Should Beppe Marotta be sacked? (34 Viewers)

baggio · Sep 5, 2012

They have outspent us because of 2010. But look at every season individually in the last three seasons, it could be said that we've outspent them in two of those three?

JuveJay said:

Thanks. Interesting reading. Wasn't Giovinco loaned out at 3.5m too? So might be a bit more outgoing.

JuveJay said:

Having the money to do better than a Bendtner. In the realm of a Dzeko. You dint agree with that?

JuveJay · Sep 5, 2012

baggio said:

I don't understand what point you are trying to make? Does it really matter if we've outspent them in the last two years? Does that then mean we have comparable buying power? It really does not.

When Mansour came in in 2008 they immediately spent £123m (€155m), and sold about £10m worth of players. In 2009 they spent £129m (€163m) and sold about £15m worth. In 2010 they spent £143m (€181m) on players and sold £21.5m worth. So at this point they've now got a squad of about 30 good players, too many really.

So you've got a situation where they have ended their bulk spending, where they now only really adding elements of quality to their squad (Agüero, Nasri, Javi Garcia) each season. The same as happened at Chelsea, and in theory what you will see happen at Juventus.

On the other hand Marotta is coming in at the same time completely overhauling the squad, to compete at a high level again. And you talking about how our spending is more than Man City's in the last two years? Our spending to build a squad is barely above theirs in those two years, after they were just adding to theirs.

We aren't even in their league for spending.

He was loaned for €0.5m in that season, then the next summer he was co-owned to Parma for €3m, which is where the confusion and €3.5m comes from. The summer after (this one) we bought the half back.

Sure, but money (assume you mean for the transfer fee) is only part of deals. Pretty much going over old ground.

PiN7uRiCCHi0 · Sep 5, 2012

Apart from the wages themsevles a club must also pay a tax on them.

And when the tax is heavy it can make the signing of expensive players practicaly impossible for a club who doesn't have the resourses of Man City for example.

Bianconero_Aus · Sep 29, 2012

j0ker said:

Damnnn

This had to be bumped!

Martin · Sep 29, 2012

Football finance discussions :weee:

Zacheryah · Sep 30, 2012

baggio said:

If you add wages, we arent even in the top10 of expenses

I also love the "its not like we didnt had the money"

really, smartass ?

cmon name a transfer we had to do the past years, and at what price and what wage

pretty certain you wont come up with one, were we could outpurchase the competition

our current wage bill, is maxing around what we can realistically have.

AndreaCristiano · Sep 30, 2012

Bianconero_Aus said:

Whose she?

Cronios · Sep 30, 2012

We are not the biggest spender in Europe, however, in the past 3 years, overall, we have become the biggest spender in Italy.
We spend the same, or even more, but on quantity, rather than quality.
In the first year Marotta came, that was marginally acceptable in order to rebuild, but last year and this year, we should opt for better players, rather than quantity.
Inter generally managed to grab better players with less money and they were never really good at this.
We are wasting too much money for mediocre players. Every year we hear that this is going to be the last year, we have to secure the numbers to compete for the championship and then we will start improvng our team.
And this year, there were no excuses, we were champions, entering the CL, we really had depth and youngsters for even more, Marotta has just reached his limits, he cannot go beyond that, a high class forward is smth that must find him, as he is unable to lure one!

Addng the fact that he is one of the worst sellers of the game and we must ask our selves, why we must, at this pont, keep acceptng this compromise.
Are we really as weak as we were when we could find no one better than Marotta?

Trequartista · Sep 30, 2012

Marotta is the best football director in Italy.

Zlatan · Sep 30, 2012

FFS Cron!

Asamoah, Isla, Pogba, Giovinco aren't quality and are mediocre?

There is no reasoning with you.

Nzoric · Sep 30, 2012

Cronios said:

We are not the biggest spender in Europe, however, in the past 3 years, overall, we have become the biggest spender in Italy.
We spend the same, or even more, but on quantity, rather than quality.
In the first year Marotta came, that was marginally acceptable in order to rebuild, but last year and this year, we should opt for better players, rather than quantity.
Inter generally managed to grab better players with less money and they were never really good at this.
We are wasting too much money for mediocre players. Every year we hear that this is going to be the last year, we have to secure the numbers to compete for the championship and then we will start improvng our team.
And this year, there were no excuses, we were champions, entering the CL, we really had depth and youngsters for even more, Marotta has just reached his limits, he cannot go beyond that, a high class forward is smth that must find him, as he is unable to lure one!

Addng the fact that he is one of the worst sellers of the game and we must ask our selves, why we must, at this pont, keep acceptng this compromise.
Are we really as weak as we were when we could find no one better than Marotta?

And we're unbeaten in 44 games. What more do you want?

Cronios · Sep 30, 2012

Trequartista said:

Then how come that every club owns him and we end up overpaying for the acquisitons and selling off for the sales?

Mer de Noms said:

I ve sad it a hundred times already, the performances are irrelevant to the transfer directors work.
It is not his fault if a player overperforms or underperforms, optimally used or misused.
The transfer director must provide the players we need, when we need and for where we need them, with the optimal ammount of cash spent.
This is where he is judged and his work ends when the championship begins.

So where is the finisher??
Borriello and Bendtner are mega-fails, the Giovinco fiasko ended up, with us losing cash to get OUR player back!
Not to mention failing to sell anything nearly half of the price he bought...

If Conte manages to beat the league, heck even the CL, kudos to them, the fact remains though that Marrotta has FAILED again and again to give us what we wanted the most!
If the players+coaches, despite the handicap make wonders, they should be commended, not Marotta for failing them.
Ex, when Neddy and DP were winning games, with their hand tied behind their back, because of Secco's Molinaro-like handicaps, ppl were still making the same error in judgement, i thought they should not better by know.
Heck, we were 7th twice in a row, since we got Marotta, i wonder how they still miss what really made the difference!!!

Trequartista · Sep 30, 2012

Who are you guys responding to?

The post above mine's is Nzoric's.

Salvatore · Sep 30, 2012

I thought you lot had given up responding to him.

Alen · Sep 30, 2012

Mer de Noms said:

1000 vcash that he won't reply to this

j0ker · Sep 30, 2012

Mer de Noms said:

45.

Trequartista · Sep 30, 2012

Salvatore said:

Responding to whom?

Nzoric · Sep 30, 2012

Alen said:

Of course he wont. Cron couldn't hold water if you wrapped him up in plastic.

Cronios · Sep 30, 2012

Zlatan said:

Pogba was a classy steal, steal, but classy!
Asamoah was great, but we should rather spend the 20 mil on a finisher imo.
Look what Inter and Milan got for Isla price, i am yet to decide on this one, if he is meant to become the Pepe replacement, then i understand the choice, however, i would still prefer one of our plenty SSs would be commited there and spend that cash to a finisher.
Giovinco was ours to begin with, Marotta made a horrible mstake to loan him out with the rights to buy his half for such a ridiculous price and without a clause to get him back for the same ammount, really terrible mstake that almost cost us the player and forced us to spend money to get our player back.
This is a loud proof of incompetence, you can hardly see a big team like us getting owned that hard, in such a pathetic way...
(not to mention the Melo incident)

And do not subestmate the Conte factor, under Ferrara Del Neri and the likes, the same transfers could rank us 7th, its not lke we have signed WC players from champons teams for pennies, we are investing large ammounts to sign the Asamoahs and Islas...
when you spend 17-20mil, you expect the player to deliver!
For ex. a fine transfer was Vidal, who was less expensive and maybe even better.
It is not that Marotta has gifted the club those 20mil from his pockets.
He spends and many times wastes our budget.

Its one thing judging the player, other thing judging the coaches work and a totally different thing the transfer directors work.
As far as i am concerned there are some fine lines in that. PPl here overabuse the quality of the player, the clubs financial status, or the coaches abilites to make a point for the transfer director.

For ex, whos fault is that Marotta has failed to recover the millions we have spent on Martinez, the player's?
The coaches? The board of investors? Or Marotta's?

Nzoric · Sep 30, 2012

That post is just so full of wrong it's incredible. You'd rather have one of our SS ( of which we have 2 ) play as RWB ? Fuck :lol:

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