier to move to a club abroad since he would have an EU passport. In fact this player is playing in Portugal at the moment with Leixões. He was also close to moving to Reading in January, something that might not have been possible with a Nigerian passport.
As Sal said, there is no definite definition of who is eligible, but i believe that if the Government/country allow you to have a passport and be a citizen, then you can play for the national team, and if you have duel citizenship, you have to decide what is best for you, and if the country wants you.
I'm not arguing for or against him playing for Italy though, I believe that if the country says: you can have an Italian passport or citizenship, then that is enough for the National team.
I think Italy called for him first, and since he's been in Italy for quite some time, though it might be better for his career, as we don't have many good wingers to replace him
For every person its a different story, as some may change nationality to benefit themselves, while others choose to keep another nationality out of pride.
For example, I was born in London, to two Maltese parents, i lived in London for 10 years, while i've lived in Malta for 8 years. My mother's mother was of Italian descendancy, while my mother's father was of French descendancy. Despite this mixture, i still feel 100% Maltese, as i was brought up in a Maltese way, and since both my parents are Maltese.
Then there are occasions when footballers change nationality in order to benefit their career, for example Udo Nwoko, he is a Nigerian but he plays for Malta, he probably did this for two reasons: to play more with the national team as he has a better chance of getting into the team, and also it is easier to move to a club abroad since he would have an EU passport. In fact this player is playing in Portugal at the moment with Leixões. He was also close to moving to Reading in January, something that might not have been possible with a Nigerian passport.
As Sal said, there is no definite definition of who is eligible, but i believe that if the Government/country allow you to have a passport and be a citizen, then you can play for the national team, and if you have duel citizenship, you have to decide what is best for you, and if the country wants you.
Gaining a citizenship and actually having the nationality at birth are two different things to me. To you, it isn't. Simple. salman got this one perfectly in his post, you state your opinion, I state mine and we could keep going on forever. If Amauri is selected for the national team I have no option but to support him, even if he turns out to be shit.
Ok if thats your solution..would you like it if an Mongolian who has stayed in Mongolia a large chunk of his life,Was born in Mongolia,has Mongolian parents and Mongolian ancestory,becomes a citizen of the US because he marries a US woman(correct me if im wrong,but that makes a person eligible for US citizenship,no?) or stays in the US for some years of his professional career,ending up becoming a citizen of the US..and then opts to play for the US national team instead of the Mongolian NT simply because the US NT offers him a better opportunity?
You might accept him perhaps,but there will a large chunk of people who wont accept him.
The same thing applies to Azzuri fans.Dont get me wrong,i think both Camoranesi and Amauri shouldnt be allowed to play for Italy,but the 'If a person has a country's nationalaity' solution may sound logical,but there will be millions of people who wont accept this.
You cannnot have a solution to this problem that will make all parties happy.It was always remain a very controversial issue.
You might accept him perhaps,but there will a large chunk of people who wont accept him.
The same thing applies to Azzuri fans.Dont get me wrong,i think both Camoranesi and Amauri shouldnt be allowed to play for Italy,but the 'If a person has a country's nationalaity' solution may sound logical,but there will be millions of people who wont accept this.
You cannnot have a solution to this problem that will make all parties happy.It was always remain a very controversial issue.
If Kaka didn't play for Brazil until now and he was offered an Italian passport and a chance to play for the Italian NT at the EURO i'm sure every single one of those who don't want Amauri, would have been pleased to have Kaka and they'd have found all kinds of reasons to convince us that Kaka is eligible to play for Italy.
Again, you're trying to use the foolish blood argument and heritage argument as what constitutes someone's nation. Gentile did not have Italian citizenship at birth because he was born in Libya. Therefore, your nationality at birth argument is void.
I would absolutely take him on our national team if he's good. Afterall, we are a nation of immigrants, so if I don't include him in the national team I must speak out against all the other people who have came here for various reasons, including Freddy Adu. He is a US citizen now and can play for the national team.
This is the only solution. If not, then football will always be a world of hypocrisy and you'll still have players playing for the wrong teams anyway.
And national teams don't pay wages, so people should stop comparing my solution to club football.
Of course they would. But they won't admit it because many Azzurri fans are utter hypocrites.
No it's not another version of club football. NT's don't pay bloody wages. And you should be supporting the US anyway.
I would absolutely take him on our national team if he's good. Afterall, we are a nation of immigrants, so if I don't include him in the national team I must speak out against all the other people who have came here for various reasons, including Freddy Adu. He is a US citizen now and can play for the national team.
This is the only solution. If not, then football will always be a world of hypocrisy and you'll still have players playing for the wrong teams anyway.
And national teams don't pay wages, so people should stop comparing my solution to club football.
Of course they would. But they won't admit it because many Azzurri fans are utter hypocrites.
No it's not another version of club football. NT's don't pay bloody wages. And you should be supporting the US anyway.