Shots fired at Montreal College - 20 injured (7 Viewers)

mikhail

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Jan 24, 2003
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Vinman said:
yes...but they do get out of jail (and too soon if you asked me !!)
Not normally one for police intimidation myself, but if someone like that threatened my family, my entire array of muscular 6' 4" relatives would pay him a quick visit one evening and explain the precise conditions the police would find his corpse in if etc. Much handier when you can explain that these are the same fine people who'd be 'investigating' such an issue.
 
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Jem83

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    Juve Bella said:
    he's the guy with the gun right ?

    he looks like a sick person
    he was..

    they quoted his blog: "i like pizza, video fighting games, guns and massacres".

    his motto was: "live fast, die young and leave at least one mutilated body behind".

    :(
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    Vinman said:
    Seven..thats a serious reach !!

    If a person has a criminal record, or has been diagnosed with mental issues in the past, then they shouldnt be allowed to get a pistol permit

    How many ppl who have pistol permits have actually used their guns in any illegal way ??

    the answer is very nearly zero !!
    Iran never used WMD's...

    The question is whether or not you trust your civilians with that moral choice. I simply do not. Even if you don't have any wrong intentions things could go wrong due to accidents or people being incapable of handling a gun.
     

    Seven

    In bocca al lupo, Fabio.
    Jun 25, 2003
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    Jeeks said:
    They say that tey get guns for protection. My theory is the danger comes at the same moment the gun enters a home. It IS the source of danger and there is absolutely no protection against it.

    As for the subject, may the injured get well and those who died rest in peace.
    Exactly. I even think more people get killed by the gun they bought themselves than by the gun of the guy that tries to rob them.
     

    Max

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    Jul 15, 2003
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    Vinman said:
    the black market will always be there...always !!

    Why shouldnt police be allowed to carry their guns off duty ?? Just imagine being with your family, on your own time, and bumping into someone you arrested, who is extremely violent (which actually happened to me...twice !!)

    It is my right to protect myself AND my family from someone who has already attempted to do bodily harm to me.
    No offence to police officers, but if some cops abuse their right to have a gun on-duty, why should they be able to hold a gun off-duty. Yeah sure, it's a given that you should protect yourself and your family, but by what means is a different story. What you're saying here is that everyone should hold possession of a firearm.
     

    Max

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    Jul 15, 2003
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    Don Bes said:
    isnt it much easier to controll police guns?
    Huh? Man, I don't know if you made a joke or what...do you mean literally control (ie. accuracy), or that a cop knows when to use his/her gun.

    When a police officer is off-duty, he's/she's a normal citizen who has the right to protect his/her family and him/herself, and now they're equal to everyone else. What makes it right that they hold guns and nobody else does, even though some people may have the same motive that he has: defense.

    Hence, nobody other than on-duty cops or government defense should have guns.
     

    - vOnAm -

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    Jul 22, 2004
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    #53
    Seven said:
    People shouldn't be allowed to have guns. The only people that I see that should be allowed to have guns are police men and professional hunters. I don't know why anyone else should be allowed to have a gun. The American laws about guns are a joke if you ask me. People think having a gun is their right (!). That may have been a good thing in 1900, but it's not anymore.
    Absofukinlutely agree.

    Seven said:
    Iran never used WMD's...

    The question is whether or not you trust your civilians with that moral choice. I simply do not. Even if you don't have any wrong intentions things could go wrong due to accidents or people being incapable of handling a gun.
    The US have used and tested WMD more than once. And yet the pressure is all on Iran.
     
    Jan 7, 2004
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    #54
    Max said:
    Huh? Man, I don't know if you made a joke or what...do you mean literally control (ie. accuracy), or that a cop knows when to use his/her gun.

    When a police officer is off-duty, he's/she's a normal citizen who has the right to protect his/her family and him/herself, and now they're equal to everyone else. What makes it right that they hold guns and nobody else does, even though some people may have the same motive that he has: defense.

    Hence, nobody other than on-duty cops or government defense should have guns.
    i mean control what cops do with that gun. you know registered and shit
     

    Vinman

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    Jul 16, 2002
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    Max said:
    No offence to police officers, but if some cops abuse their right to have a gun on-duty, why should they be able to hold a gun off-duty. Yeah sure, it's a given that you should protect yourself and your family, but by what means is a different story. What you're saying here is that everyone should hold possession of a firearm.
    what in gods name are you talking about ?? IF a cop abuses his "right" to carry a firearm on duty, then he is fired...plain and simple !! How many police abuses have you read about with police mis-using their guns ?? I can answer that for you- very infrequently !!

    And why doesnt the average, law abiding citizen have the right to carry a firearm and defend themselves if necessary ??

    I can speak from EXPERIENCE, unlike everyone here, and tell you that those arent the people popping rounds into people for the joy of it

    Max said:
    Huh? Man, I don't know if you made a joke or what...do you mean literally control (ie. accuracy), or that a cop knows when to use his/her gun.

    When a police officer is off-duty, he's/she's a normal citizen who has the right to protect his/her family and him/herself, and now they're equal to everyone else. What makes it right that they hold guns and nobody else does, even though some people may have the same motive that he has: defense.

    Hence, nobody other than on-duty cops or government defense should have guns.
    you are really talking out of your ass, Max

    I am a police officer 24 hours a day, seven days a week...whether I like it or not

    Police are NEVER normal citizens...we have the unfortunate luck of running into people at the most unopportune times who's freedom we've taken away....you think they respect us, even though they know their 1000% in the wrong ?? The answer is a big, fat NO !!

    Many of the people I've locked up are drug dealers, and other violent felons who DO carry guns...should I not have the right to be armed, knowing that they dont stay in jail forever, and that their gunning for revenge ?? Again. put your thinking cap on kid...the answer is YES !!!

    I have friends who are Metro Toronto cops, and I feel bad for them that they cant carry off duty, and they agree with me 100%

    It will take something bad to happen to an officer off duty for the liberal/socialist government of Canada to get a fucking clue

    and btw- Canada....more exact Toronto, is getting pretty violent
     

    - vOnAm -

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    Jul 22, 2004
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    #56
    Vinman said:
    what in gods name are you talking about ?? IF a cop abuses his "right" to carry a firearm on duty, then he is fired...plain and simple !! How many police abuses have you read about with police mis-using their guns ?? I can answer that for you- very infrequently !!

    And why doesnt the average, law abiding citizen have the right to carry a firearm and defend themselves if necessary ??

    I can speak from EXPERIENCE, unlike everyone here, and tell you that those arent the people popping rounds into people for the joy of it
    I don't agree with citizens carrying guns, even for protection. To me its like a countermeasure for the government's inability for wipping out smuggled arms and their black market, the inability to clean out guns on the street.

    citizen should be able to depend on the police for their fire arm protection. Policemen are specifically trainned when to use and how to use.

    I do however agree that Police should be armed at all times, I do believe that Police are their jobs, they don't really have off hours, only off duty.
     

    Vinman

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    - vOnAm - said:
    I don't agree with citizens carrying guns, even for protection. To me its like a countermeasure for the government's inability for wipping out smuggled arms and their black market, the inability to clean out guns on the street.

    citizen should be able to depend on the police for their fire arm protection. Policemen are specifically trainned when to use and how to use.

    I do however agree that Police should be armed at all times, I do believe that Police are their jobs, they don't really have off hours, only off duty.
    I understand where you're coming from, but Canada has gun laws, and this still happened

    I think that no matter what guns laws are enacted, the bad guys will always be able to get guns
     

    3pac

    Alex Del Mexico
    May 7, 2004
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    On the gun control issue, police arguably do require them, however I see no justification for Burke's AK47, for example.
     

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