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Zlatan

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Personally I think it takes a better person to be able to say that they've done those things and been through them.

For example drugs. Its extremely easy to have an opinion on drugs, but you can really only see 1 side of the coin, if you've never tried them. Now I aint saying anyone should infact, its probably the stupiest thing you can do, but for those who have done them, and who came through it they have a more objective opinion. Because they know what it is like, its so easy to take the moral high-ground without having a clue of what its like to be on drugs.

Why did those people start taking up drugs in the first place? It was their choice to start doing drugs. Why should I need to know what it's like to be on drugs, do you need to try shit to know it tastes bad?

IMO people who take up drugs are looking to escape from themselves. They want to feel something else and be someone else, because they are insecure in themselves. Thats how I see it anyway.

Why shoudl i do drugs. I like myself the way I am. I dont need anything else to help me be cooler, or have more fun, or be like someone else. I'm secure enough that I am self sufficient.

And I never feel bad for anyone who dies of an overdose or a drug related problem. Their choice, their proble, who the fvck made the do it.
 

swag

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++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++
Personally I think it takes a better person to be able to say that they've done those things and been through them.

For example drugs. Its extremely easy to have an opinion on drugs, but you can really only see 1 side of the coin, if you've never tried them. Now I aint saying anyone should infact, its probably the stupiest thing you can do, but for those who have done them, and who came through it they have a more objective opinion. Because they know what it is like, its so easy to take the moral high-ground without having a clue of what its like to be on drugs.
It's the priest giving marital advice problem. So I definitely agree on the value of the "experimentalist" viewpoint.

But by the same token, giving in to peer pressure/expectations or temptation (for things you know won't end up being good for you in the end, like a bad girlfriend on crack) doesn't really take much courage at all... Nobody takes up smoking cigarettes, for example, because they want to come to where the flavor is.

So I wouldn't necessarily say it takes a better person per se. Just maybe a more learned person who managed to through that themselves and gained some wisdom in the process. They found a way to correct their mistakes while others perhaps avoided them in the first place.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Why did those people start taking up drugs in the first place? It was their choice to start doing drugs. Why should I need to know what it's like to be on drugs, do you need to try shit to know it tastes bad?

IMO people who take up drugs are looking to escape from themselves. They want to feel something else and be someone else, because they are insecure in themselves. Thats how I see it anyway.

Why shoudl i do drugs. I like myself the way I am. I dont need anything else to help me be cooler, or have more fun, or be like someone else. I'm secure enough that I am self sufficient.

And I never feel bad for anyone who dies of an overdose or a drug related problem. Their choice, their proble, who the fvck made the do it.
sounds like something I could say..
 

Dragon

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Apr 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++



Why did those people start taking up drugs in the first place? It was their choice to start doing drugs. Why should I need to know what it's like to be on drugs, do you need to try shit to know it tastes bad?

IMO people who take up drugs are looking to escape from themselves. They want to feel something else and be someone else, because they are insecure in themselves. Thats how I see it anyway.

Why shoudl i do drugs. I like myself the way I am. I dont need anything else to help me be cooler, or have more fun, or be like someone else. I'm secure enough that I am self sufficient.

And I never feel bad for anyone who dies of an overdose or a drug related problem. Their choice, their proble, who the fvck made the do it.
I agree
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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It's the priest giving marital advice problem. So I definitely agree on the value of the "experimentalist" viewpoint.

But by the same token, giving in to peer pressure/expectations or temptation (for things you know won't end up being good for you in the end, like a bad girlfriend on crack) doesn't really take much courage at all... Nobody takes up smoking cigarettes, for example, because they want to come to where the flavor is.

So I wouldn't necessarily say it takes a better person per se. Just maybe a more learned person who managed to through that themselves and gained some wisdom in the process. They found a way to correct their mistakes while others perhaps avoided them in the first place.
Perhaps better wasnt the right term for it.

Thats kinda what I mean though, people take up things like drugs for different reasons, its there choice and no-one really has the right to condemn them for that, of course it tends to end bad alot of the time. It just annoys me so many people believe they are right on the issue of drugs, that all people on them are weak people. Alot of people are merely in it for an experience, something new, you cant blame people for that it just happens that drugs have to be one of the more addictive substances you can try which is where the problem is. No-one geninely wants to be a drug-addict, but its something thats incredible hard to get off, and instead of help that alot need most people are too quick and too willing to say "well, its there own fault, let them get out of it themselves".

All I am really trying to say is that, is so easy to judge someone who has taken drugs, when you dont know how hard it is to stop doing it once you start, until you do, whilst of course your still entitled to an opinion just to reconise at least that you can only see your side and try to put yourself in someone else's shoes.
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++

What is it like? And why should I know what its like?
Dont Zlatan, never try them. I aint saying you should, in fact I respect the fact you've never done them when you could of. Just dont be so quick to judge those who have.
 

Zlatan

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Jun 9, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Nicole ] ++

All I am really trying to say is that, is so easy to judge someone who has taken drugs, when you dont know how hard it is to stop doing it once you start, until you do, whilst of course your still entitled to an opinion just to reconise at least that you can only see your side and try to put yourself in someone else's shoes.

If it's so hard to stop why did they start in the first place?
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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If it's so hard to stop why did they start in the first place?
Being curious, wanting to experience something you never have.

You can be told 100 times that drugs are addictive and they'll **** your life up, but people only ever learn by doing something, and making their own mistakes.
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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Being curious, wanting to experience something you never have.

You can be told 100 times that drugs are addictive and they'll **** your life up, but people only ever learn by doing something, and making their own mistakes.
Heres something to think about- You can apply the same thing to drugs, hypothetically, to murder, or incest, or auto-genital mutilation.

Why do you think people respond differently to these three things than to drugs?
 

nedved34

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Oct 3, 2002
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Dont Zlatan, never try them. I aint saying you should, in fact I respect the fact you've never done them when you could of. Just dont be so quick to judge those who have.
first you argued with me when I said it's pathetic when someone tells he/she is on pills proudly,and that it's cool.. and now you advise him not to try.. :rolleyes:
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++
Heres something to think about- You can apply the same thing to drugs, hypothetically, to murder, or incest, or auto-genital mutilation.

Why do you think people respond differently to these three things than to drugs?
Drugs is something you do to yourself, whereas what you said are to other people, but your right some people probably do that because of those reasons, but they rightiful belong in jail. Drugs is self-destructive and only hurts the person who does them, whereas murder obviously affects alot more people.

@ Snoopy: No snoop, I said you shouldnt judge anyone on it.
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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Drugs is self-destructive and only hurts the person who does them, whereas murder obviously affects alot more people.
Not necessarily. If you leave on your own, in stark isolation then that's probably true. If you're a parent on the other hand.. and there is potentially much more to fill the space between those extremes.
 

Nicole

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Sep 16, 2004
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True, but I can only talk from my own experiences, I dont really want to get into what it could be like if you were a parent because it would all be assumptions on my part and I couldnt do justice to the argument.

I can say what my opinion is on it, if people want to try drugs, then it should only affect them, IMO its wrong when it starts to affect other people, like family or a child.
 

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