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Dragon

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Apr 24, 2003
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What I think about this:

Alcohol- I started drinking just to try it, Ive never been the person whos always throwing up and really ****ed up because I know my limits. I could also be the person that was able to go out one night without a drop of alcohol and still have the best time ever. This past two years Ive started drinking hardcore, every weekend, and sometimes every day of the week but mondays. Why did I do it? I guess I became addicted. Like three months ago I realised that I couldnt be away from alcohol and that Id get kinda alcohol cravings so I decided to stop drinking. The fun that I have when Im drunk and when Im not drunk is basically the same for me because being drunk doesnt make me do things I wouldnt do while sober or become more deshinibited (sp?) like some people. I dont think theres nothing wrong with drinking as long as it doesnt affect other people. I just hope I wont get too hooked on it and have to end up at a rehab center

Drugs - Ive always been against drugs but never judged the people who does them. I guess Ive been somehow blessed and have had a life almost without problems, and everytime I have a big problem my outlet is just going out, thinking of something different, trying to fix it, but I know lots of peoples that have had problems way worse than mine and maybe their way of making themselves better was recurring to drugs. Do I think it sucks that they made that choice? Yes. Will I blame them/judge them? No, because every person is a different world and theyll probably have their excuses for doing it. I just think it really sucks when I see people like one friend of mine thats completely hooked and if he doesnt smoke his mood changes radically
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
I have a message to all these lovely little people who deem themselves to be of greater value than the rest of us for their appareant mistake-free past and who seem to think they possess the right to judge other people:

**** off. Who the hell do you think you are? God himself? You're lucky this is an internet forum, in real life, I'd bite your ****ing heads off.

Oh, and one more thing: if you haven't made a certain mistake you SURE AS HELL do not know why anyone else would make it and there is NEVER one universal reason why people do certain things. So you can quit your stereotyping, generalising fingerpointing right there. I expected better from you, Zlatan and Josh, than to suddenly generalise a large group of people apparently only because it's easy but probably more likely because it allows you to feel better about yourself. Quit it. You know the world is not that simple.
Wow. Erik you know I love you man. Apparently Im one of the people involved in this category lemme make a few things clear.

I have no problem with people who have "experimented". I dont view them as inferior and dont recall having insulted them. While I disagree with what they are doing, I blame it not on them but on their conditioning factors.

I do have a problem with people somehow viewing it as something respectable or honorable, a rite of passage, even. Yeah, me and some friends skipped prom and celebrated on my deck, and we got the hose out beforehand. Looking back it wasnt exactly responsible.

Im aware that a lot of people think its "cool" and it somehow has "social status". You watch TV nowadays? Would you tell me that is not the case? Do you see the effect it has on impressionable kids?

Im fully aware that you arent proud of your past and arent celebrating it, or using it to sound like an "exciting, interesting person", but for every one of you, there are 100 of those other people. And my disagreement goes to those.

And yes, Im fully aware that I sound like my grandfather. :D
 

Dragon

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Apr 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Elnur_E65 ] ++
Wow Fabi, that's the longest post by you I've ever seen...

You must have a strong opinion on this matter :D
Ive had longer!

I dont have a strong opinion but after ten pages of information I couldnt summarize everything in two lines
 

juventus2

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Jul 6, 2004
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I don't know about other drugs, but alcohol is just an easy way to get self confidence. And even if it seem cool, self confidence can be achieved in other ways then drinking aswell, and people that depend on alcohol to have fun can easilly get adicted to it, and I from personal excperiences know that that isn't fun at all.
 

Layce Erayce

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Aug 11, 2002
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I think I might have been an alcohol addict lol. When I was in chicago all I did was whiskey and cola. That new lime-coke thing?

Ohh...We watched the entire NBA playoffs tipsy :D

The thing is, whenever my depression hit me, I went to the cabinet. If I lived there any longer I would have seriously turned into an addict. And then I would be posting on Juventuz drunk. Was that Andy who did that?
 

juventus2

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Jul 6, 2004
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You know what the test is for an alcohol addict. If you can't be without it for 6 months you are an addict, maybe not physicly addictet but phsycologial you are.
 

Dragon

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Apr 24, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by juventus2 ] ++
You know what the test is for an alcohol addict. If you can't be without it for 6 months you are an addict, maybe not physicly addictet but phsycologial you are.
Im sure I couldnt be six months without alcohol. Maybe a month but not six months
 

Martin

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Dec 31, 2000
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++ [ originally posted by Layce Erayce ] ++
I do have a problem with people somehow viewing it as something respectable or honorable, a rite of passageeven. Yeah, me and some friends skipped prom and celebrated on my deck, and we got the hose out beforehand. Looking back it wasnt exactly responsible.
Thats exactly what its made out to be sometimes and to me that is just the dumbest shit ever.
 
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Turdhead

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    Oh Im bad. I dont have a real reason for taking drugs. Not to stop myself from blowing my head off, beat depression or for 'social status' or some other stupid excuse. I just get high cause I wanna. Fvck it I like it so I might aswell do it.

    For those saying Im 'depressed'. No Im not, Ive never been depressed and thats through alot of shit. If I havent been depressed until now I never will be. I had a friend who was the depressive one so people assume I am too, though im not. Im just bored and dont care enough. Ive always been bored and I missed out on the motivational stuff so my ambitions are getting high and playing guitar. Ive spent weekends doing normal things like Zlatan and Josh, and Ive spent weekends alone in my bedroom getting high. I know which was better. Im not an addict, it hasnt fvcked me up too much and I can and do stop for long periods sometimes.

    Im perfectly normal despite the image on Juventuz. Im not a manic depressive who cant stop snorting coke. Infact in real life you wouldnt even know I take drugs and you would never see me doing it. Just another bored English girl.

    So big deal I take drugs, smoke and get on with my life. I dont kill people, I dont interrupt people, Im not rude to people and I dont annoy people or get in their way. Though they do to me because of an 'image'. Whos the idiots afterall? If thats something that annoys you or you think that gives you some reason to judge me or look down on me, so be it. I really completely and honestly couldnt give two fucks.
     
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    Turdhead

    Turdhead

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    As for Joshs little do it to be cool theory. Get real kid. Maybe in your play park. I live in London, we dont do things to be cool, we just find a scene that we think is cool.
     

    swag

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    More to Erik, personally I didn't see Zlatan's posting as claiming superiority at all over others who have made mistakes. I took it more that he didn't he didn't see the need to define himself by his transgressions.

    As for Josh's post, everywhere I've been I've encountered at least some subset of people who wear -- at least initially -- their alcohol or drug use as an attempt to define their individuality through the perception of rebelliousness.

    It's partly the adolescent trap: you grow up under the wings of parents or guardians for all your life to that point, and socially you need to define yourself as separate from that as part of the ritual of growing up. And suddenly, what your peers think of you becomes very, very important. In fact, more important at that stage than it will be for probably the rest of your entire life.

    And the way the adolescent trap works? You're a mama's boy if you get good grades, you don't skip class, you don't smoke, you don't drink, you don't do drugs. Socially, in a lot of circles, there is practically a stigmatism associated with that at an age where everyone's trying to define themselves as individuals separate from their parents ... and the rest of society for that matter. So rebelling against the conventions has an enormous attraction for some.

    But people do get into the darker paths of life for different reasons. Some because of a lack of self-esteem. Some to cope. Some experiment and they lose their way. Some a combination. But for all the grief that follows those who make mistakes (and rightfully may have earned the right to be rid of that, because we all make mistakes), it's also true that the others that don't make those mistakes often get only a fraction of the credit or social status for having the strength to avoid certain mistakes to begin with. If you're not tortured, it's not news and you're considered boring.
     
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    Turdhead

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    You have a real talent for saying simple and obvious things in a drawn out and over complicated way.

    Its never anything new and its never anything exciting. Please stop.
     

    Dominic

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    Jan 30, 2004
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    At Menace's request, my views on drugs.


    Drugs, as seen in this thread, always seems to be a touchy subject; Epecially as most people, concerning this subject are pretty ignorant. These, that don't see the difference between soft drugs and hard drugs.
    It's okay to me if you're against drugs, but at least know why. This last thing often being the main problem, concerning this subject.
    and thats often the problem

    Drugs are bad to so many people, simply because the name sounds negative. Drugs have become a taboo.

    Soft drugs(Marihuana etc.) aren't bad at all though. Particularly when compared to other DRUGS as smoking or alcohol. Though these latter two are accepted by everyone. Marihuana is harmless, anyone who has done it, knows it. While alcohol, for example, has a numbing effect, weed actually makes your brains work faster. The worst thing about softdrugs is, when taking it as a joint, the tabacco!

    I do draw a line between hard and soft drugs though. Though i'm not as easy and no offence, that ignorant to judge someone who does use harddrugs.

    And that's all I have to say about that.
     

    swag

    L'autista
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    ++ [ originally posted by Blandest ] ++
    You have a real talent for saying simple and obvious things in a drawn out and over complicated way.

    Its never anything new and its never anything exciting. Please stop.
    You're welcome, Claire.
     

    Menace

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    Apr 22, 2005
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    ++ [ originally posted by Dominic ] ++
    At Menace's request, my views on drugs.


    Drugs, as seen in this thread, always seems to be a touchy subject; Epecially as most people, concerning this subject are pretty ignorant. These, that don't see the difference between soft drugs and hard drugs.
    It's okay to me if you're against drugs, but at least know why. This last thing often being the main problem, concerning this subject.
    and thats often the problem

    Drugs are bad to so many people, simply because the name sounds negative. Drugs have become a taboo.

    Soft drugs(Marihuana etc.) aren't bad at all though. Particularly when compared to other DRUGS as smoking or alcohol. Though these latter two are accepted by everyone. Marihuana is harmless, anyone who has done it, knows it. While alcohol, for example, has a numbing effect, weed actually makes your brains work faster. The worst thing about softdrugs is, when taking it as a joint, the tabacco!

    I do draw a line between hard and soft drugs though. Though i'm not as easy and no offence, that ignorant to judge someone who does use harddrugs.

    And that's all I have to say about that.
    Exactly
     

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