Should Beppe Marotta be sacked? (1 Viewer)
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giovinco a good deal? 11 millions for his half and 3 fluke meaningless goals with horrid performance against any decent teams so far? on top of that giovinco was ours to begin with 
bendtner understandable but at the same time clearly shown the inability of marrotta and made us fans and the club rather embarrassed after all the promises and media hyped the top striker situation
80% conte's 20% marrotta's; give this squad to del neri, ranieri, zeman, enrique and we wouldn't have won the league! how could any of you not understand that?
bendtner understandable but at the same time clearly shown the inability of marrotta and made us fans and the club rather embarrassed after all the promises and media hyped the top striker situation
80% conte's 20% marrotta's; give this squad to del neri, ranieri, zeman, enrique and we wouldn't have won the league! how could any of you not understand that?
giovinco a good deal? 11 millions for his half and 3 fluke meaningless goals with horrid performance against any decent teams so far? on top of that giovinco was ours to begin with
bendtner understandable but at the same time clearly shown the inability of marrotta and made us fans and the club rather embarrassed after all the promises and media hyped the top striker situation
80% conte's 20% marrotta's; give this squad to del neri, ranieri, zeman, enrique and we wouldn't have won the league! how could any of you not understand that?
bendtner understandable but at the same time clearly shown the inability of marrotta and made us fans and the club rather embarrassed after all the promises and media hyped the top striker situation
80% conte's 20% marrotta's; give this squad to del neri, ranieri, zeman, enrique and we wouldn't have won the league! how could any of you not understand that?
Like for example the epl where they call us the most balanced team in the world after the chelsea game
del neri, zeman, enrique... offcourse serie c coaches arent in the league of a juventus champion
ranieri, is less good coach then conte, but could have won the scudetto aswel. just not unbeaten
20% marotta ? yeah, conte bought vidal, barzagli, pirlo and vucinic
and lets not forget pepe's impact in the first half of the season, and how good sub giac turns out to beoh, or asamoah, who was MotM for his first 3 games
all conte !
fool.
The sporting director and the coach's success is always a co-dependent relationship. A good coach with a bad director (ultimately a bad squad) would fail at winning anything. A good director with a bad coach will also end in failure. The failure will always be blamed on both and the successes too.
Mourinho made Branca look like a genius when branca is average. Barca's squad (I dont remember their director's name) is making tito look good.
Our squad would not have been as good if it werent for both Conte and Marotta.
Ranieri coaching this squad would play the boring 4-4-2 and would probably fail. Conte would probably have not had the kind of depth and working rotation system if Galliani was our director. Its a mutually dependent relationship.
Mourinho made Branca look like a genius when branca is average. Barca's squad (I dont remember their director's name) is making tito look good.
Our squad would not have been as good if it werent for both Conte and Marotta.
Ranieri coaching this squad would play the boring 4-4-2 and would probably fail. Conte would probably have not had the kind of depth and working rotation system if Galliani was our director. Its a mutually dependent relationship.
Yes, we are an embarrsement !
Like for example the epl where they call us the most balanced team in the world after the chelsea game
del neri, zeman, enrique... offcourse serie c coaches arent in the league of a juventus champion
ranieri, is less good coach then conte, but could have won the scudetto aswel. just not unbeaten
20% marotta ? yeah, conte bought vidal, barzagli, pirlo and vucinic and lets not forget pepe's impact in the first half of the season, and how good sub giac turns out to be
oh, or asamoah, who was MotM for his first 3 games
all conte !
fool.
Like for example the epl where they call us the most balanced team in the world after the chelsea game
del neri, zeman, enrique... offcourse serie c coaches arent in the league of a juventus champion
ranieri, is less good coach then conte, but could have won the scudetto aswel. just not unbeaten
20% marotta ? yeah, conte bought vidal, barzagli, pirlo and vucinic
and lets not forget pepe's impact in the first half of the season, and how good sub giac turns out to beoh, or asamoah, who was MotM for his first 3 games
all conte !
fool.
if you don't feel embarrassed, good for you.
but that doesn't change the fact how bad marrotta was and still is at handling the entire situation, more on this later...
moggi was around when ancelotti was with us too, and we ended up with zeru tituli over 2 years... how about that too? our squad was arguably more complete at 1999-2001 than today; do you think it's fair to say that moggi was just as responsible as ancelotti? I think we all know the answer.
but arguing like that is going on circles.
now let's asses what is going on today.
do you know what is the biggest difference between conte and marrotta?
conte planned and prepared the team well; while marrotta had no plan... or maybe that is too harsh... better to say that marrotta planned but not good enough, not well enough but the worse thing is that he didn't seem to learn.
you see, the evidence is there and can be seen by all of us; the way conte managing this team is nothing sort of amazing, you can see it when we trailed 1-3 and 0-2 away at naples and london, or even when at worse moment when we lose at coppa final and recent fiorentina match.
the team didn't panic, the team played according to 'the plan', no sign of disorganized or bizarre play style like we once saw under ranieri, del neri, ferrara, and others.
you say ranieri could still make this team won the league? I don't think so.
and now we have marrotta on the other side, the man didn't think/plan long enough and didn't learn from his mistake.
you say vucinic? remember we were targeting aguero
vidal? remember IIRC actually conte didn't want vidal and leverkusen didn't want to sell vidal to bayern; also that no other big clubs interested in vidal; we would've been doomed if city or spanish team wanted him.
barzagli? bonucci? the same 2 men that leaked 50+ goals at the season when we bought them and played under del neri...
pepe? giach? same utility players that just above average but can't be expected to be world beaters, remember pepe also featured under del neri team and what happened? oh yeah
pirlo? he was deemed finished, we didn't expected anything at that time, did we? other clubs, especially bilan actually laughed at us; consider also that coaches like ranieri or del neri would've perhaps wasted him too.
matri? we all know he didn't and still not worth 18m price tag; he was panic loan with ridiculous option to buy contract.
borriello? bendtner? same case with matri.
asamoah? remember, nobody would've bought asamoah as an LWB! and that bring the memories that even cronios apparently forgot to repeat the broken record in his latest post, we still didn't buy any decent LB/LWB
despite the fact that our main LWB before asamoah is not sufficient and another fact than a CM did take the LWB spot over someone who played as LWB all his life is just shown how desperate we are for good players in that position. isla? he wasn't and still isn't a necessary player, the comparison to pogba and asamoah is enough to establish how unecessary he is; especially not when we could've got someone at the left side with his price.
giovinco?
no comment is necessary on the midget, just let's also re asses the borriello-bendtner situation... everybody in the football world saw that we needed proven goalscorers, they were all making all the buzz about it, but then our transfer director didn't get it enough in his mind, he went to the press saying about the names we all know now, and then he failed miserably, what's worse... he didn't have plan B, he only had plan P -that is, plan Panic- that barbatov fiasco? that's laughable, and then bendtner happened
cronios was right, a giroud class striker would've much better and much tolerated by any fans than what happened.blah blah blah... and the sell situation we all know, blah blah blah...
clearly marrotta is not good enough to handle the job, he's better at signing primavera or reserve class players with all these buoy, appelt, pogba signings.
That's because Milan are financially broke, you can't seriously compare Galiani ATM with Marotta (leaving aside our hate to Milan).
We were atleast among the top 5 spenders in Europe for the past years (Milan hardly even make top 10 on that list) plus they've just sold their best 2 players by far without replacing them.
Personally I think it's fair to compare our squad with a club that relatively spends close to us, that way we can really compare the two directors.
We were atleast among the top 5 spenders in Europe for the past years (Milan hardly even make top 10 on that list) plus they've just sold their best 2 players by far without replacing them.
Personally I think it's fair to compare our squad with a club that relatively spends close to us, that way we can really compare the two directors.
Yes it is, Conte really is that special.
And it was the board's decision to hire Conte, not Marotta, it may was his task to make this happen, but we didnt have to negociate for it,
mind you, if that was the case, he would have failed...again...or overpay...
How was Giovnco a good deal?? Because he is a good player, it doest mean he was a good deal, it is unaccpetable to lose money in order to get your player back, it is unacceptable to get peanuts for his half and gve half a fortune to get him back, his value was misjudged twice within a year, both times to their favor, both tmes we ended up losing money. And both times the error was because of our transfer director, who cant sell anything for a decent price, even his life depends on it and always overpays to conclude deals...
How was there noone in the market and every other time, including Arsenal, Roma, Inter, Milan etc etc, has found one paying less what we did for a sub?
This is where the money is wasted big time and that hurts us the most.
And the mojority of his goof transfers is overspending from our part. When we pay big time, it is expected for the player to work.
There is no commendaton to gain for just doing your job. EX Asamoah, a great player at high price.
You know what you get. For the transfer manager , the great move would have been to get him on cheap, not just spend a fortune and get him, everybody can spend a fortune and get anyone, even Secco, the important thing is how you do it.
Thats a tough question indeed, but there are candidades, starting from the ones they are keep owning Marotta in every transfer window...
Moggi deserved credit on the times he gave away peanuts and youngsters to buy top players or very promising ones.
He was a great manager because he was making money out of nowhere, by selling players we didnt need for great prices.
That and the fact that he was able to lure in, even the brightest stars, when we had the money.
He had everything Marotta doesnt have and will never will.
And yes the difference was Conte and the fact that under Marotta we have ranked 7th twice in a row prooves that!
And it was the board's decision to hire Conte, not Marotta, it may was his task to make this happen, but we didnt have to negociate for it,
mind you, if that was the case, he would have failed...again...or overpay...
How was Giovnco a good deal?? Because he is a good player, it doest mean he was a good deal, it is unaccpetable to lose money in order to get your player back, it is unacceptable to get peanuts for his half and gve half a fortune to get him back, his value was misjudged twice within a year, both times to their favor, both tmes we ended up losing money. And both times the error was because of our transfer director, who cant sell anything for a decent price, even his life depends on it and always overpays to conclude deals...
How was there noone in the market and every other time, including Arsenal, Roma, Inter, Milan etc etc, has found one paying less what we did for a sub?
This is where the money is wasted big time and that hurts us the most.
And the mojority of his goof transfers is overspending from our part. When we pay big time, it is expected for the player to work.
There is no commendaton to gain for just doing your job. EX Asamoah, a great player at high price.
You know what you get. For the transfer manager , the great move would have been to get him on cheap, not just spend a fortune and get him, everybody can spend a fortune and get anyone, even Secco, the important thing is how you do it.
Thats a tough question indeed, but there are candidades, starting from the ones they are keep owning Marotta in every transfer window...
Moggi deserved credit on the times he gave away peanuts and youngsters to buy top players or very promising ones.
He was a great manager because he was making money out of nowhere, by selling players we didnt need for great prices.
That and the fact that he was able to lure in, even the brightest stars, when we had the money.
He had everything Marotta doesnt have and will never will.
And yes the difference was Conte and the fact that under Marotta we have ranked 7th twice in a row prooves that!
Its because there is an error on the approach of judgement, Chelsea did overspend, ppl should not judge the transfer director, by the performances
of the coach and players, but by his work on the transfer market!
The transfer directors job could be flawless and the team's performance could fail miserably and the other way around.
Ex if a transfer director, buys C.Ronaldo and Messi for 18mil each and a team like Inter ends up 7th, it doesnt mean that he was in fault...
And do not compare what happens in the EPL, with what happens in Italy and esp with us, Marotta is obviously just a puppet...
and for that, i forgive him lethal mistakes, like hiring DN, but when he is called to make a job done, like hiring a finisher of our caliber and he fails that miserably, this is what infuriates me, this is unacceptable.
As for his average work, the proof of his incompetence is there in our every sale...
of the coach and players, but by his work on the transfer market!
The transfer directors job could be flawless and the team's performance could fail miserably and the other way around.
Ex if a transfer director, buys C.Ronaldo and Messi for 18mil each and a team like Inter ends up 7th, it doesnt mean that he was in fault...
And do not compare what happens in the EPL, with what happens in Italy and esp with us, Marotta is obviously just a puppet...
and for that, i forgive him lethal mistakes, like hiring DN, but when he is called to make a job done, like hiring a finisher of our caliber and he fails that miserably, this is what infuriates me, this is unacceptable.
As for his average work, the proof of his incompetence is there in our every sale...
Doing well has nothing to do with Marotta, or Bonucci, we could have done even better if better men where in their shoes.
They are our weakest links and i will criticise them as long as this stands, regardless of our overall performance, they are an obstacle on our path,
if we overcome that handicap, it wont be due to them, but due to the works of others who work twice as much to obtain less, because of them being a handicap.
They are drawing us back!
I will remain objective under any circumstances! Good or bad!
My judgement is not affected by irrelevant things, my job and life demands it.
Time will come again, that those two handicaps will play their hand (inability to score, or concede a crucial goal) and make us suffer.
I will not wait for that moment to pass judgement, the situation is already clear in my mind, considering their skills/abilities.
And the only thing that would change it, is their individual performance.
For ex, Bonucci stop doing those blunders and start making sliding tackles.
And Marotta stop overpaying and start making decent profits from our sales.
They are our weakest links and i will criticise them as long as this stands, regardless of our overall performance, they are an obstacle on our path,
if we overcome that handicap, it wont be due to them, but due to the works of others who work twice as much to obtain less, because of them being a handicap.
They are drawing us back!
I will remain objective under any circumstances! Good or bad!
My judgement is not affected by irrelevant things, my job and life demands it.
Time will come again, that those two handicaps will play their hand (inability to score, or concede a crucial goal) and make us suffer.
I will not wait for that moment to pass judgement, the situation is already clear in my mind, considering their skills/abilities.
And the only thing that would change it, is their individual performance.
For ex, Bonucci stop doing those blunders and start making sliding tackles.
And Marotta stop overpaying and start making decent profits from our sales.
You are not objective Cron, you live in some kind of fantasy world where noone can change your mind no matter how wrong your you are, and you are wrong here.
Being a (hopefully) intelligent and reasonable person, tell me what is more likely: that you are right and every one else is wrong, or the other way around?
Being a (hopefully) intelligent and reasonable person, tell me what is more likely: that you are right and every one else is wrong, or the other way around?