since i'm 'back', re-intro. (3 Viewers)

[Martin]

++ [ originally posted by Tom ] ++


:thumb: I concur wholeheartedly.. ater a week at work only the promise of a good night out on the piss keeps my head up in the mornings. From experience the people that go out on the twon and drive/don't drink for whetever reason NEVER have fun. Never. They sit in the corner, whine about the loud music, moan that its crap in here, want to go home early etc. Its just not the same unless you're drunk. Sure you can have fun other ways but nothing compares to a great night out with all your mates.

So why can't you do that without alcohol? Aren't the people any fun anymore? Is it about getting drunk because you feel the alcohol or is it just about the concept of being drunk, whether or not you actually feel it?

I never actually get drunk but when I've had enough to start feeling it, it doesn't make my life anymore fun. In fact, it's less cause my head feels heavy, can't think as clearly, I'm having less fun..

 

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[Mr. Gol]

++ [ originally posted by Majed ] ++


In other words, escaping.

In a word, yes. But I don't see why that is such a bad thing. Of course getting completely wasted every day and drinking your problems away is a different story, but I don't see a problem with not caring about everyday life once in a while.

 

[Tom]

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
So why can't you do that without alcohol? Aren't the people any fun anymore? Is it about getting drunk because you feel the alcohol or is it just about the concept of being drunk, whether or not you actually feel it?

Why can't I do that without alcohol? Well as I said before I can have fun without alcohol just in different ways. Nothing beats for example a game of footy on the field near where I live with 10 or so of my mates, or a game of cricket.. or getting everyone round for a few games of FIFA on the PS2.

Actually going out on the town though, its my firm belief that you can only really have a good night if a fair proportion of you have had more than your fair share of alcoholic beverages. Conversation flows, you lose any inhibitions you might have had previously, you talk to random strangers as if they've been your friends their whole life.. its a great feeling and thats why I go out every weekend without fail.

People drink for different reasons, personally the only reason is to have a good time. Your last point could use a little clarification here, not sure I fully understand the question. At the end of the day its about feeling completely free within yourself and confident enough to go talk to the hot girls in the corner - whether I feel drunk or not is irrelevant tbh

++ [ originally posted by Martin ] ++
I never actually get drunk but when I've had enough to start feeling it, it doesn't make my life anymore fun. In fact, it's less cause my head feels heavy, can't think as clearly, I'm having less fun..

Yeah differne tpeople take to it differently. I know a few people that will always get ill before they get drunk.. so for that reason they don't drink. I don't know if you're like that, or perhaps you just aren't drinking enough. "Feeling it" and actually being happily drunk are two different things. I suppose it depends ont he situation and your mood. There are times when being drunk is the worst thing possible.

 

[Zlatan]

++ [ originally posted by jaecole ] ++


You're a good boy. You don't realise how much fun it is to get high and drunk. You've never even been drunk? How do you even know then?

I laugh at the people who say they can have fun without drinking etc, maybe. But not this 'type' of fun, you can't compare non-drinking/no drug using fun to drinking and drug use fun. It's nothing alike. I've seen the non-drinkers etc have 'fun' in clubs. That usually means they sit at a table all night. Hate it, have no respect for it or slam it, but don't pretend for a moment you understand it because you can't.

You are simply not a part of it therefore don't know any better. But you're right, on the outside it seems better not to. Personally though, i wouldn't miss out

Awww, well aren't you the man

 

[jaecole]

No that's it at all. I'm just not as ignorant as you.

 

[Zlatan]

So now I'm ignorant? Wow.

 

[Pete]

I love how Nicole starts these debates then goes totally absent from them.

 

[jaecole]

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
So now I'm ignorant? Wow.

Yes your posting on this particular discussion can certainly be considered ignorant.

And you're killing a serious discussion with sarcastic remarks and smilies. Moderator remember. Lead by example.

 

[Nicole]

++ [ originally posted by Pete ] ++
I love how Nicole starts these debates then goes totally absent from them.

Excuse me, exactly what the **** are you talking about?

 

[Pete]

Taco flavoured kisses for my Nicole?

 

[Nicole]

 

[Tom]

come on guys, lets not turn it into petty fighting.. its been a good interesting thread so far!

 

[Slagathor]

Back on subject: I understand it perfectly if people speak of something (be that using drugs or alcohol or something completely different) and say: "I feel no need to use it and so I don't."

What I can never accept is people using a stereotype ruler to measure individuals. It, to me, is the single worst thing you can do. Applying such assumptions and generalisations to an individual person. Especially with the goal of pointing the finger and feeling superior.

Someone makes a mistake, that type of people points the finger and goes: "I would never do that"

**** that. You have no idea whether or not you would have done that cause you were never in that situation!

 

[jaecole]

Well said.

 

[Zlatan]

Like I said, i've been in situations of doing it if I wanted to, but I chose not to, so it's not like I've been sheltered from all the bad in this world

 

[Nicole]

What I dont like also is the fact that one mistake can follow you forever. Say you are one of the people who used drugs, then people dont ever stop reminding you about it, and also expected you to fall into that cycle again.

Its quite sad, but like Erik said they just use these to make themselves feel better about there own lives "well i've never done anything that bad, so I am obviously a better person"

 

[jaecole]

You know rolleye smilies really kill your posts. 3 in a row, you are in a roll.

And I don't think he's talking about being in situations were you could if you wanted to but situations were you felt you needed to.

Kinda different.

 

[Slagathor]

Exactly.

Regarding your post, Zlatan, and how I interpret it:

++ [ originally posted by Zlatan ] ++
Like I said, i've been in situations of doing it if I wanted to, but I chose not to, so it's not like I've been sheltered from all the bad in this world

Nobody ever said that - at least I don't think so. And I'm not going to go ahead and say you must have had an easier childhood than I because you never made the same mistakes - that would be an assumption of the dumbest kind.

My point is that not having made mistakes no matter how hard your life has been still doesn't grand you the right to judge others. That is a right nobody possesses.

 

[Chxta]

BTW, where's Emma?

 

[Bjerknes]

++ [ originally posted by Erik ] ++
I have a message to all these lovely little people who deem themselves to be of greater value than the rest of us for their appareant mistake-free past and who seem to think they possess the right to judge other people:

**** off. Who the hell do you think you are? God himself? You're lucky this is an internet forum, in real life, I'd bite your ****ing heads off.

Oh, and one more thing: if you haven't made a certain mistake you SURE AS HELL do not know why anyone else would make it and there is NEVER one universal reason why people do certain things. So you can quit your stereotyping, generalising fingerpointing right there. I expected better from you, Zlatan and Josh, than to suddenly generalise a large group of people apparently only because it's easy but probably more likely because it allows you to feel better about yourself. Quit it. You know the world is not that simple.

I concur Erik, good post. People should not be so quick to judge.