Should Beppe Marotta be sacked? (40 Viewers)

[frzl]

just finished reading the entire thread. great stuff going on

What's the stroy behind Rinaudo, Traore, Motta, Andreolli, Pacienza, Padoin, Bendtner,Borriello......................

rinaudo: loan move for depth. mediocre player who was never used because we always had CBs available. 600k loan fee
traore: at the time kinda promising LB for depth in a postion we weren´t covered. 500k loan fee
motta: young italian. once very promising italy u21 captain. gamble which failed horribly . 4,75m fee iirc
anreolli: ??
pazienza: vital part in napoli´s 3rd place team while we finished 7th. signed for depth. wasn´t needed because our CM´s never got injured and giaccherini did very well. 0€
padoin: kinda stroke me as a conte signing tbh. hard worker and versatile. average squad player. imo too expensive: 5m fee
bendtner: just a big guy. something we didn´t have up front till now. free loan
boriello: nothing great but still conte played him ahead of quag and matri pretty much every single time ^^. marotta´s fault i guess. 500k loan fee

so let´s see... opinions differ but that doesn´t look horrible to me. martinez was horrible (although his heavy injury certainly didn´t help) but most of those signings were made for depth or relatively cheap gambles. better to have those guys in your squad than playing storari as CB when some injuries and suspensions get together...


another thing i don´t get: where is that "vidal agreed to join bayern" coming from? just because bild reported something and hoeness was pissed after we got him? i watched an interview with heynkes CLEARLY stating that there was NO agreement and no promise whatsoever. heynkes asked vidal if he would follow him to bayern and vidal was willing to take the next step. so bayern obviously was an option but nothing more... one of marotta´s greatest deals so far. absolute beast... it´s ridiculous to say that "everybody could have closed that deal". haters gonna hate


sacking marotta now would be ridiculous and stupid beyond believe. his problem this mercata was that he started out great and finished on a low. it seems that people already forgot about the great signings at the beginning at the transfer window...

obviously i´m very disappointed about not getting a top striker but it really looks like marotta couldn´t do much about it.
look at the names we got linked to:
higuain: not for sale according to mourinho
van persie: ~30m fee despite being on the last year of his contract. now earning as much as buffon, pirlo, vidal and marchisio combined
suarez: no bad boys
dzeko: not for sale. unfortunately city didn´t buy another striker
cavani: if anything only available for CRAZY money
llorente: willing to join. move denied by crazy president.
jovetic: 30m bid (gentlemens agreement) rejected. not sure if that´s believable...

so what should marotta have done? tbh imo it´s better to not buy a striker than to spend 10-15m on someone like pazzini or giroud. so whom would you have bought? and please spare me the "if he had offerd xxm for xyz earlier we would have gotten him. he was ours to lose". i really can´t hear it anymore. wild speculations, nothing more.

again: i´m as disappointed as anyone else because we missed out on the top striker but apart from that marotta did great. we needed all those players for depth (lol at people not wanting isla). one could argue that he didn´t do well on the selling front (and i kinda agree) but tbh i have no idea how to sell players like iaquinta and martinez ^^

//edit:
- great post red
- yes, marotta should really stop talking about top players... or stop talking to the media at all

 

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[juventino899]

I think to a certain extent he should be fired but I wouldn't say his signing are an embarrassment, Asamoah, Isla and Giovinco are all solid signings, Pogba-Lucio for free are all impressive.

He just always seems to make the same mistake with strikers, he leaves it till the last minute then goes for the panic buy

 

[Lapa]

I told you that you guys would be screaming for Dzeko.

You will burn in hell Cam.

 

[Boksic]

Can't wait for Moggi to dissect our mercato

 

[David01]

who cares about Moggi these days, he's a has been
he got us 10 years of glory and then almost 10 years of living hell

 

[Boksic]

who cares about Moggi these days, he's a has been
he got us 10 years of glory and then almost 10 years of living hell

I'm always interested in what he says. Most of the time when talking about our signings he has been correct.

 

[David01]

I'm always interested in what he says. Most of the time when talking about our signings he has been correct.

I'm interested in everything written about Juve
when you say as much as Moggi does you are bound to be right sometimes
do I have to remind you he was against Conte as coach he would have signed the Udinese coach

 

[Boksic]

I'm interested in everything written about Juve
when you say as much as Moggi does you are bound to be right sometimes
do I have to remind you he was against Conte as coach he would have signed the Udinese coach

true

I always thought he said Conte was a good move but said we wouldn't win the league.

Either way I always like hearing his opinion on the transfer market.

 

[David01]

yeah I guess I know what you mean the guy is a character but I don't rate his words very high
he looks more like an attention seeker to me these days

 

[B3N]

Of course Marotta shouldn't be sacked.

He's built a good team over a couple of years - one that has the potential to be very good for years to come.

People get too wound up over him talking to the media. Provided it doesn't influence negotiations, I'm not that interested in what he says.

As for the pursuit of the striker, not getting one certainly has to go down as a black mark against his name.

I didn't like Juve's position of just trying to sign whatever good player they could get their hands on, rather than appearing to have a clear idea of a type of player they wanted that they thought would fit well in Juve's system.

There was far less movement on the striker market than I would have expected (largely due to Real Madrid and Man City being inactive), so there were few opportunities there to be exploited, so not getting the 'top player', I feel was taken largely out of Juve's control.

The only opportunity Juve missed to strengthen their forward line, I felt, was Pazzini. He was clearly leaving Inter and was undoubtedly there to be got. I suspect Marotta thought Pazzini would still be at Inter in the last couple of days of the market and he'd be able to take him if all else failed. That would appear to have been a miscalculation on his part.

The other players that Juve were linked with and seemed to show serious interest in (Dzeko, Jovetic, Llorente) never really came onto the market and Juve don't really have the funds to make great offers that those clubs/players are going to feel compelled to accept, even if the player wasn't really on the market.

If you look at Milan signing De Jong (which is a very good move): outwith Milan's control, an opportunity was presented to them for them to make a move for a good player in a position they needed strengthening in. They did well to take advantage of it, but it is just luck that the opportunity was there.

Nothing really presented itself for Juve to take advantage of this summer - and I think it's safe to say that anything resembling a top player can only be brought to Italy just now when various things conspire in favour of the Italian club.

Moving for Berbatov was a sensible thing to do and it's a shame that didn't come off (though, with motivation being a key factor in the signing, if he chose to go to Fulham instead of playing in the CL, Juve may have dodged a bullet).

Not much to say about signing Bendtner. He's a pretty poor player, though not as bad as most people have portrayed him to be over the years. The only positive is that Marotta knows that he isn't a good player, so just seems to have taken him as a one year thing. It would have been worse to sign someone slightly better than Bendtner (Borriello) but on a longer term deal that could have burdened the club with an unwanted player somewhere down the line.

I don't agree with the Pazzini part, Red. I know you like his style, and think he'd do better than Matri for Juve, but I don't see the improvement as much to warrant another 9-11mil invesment. (and have three strikers more or less same level) Pazzini wasn't the answer.

It'd make sense for milan because they literally didn't have anyone (Pato hardly plays 2 games in a row nowadays) , but not for Juve.

 

[Inglip]

suarez: no bad boys

Im not saying we needed Suarez but that is lame excuse

 

[robbotis]

No, he shouldn't be fired.
I disagree w/ not bringing in a world class striker, but he shouldn't be fired.
His squad went undefeated last season.
Now, if Juventus fails to win the league, and fails to get out of the group stage of the Champions League...
Fire'em!!!

 

[Inglip]

No, he shouldn't be fired.
I disagree w/ not bringing in a world class striker, but he shouldn't be fired.
His squad went undefeated last season.
Now, if Juventus fails to win the league, and fails to get out of the group stage of the Champions League...
Fire'em!!!

He shouldn't be fired, but his contract shouldn't be extended

Conte squad was undefeated, marotta part in that is maybe around 30%

 

[Gep]

Beppe should be given the #10 shirt for being a legend

 

[frzl]

Im not saying we needed Suarez but that is lame excuse

well if they (marotta and co) consider him a racist (or similar) they have every right not to sign him imo. and i don´t want to start another suarez - evra discussion btw.

 

[only-juve]

Yes i want him fired, and not because of that last signing.

 

[Zlatan]

I think to a certain extent he should be fired but I wouldn't say his signing are an embarrassment, Asamoah, Isla and Giovinco are all solid signings, Pogba-Lucio for free are all impressive.

He just always seems to make the same mistake with strikers, he leaves it till the last minute then goes for the panic buy

It's always the same thing because the top player market is very, very small, so you depend on a lot of other factors.

 

[Hust]

Of course Marotta shouldn't be sacked.

He's built a good team over a couple of years - one that has the potential to be very good for years to come.

People get too wound up over him talking to the media. Provided it doesn't influence negotiations, I'm not that interested in what he says.

As for the pursuit of the striker, not getting one certainly has to go down as a black mark against his name.

I didn't like Juve's position of just trying to sign whatever good player they could get their hands on, rather than appearing to have a clear idea of a type of player they wanted that they thought would fit well in Juve's system.

There was far less movement on the striker market than I would have expected (largely due to Real Madrid and Man City being inactive), so there were few opportunities there to be exploited, so not getting the 'top player', I feel was taken largely out of Juve's control.

The only opportunity Juve missed to strengthen their forward line, I felt, was Pazzini. He was clearly leaving Inter and was undoubtedly there to be got. I suspect Marotta thought Pazzini would still be at Inter in the last couple of days of the market and he'd be able to take him if all else failed. That would appear to have been a miscalculation on his part.

The other players that Juve were linked with and seemed to show serious interest in (Dzeko, Jovetic, Llorente) never really came onto the market and Juve don't really have the funds to make great offers that those clubs/players are going to feel compelled to accept, even if the player wasn't really on the market.

If you look at Milan signing De Jong (which is a very good move): outwith Milan's control, an opportunity was presented to them for them to make a move for a good player in a position they needed strengthening in. They did well to take advantage of it, but it is just luck that the opportunity was there.

Nothing really presented itself for Juve to take advantage of this summer - and I think it's safe to say that anything resembling a top player can only be brought to Italy just now when various things conspire in favour of the Italian club.

Moving for Berbatov was a sensible thing to do and it's a shame that didn't come off (though, with motivation being a key factor in the signing, if he chose to go to Fulham instead of playing in the CL, Juve may have dodged a bullet).

Not much to say about signing Bendtner. He's a pretty poor player, though not as bad as most people have portrayed him to be over the years. The only positive is that Marotta knows that he isn't a good player, so just seems to have taken him as a one year thing. It would have been worse to sign someone slightly better than Bendtner (Borriello) but on a longer term deal that could have burdened the club with an unwanted player somewhere down the line.

Red, this is a fantastic post man.

Agree, agree....agree.

 

[The Pado]

Marotta is great at his job. Only idiots who don't like winning the Scudetto want him fired. Maybe some of the idiots should take 30 Million of their own money to buy one player and then see him blow out knee ligaments after one month. Who the fuck wants to pay $30-40 Million for a guy who is 30 years old and never played a full season without injury? For example, in 6 years at Arsenal, Van Persie play 1.5 seasons.

 

[Hust]

Marotta is great at his job. Only idiots who don't like winning the Scudetto want him fired. Maybe some of the idiots should take 30 Million of their own money to buy one player and then see him blow out knee ligaments after one month. Who the fuck wants to pay $30-40 Million for a guy who is 30 years old and never played a full season without injury? For example, in 6 years at Arsenal, Van Persie play 1.5 seasons.

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