Pirlo's situation wasn't a PK.
I guess De Ceglie's foul could have been a red/second yellow.
I guess De Ceglie's foul could have been a red/second yellow.
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It's not an excuse Hustini, if you don't get something you are entitled to in the rules of the game you are playing then why bother playing? If anything the missed chances are giving people an excuse to ignore this. They are not one and the same and shouldn't be reflective of each other, missing chances, lucky or not, doesn't erase a bad call. You get what you deserve, if you are not good enough to score you don't get a goal, if you win or give away a penalty you get that.
you are not entitled to anything - just because someone, be it Pirlo or DP, decided to fall theatrically in the PA, the rules of the game don't entitle you to a PK. Vast majority of the PK Conte's been crying about were 50/50 situations, at the very best, and far from convincing and today it seems was no different as it's mostly the same people who have been crying foul week-in-week-out who are again at it about PKs that supposedly should have been given - business as usual, basically.
If you wanna see a game where one team dominates entirely, scores a regular goal but it gets disallowed for a non-existent off-side and gets denied 2-3 PKs, take a look at Fiorentina-Milan, which also finished 0-0 (or, btw, the linesman who fucked Milan in that game was Romagnoli - the same guy from the Milan-Juve game
)... so, no, that doesn't happen only to Juve exclusively, contrary to popular belief here ... and, as much as Conte likes to think it is the case, the FIGC is not out to get Juve ... but then again, excuses are cheap to come by.
As for my trying to make Milan look like a shiny example, I think you should re-read my previous post.
If you wanna see a game where one team dominates entirely, scores a regular goal but it gets disallowed for a non-existent off-side and gets denied 2-3 PKs, take a look at Fiorentina-Milan, which also finished 0-0 (or, btw, the linesman who fucked Milan in that game was Romagnoli - the same guy from the Milan-Juve game
)... so, no, that doesn't happen only to Juve exclusively, contrary to popular belief here ... and, as much as Conte likes to think it is the case, the FIGC is not out to get Juve ... but then again, excuses are cheap to come by.As for my trying to make Milan look like a shiny example, I think you should re-read my previous post
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have to agree with TWW as Juve is overreacting here, imo. It's understandable why they may feel frustrated as the team's results in the second half of the season have been far from stellar but then again that was a very close call on Pepe and it seems DC got away with a RC too in this game. On top of that, the goal vs Chievo from a clear offside was just a week ago and Muntari's disallowed goal in the derby, right before that - no place to feel like a victim here and actions like this are only hurting the image of the club, something Milan was also guilty of by overreacting after the Milan-Juve game.
This whole game of playing the victim is only taking the focus away from the real culprit for the recent results and is not gonna solve anything. Anyways, the race for the scudetto is far from over - there's plenty of games left for points to be lost and won by any of the teams involved.
you are not entitled to anything - just because someone, be it Pirlo or DP, decided to fall theatrically in the PA, the rules of the game don't entitle you to a PK. Vast majority of the PK Conte's been crying about were 50/50 situations, at the very best, and far from convincing and today it seems was no different as it's mostly the same people who have been crying foul week-in-week-out who are again at it about PKs that supposedly should have been given - business as usual, basically.
If you wanna see a game where one team dominates entirely, scores a regular goal but it gets disallowed for a non-existent off-side and gets denied 2-3 PKs, take a look at Fiorentina-Milan, which also finished 0-0 (or, btw, the linesman who fucked Milan in that game was Romagnoli - the same guy from the Milan-Juve game )... so, no, that doesn't happen only to Juve exclusively, contrary to popular belief here ... and, as much as Conte likes to think it is the case, the FIGC is not out to get Juve ... but then again, excuses are cheap to come by.
As for my trying to make Milan look like a shiny example, I think you should re-read my previous post.
If you wanna see a game where one team dominates entirely, scores a regular goal but it gets disallowed for a non-existent off-side and gets denied 2-3 PKs, take a look at Fiorentina-Milan, which also finished 0-0 (or, btw, the linesman who fucked Milan in that game was Romagnoli - the same guy from the Milan-Juve game
)... so, no, that doesn't happen only to Juve exclusively, contrary to popular belief here ... and, as much as Conte likes to think it is the case, the FIGC is not out to get Juve ... but then again, excuses are cheap to come by.As for my trying to make Milan look like a shiny example, I think you should re-read my previous post
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The point I am making is not about specific situations or even to do with Juve, but replying to the idea that because you miss a chance it somehow makes a bad call go against your team less important. It doesn't of course. If Juve, Milan or whoever deserve a penalty or goal then they get that decision. You could miss 1000 chances but if you win a valid penalty you should have it, no questions, no feeling guilty or sorry, it's a penalty or a goal.
I know you wouldn't try to make Milan look like a positive example, that would obviously be totally ridiculous. Still, that hasn't stopped many other Milanisti, but at least it provides entertainment.
Question; you (and Alen) talk about all these 50-50 decisions that Conte is complaining about, yet we have 1 penalty in our given column (funnily enough it wasn't a penalty). So do you think that is normal? Would you find that acceptable that from 15 to 20 50-50 decisions you have been given 1 penalty?
That was partly my point. Even if most were indeed 50-50 (and I don't mean those situations when Pirlo or Matri threw themselves on the ground), it's still symptomatic how it's never a penalty.
When a ref really damages you in one match or two, you can talk about personal bias or bad day, but when 10 different refs refuse to give you a penalty even in situations when not many will complain if you do give a penalty, then it's not something that happens on individual basis. It's institutional.
When a ref really damages you in one match or two, you can talk about personal bias or bad day, but when 10 different refs refuse to give you a penalty even in situations when not many will complain if you do give a penalty, then it's not something that happens on individual basis. It's institutional.
We're not entitled to anything? Well, it's nice to see you take the FIGC approach at least
The point I am making is not about specific situations or even to do with Juve, but replying to the idea that because you miss a chance it somehow makes a bad call go against your team less important. It doesn't of course. If Juve, Milan or whoever deserve a penalty or goal then they get that decision. You could miss 1000 chances but if you win a valid penalty you should have it, no questions, no feeling guilty or sorry, it's a penalty or a goal.
I know you wouldn't try to make Milan look like a positive example, that would obviously be totally ridiculous. Still, that hasn't stopped many other Milanisti, but at least it provides entertainment.
Question; you (and Alen) talk about all these 50-50 decisions that Conte is complaining about, yet we have 1 penalty in our given column (funnily enough it wasn't a penalty). So do you think that is normal? Would you find that acceptable that from 15 to 20 50-50 decisions you have been given 1 penalty?
The point I am making is not about specific situations or even to do with Juve, but replying to the idea that because you miss a chance it somehow makes a bad call go against your team less important. It doesn't of course. If Juve, Milan or whoever deserve a penalty or goal then they get that decision. You could miss 1000 chances but if you win a valid penalty you should have it, no questions, no feeling guilty or sorry, it's a penalty or a goal.
I know you wouldn't try to make Milan look like a positive example, that would obviously be totally ridiculous. Still, that hasn't stopped many other Milanisti, but at least it provides entertainment.
Question; you (and Alen) talk about all these 50-50 decisions that Conte is complaining about, yet we have 1 penalty in our given column (funnily enough it wasn't a penalty). So do you think that is normal? Would you find that acceptable that from 15 to 20 50-50 decisions you have been given 1 penalty?
. I have been keeping tabs, out of sheer curiosity, on the games where Conte has been complaining vocally from the refs and he seems to think that Juve should be given a PK whenever one of their players happens to fall in the PA, hence my comment from above. Based on his reactions, I expected to see blatant PKs calls not being given to Juve but in reality they mostly turned out to be 50-50 situations, at best, except maybe one vs Parma, iirc. Sure, Juve had a good case in a couple of situations and should have had a PK for them but for the most part it's been much ado about nothing.This being said, you have to keep in mind that Milan also have had PKs not given to them, which cost the team quite a few points - the games at Fiorentina, Lazio and the one vs Napoli at SS could have been won by Milan had it not been for that. Instead Milan drew two and lost the other of those games. To an extent, this was compensated by the game at Bologna where Milan could have lost but poor refereeing decisions went their way for a draw. Naturally, however, people here register only the games where Milan got helped and call them thieves while the ones where the team was hurt remain conveniently unnoticed ... same is the case with Milan fans at their forums - what can I say, human nature at work
All in all, refereeing mistakes even out in the long run - Milan were helped in some games, but also hurt in others. The same goes for Juve - you may not have gotten a PK call here and there but didn't get some against you either or got a good goal not called against you or had a goal vs Chievo count even if it was offside and a clear goalscoring chance allowed despite the off-side vs Bologna ... and that's just from the recent games. All in all, however, those mistakes even out over the long run.
In the end of the day, the FIGC is not out to get anyone - be it Milan or Juve. And It is really unfortunate and counterproductive to start acting like the other team is stealing the championship - like Milan fans when milan was behind and Juve fans now - because that serves for nothing in the end, other than keeping the real problems of the respective teams away from the limelight.
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you bastards