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Here's the thing, hon- you dont need to take things personally. Im not gonna be a hypocrite and condemn people looking for approval when I did the same as a kid. But being a white middle-class little scenster in London just might be better than the "play park" that I'm at. People are typically ashamed to admit they have a need for social approval. They dont want to say "oh I started dressing like this, talking like this, doing this, because I want to feel like I belong".
Theres nothing shameful about it. And you dont have to admit it to me if you dont want to. The least you can do is admit it to yourself.
Theres nothing shameful about it. And you dont have to admit it to me if you dont want to. The least you can do is admit it to yourself.
What age are you? Calling her a kid etc, I bet you are younger. 'White middle classed little scenster'? lol. First of all she lives in kensington, second of all what can you possible know about the London scene?
To say Claire dresses etc like that to fit in dosen't make sense, her friends are like Emma, people she hangs around with and places she goes to are like that. Infact she dosen't fit in she sticks out.
You show ignorance by statements like that. And it's really annoying because it's simply the general consensus. The same old crap over and over. It's discriminatory actually, that you feel the right to tell someone to accept themselves as something because of a 'style' or a look. Thats the problem really. Don't you see the problem with that?
To say Claire dresses etc like that to fit in dosen't make sense, her friends are like Emma, people she hangs around with and places she goes to are like that. Infact she dosen't fit in she sticks out.
You show ignorance by statements like that. And it's really annoying because it's simply the general consensus. The same old crap over and over. It's discriminatory actually, that you feel the right to tell someone to accept themselves as something because of a 'style' or a look. Thats the problem really. Don't you see the problem with that?
My two cents:
I think I'm going to have to categorise this argument without making any generalisations. Erik, Claire, Nicole and whoever else have made mistakes for whatever reasons, are all frankly irrelevant. Its not making a mistake that is the problem (we all do), its how we choose to deal with the consequences. Thats where I'd draw on Josh, Zlatan's and Swag's arguments. For better or worse, everybody in life has to go through a phase that could be termed as their lowest point. But to be honest, I think thats the most defining moment of our lives. Its what we make of it to from there. Thats what actually defines who we really are. My personal take on drugs and alcohol (I drink, dont smoke, dont do drugs) expose us to a weaker side, which all of us have. That weaker side unfortunately exposes us to a lot more than what we know. And takes us further away from who we can be. If we face rejection or peer pressure, and we take to these things just to overcome our pain, it doesnt do any good. Because, its merely forcing us to believe that everything is wrong with us, when that may not necessarily be the case. Not to mention, its also the easier, more convenient way out. Its an attitude. I'd think it to be a lot harder to fight back, to stand for your individuality, which in all honesty is not something Id consider tangible.
I think I'm going to have to categorise this argument without making any generalisations. Erik, Claire, Nicole and whoever else have made mistakes for whatever reasons, are all frankly irrelevant. Its not making a mistake that is the problem (we all do), its how we choose to deal with the consequences. Thats where I'd draw on Josh, Zlatan's and Swag's arguments. For better or worse, everybody in life has to go through a phase that could be termed as their lowest point. But to be honest, I think thats the most defining moment of our lives. Its what we make of it to from there. Thats what actually defines who we really are. My personal take on drugs and alcohol (I drink, dont smoke, dont do drugs) expose us to a weaker side, which all of us have. That weaker side unfortunately exposes us to a lot more than what we know. And takes us further away from who we can be. If we face rejection or peer pressure, and we take to these things just to overcome our pain, it doesnt do any good. Because, its merely forcing us to believe that everything is wrong with us, when that may not necessarily be the case. Not to mention, its also the easier, more convenient way out. Its an attitude. I'd think it to be a lot harder to fight back, to stand for your individuality, which in all honesty is not something Id consider tangible.
This isn't a knock on Claire or Emma, Jae. But you do realize that fitting in sometimes also means "not fitting in along with some other friends", right?
As a parallel example, marketers reap huge profits basically selling individual consumers with notions that appeal to their sense of personal uniqueness and individuality -- all the while essentially selling the same concept and the same crap to thousands if not millions of people on the same premise. "Be you, be unique -- drink Dr. Pepper ... instead of Coke." Yeah, you and 200 million other people with the same delusion, alright.
Or to put forth another example: the early punk movement in London, for example. What started as more of a DIY thing suddenly became a statement of rebelling against the conformity of society ... but doing so in a manner with everyone conforming to each other. Everyone wearing black leather jackets, sporting mohawks or colored hair, piercings, etc. How ironic is that? You're just replacing one set of standards for fitting in with just a different one.
As a parallel example, marketers reap huge profits basically selling individual consumers with notions that appeal to their sense of personal uniqueness and individuality -- all the while essentially selling the same concept and the same crap to thousands if not millions of people on the same premise. "Be you, be unique -- drink Dr. Pepper ... instead of Coke." Yeah, you and 200 million other people with the same delusion, alright.
Or to put forth another example: the early punk movement in London, for example. What started as more of a DIY thing suddenly became a statement of rebelling against the conformity of society ... but doing so in a manner with everyone conforming to each other. Everyone wearing black leather jackets, sporting mohawks or colored hair, piercings, etc. How ironic is that? You're just replacing one set of standards for fitting in with just a different one.
No offence, but I'm not asking for a lesson. And your examples aren't even relevent.
She has black hair and white skin (you know kinda born like that), she wears eyeliner.
So someone (and everyone will) automatically label her a Nirvana kid who is depressed and wants approval. That's a load of shit and an ignorant and uneducated statement.
It's a style, a look and I think a good one. Noone has a right to post what Josh did no more than I have a right to post something about a race or a nationality.
But maybe that's just my opinion and maybe Josh knows better.
She has black hair and white skin (you know kinda born like that), she wears eyeliner.
So someone (and everyone will) automatically label her a Nirvana kid who is depressed and wants approval. That's a load of shit and an ignorant and uneducated statement.
It's a style, a look and I think a good one. Noone has a right to post what Josh did no more than I have a right to post something about a race or a nationality.
But maybe that's just my opinion and maybe Josh knows better.
No. Simply highlighting how ridiculous it was for Josh to call her a scenster and tell her:
"And you dont have to admit it to me if you dont want to. The least you can do is admit it to yourself."
I guess he knows better than she knows herself. And why? Based on a photo. That's what I find retarded and ignorant and he has no place to make such comments about anyone to be honest. It's a common thing though.
That's kinda like if I called Italians fags because they had long hair. Same thing right? Maybe that will help you understand why some people would be offended and annoyed by such comments.
"And you dont have to admit it to me if you dont want to. The least you can do is admit it to yourself."
I guess he knows better than she knows herself. And why? Based on a photo. That's what I find retarded and ignorant and he has no place to make such comments about anyone to be honest. It's a common thing though.
That's kinda like if I called Italians fags because they had long hair. Same thing right? Maybe that will help you understand why some people would be offended and annoyed by such comments.
I saw Josh's post as really stating these facts:
Everyone, without rational exception, goes through adolescence trying either to run to or run from certain social groups in an attempt to socially fit in. Given that, there are two kinds of people:
1) those who acknowledge their teen self-esteem issues made them do things to fit in to some kind of social group
2) those who are in denial over it
Everyone, without rational exception, goes through adolescence trying either to run to or run from certain social groups in an attempt to socially fit in. Given that, there are two kinds of people:
1) those who acknowledge their teen self-esteem issues made them do things to fit in to some kind of social group
2) those who are in denial over it
Scenester 
Fvck me your lives must be pretty sad if you spend this much time online time talking hypothetical bullshit.
I look like that because I do. Sorry. I cant help it that my skin is white as hell, that I have black hair and that I look like a goth. Jesus should I dye it blonde and heap on the fake tan like most girls? That way then maybe I can be a cool scenester rather than one of those moshie scensters who is depressed and seeks social acclaim. The eyeliner, the hairstyles, I think it's cool. Everyone thinks its cool. Scene? Whatever there is a scene for everything even sad cunts like you can probably find one.
So stop with the god damn Claire, depressed, goth, scenester crap already. God its old, that ended with Burke. My life is much more simple. I only worry about simple things like when the smoke will leave my lungs so I can have another cigeratte.
Who the hell are you people to label me with all this? Bunch of fvcktards on a internet board? Jesus christ!!!
Fvck me your lives must be pretty sad if you spend this much time online time talking hypothetical bullshit.
I look like that because I do. Sorry. I cant help it that my skin is white as hell, that I have black hair and that I look like a goth. Jesus should I dye it blonde and heap on the fake tan like most girls? That way then maybe I can be a cool scenester rather than one of those moshie scensters who is depressed and seeks social acclaim. The eyeliner, the hairstyles, I think it's cool. Everyone thinks its cool. Scene? Whatever there is a scene for everything even sad cunts like you can probably find one.
So stop with the god damn Claire, depressed, goth, scenester crap already. God its old, that ended with Burke. My life is much more simple. I only worry about simple things like when the smoke will leave my lungs so I can have another cigeratte.
Who the hell are you people to label me with all this? Bunch of fvcktards on a internet board? Jesus christ!!!
Sorry but do you even understand what Im saying? That dosen't even relate.
It's simple. I don't see why you/josh/anyone will brand someone depressed/social retard/anything based on their looks.
I guess you have the same for body builders, cops etc? This can never end if it starts. I though you were much more objective than this, that's dissapointing.
It's simple. I don't see why you/josh/anyone will brand someone depressed/social retard/anything based on their looks.
I guess you have the same for body builders, cops etc? This can never end if it starts. I though you were much more objective than this, that's dissapointing.