a lotta neighborhoods in big cities are straight up shit holes. in philly, ny, chicago, baltimore, etc. you have the really nice downtown areas, the upbeat younger people neighborhoods, and the ghettos.
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This seems like a valid reason to own firearms. The Detroit Police chief agrees.
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/aug/17/police-guns-detroit-crime-race-cost-issues
Why not?
Mostly because our politicians have similar notions as this guy:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/aug/17/police-guns-detroit-crime-race-cost-issues
Why not?
Mostly because our politicians have similar notions as this guy:
Third world country city, and half the nation security wise is if this becomes the accepted rationale, nothing can be done about the huge stark violent issue so we everyone go get a gun and protect yourself? I mean reading this is just sad:
The city, strapped for cash, has only 2,300 police officers – unchanged from a year ago, before the bankruptcy, but still not enough. Many Detroiters feel they have to rely on themselves first for their own security and survival.
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So basically you are a extremely flawed and messed up nation of it its that common? Where's the balance and middle ground in the society, Ludicrous to accept the farce of wtf poverty and shithole violence, or extreme wealth. better off being a nation of boring mundane middle classhood then this shit.
The city, strapped for cash, has only 2,300 police officers – unchanged from a year ago, before the bankruptcy, but still not enough. Many Detroiters feel they have to rely on themselves first for their own security and survival.
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So basically you are a extremely flawed and messed up nation of it its that common? Where's the balance and middle ground in the society, Ludicrous to accept the farce of wtf poverty and shithole violence, or extreme wealth. better off being a nation of boring mundane middle classhood then this shit.
Here's an article that summarizes the reasons, in his view.
http://watchdog.org/96532/10-reasons-for-detroits-historic-failures/
In short, the auto industry collapsed and all Detroit had left was a lot of corruption, public workers, and massive debt. This is why you can't spend beyond your means forever. Detroit is a microcosm of the US as a whole (and is a good guide for what generally happens when you have big government).
http://watchdog.org/96532/10-reasons-for-detroits-historic-failures/
In short, the auto industry collapsed and all Detroit had left was a lot of corruption, public workers, and massive debt. This is why you can't spend beyond your means forever. Detroit is a microcosm of the US as a whole (and is a good guide for what generally happens when you have big government).
No, it's not. All of Europe has what you'd consider big government. All of Europe is also a lot safer than Detroit. Or LA. Or New York. Or Baltimore. The US is a deeply flawed nation and the right wing tries to spin it so that big goverment is the problem. Bad government is the issue. Doesn't matter if it is small or big.
Last time I checked, Europe's economy certainly has a lot of problems. Sure, we have more violence in the US, but that's due to a combination of factors. A lot of it stems from the war on drugs. Big governments usually run into trouble funding their liabilities since you can only spend what you receive in tax revenue in the long run, thus why we see countries such as Greece and Argentina with massive problems. In the US, big government is a huge problem since it is not only the Trojan horse for corporate special interest (such as bankers getting bailed out), but then the costs of running huge deficits are passed onto the middle class (both through inflation and taxation). So yes indeed, big government in the US doesn't work and needs to be curtailed.
You're missing the point. The problem is bad government. Socialism, big government, welfare state.. These are things that have worked extremely well for a lot of countries. The problems start when the syst starts failing. In Belgium I don't hate the welfare state at all. But I do hate how so many means are squandered.
Why is it a stupid argument? Do criminals break the law or not regardless what the law is? That's why they are criminals.
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I came here to debate but Andy already made the point that Europe is having its fair share of economic woes that pretty much closes the door on most arguments you folks have against US policies IMO.
As far as violence...its getting worse with the immigration issue you folks have there, as it is here too, and that is one of the reasons we crazy republicans here want to curb the immigration numbers so we don't get what you guys are getting there right now. Eventually you will have those unwilling to assimilate and pose their views in their communities followed by unavoidable clashes. You will find that kind of tension anywhere in human history.
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I came here to debate but Andy already made the point that Europe is having its fair share of economic woes that pretty much closes the door on most arguments you folks have against US policies IMO.
As far as violence...its getting worse with the immigration issue you folks have there, as it is here too, and that is one of the reasons we crazy republicans here want to curb the immigration numbers so we don't get what you guys are getting there right now. Eventually you will have those unwilling to assimilate and pose their views in their communities followed by unavoidable clashes. You will find that kind of tension anywhere in human history.
That I'd call forever the Chicago argument. Total gun ban total disaster? As if total gun ban has caused that "total disaster". How do you know crime rates wouldn't go up if owning guns was legal there? It's like saying capital punishment increases crime because look at Iran versus Denmark.
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In the meantime, police is everywhere on campus and we are asked to avoid the campus area after 2pm because apparently a nutjob has posted this somewhere:
http://i.imgur.com/VHvgXpj.png
And they are not able to find someone who posts something like that online? They should ask Iran for help.
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In the meantime, police is everywhere on campus and we are asked to avoid the campus area after 2pm because apparently a nutjob has posted this somewhere:
http://i.imgur.com/VHvgXpj.png
And they are not able to find someone who posts something like that online?
They should ask Iran for help.Andy has already noted that there are many other factors that increase crime, but since this is a gun argument thread, that's only one of them. Of course there are other reasons, hell, look at Baltimore. Police there are terrified to do their jobs thinking they will lose their jobs...so guess what, they are going through the motions in a gun free city that has seen a major increase in crime. Of course there are other aspects and most apply to many of these major cities.
The US' crime problems don't have much to do with immigration.
And the European economic problems stem from something much different, mostly aftershocks of the 2008 crisis and the idiotic austerity measures introduced as a result of that (which are exactly the opposite of what I'm arguing in favor of), as well as some fundamental problems within the EU mostly having to do with trade balances between individual countries, that didn't really cause much harm as long as everything was going well in the period of 2001-2008, but are now showing.
To your first parts, "criminals" aren't a seperate species, they're simply humans, and even though they're breaking some laws doesn't imply that they'll out of some reason break every law there is, which seems to be your underlying argument. In any case, nationwide restrictions on guns that are actually enforced would make it much harde (not impossible) to obtain guns, which would do a lot of good already.
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Also it's just a city-wide gun, which is much much easier to circumvent than a nation-wide one would.
And the European economic problems stem from something much different, mostly aftershocks of the 2008 crisis and the idiotic austerity measures introduced as a result of that (which are exactly the opposite of what I'm arguing in favor of), as well as some fundamental problems within the EU mostly having to do with trade balances between individual countries, that didn't really cause much harm as long as everything was going well in the period of 2001-2008, but are now showing.
To your first parts, "criminals" aren't a seperate species, they're simply humans, and even though they're breaking some laws doesn't imply that they'll out of some reason break every law there is, which seems to be your underlying argument. In any case, nationwide restrictions on guns that are actually enforced would make it much harde (not impossible) to obtain guns, which would do a lot of good already.
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Also it's just a city-wide gun, which is much much easier to circumvent than a nation-wide one would.
We are talking about breaking the law by murdering someone which people are tying directly to guns, no? So if a criminal is hell bent on breaking the law as we obviously know with the gun murders then its a fairly simple assessment: criminals will break the law, that's what makes them a criminal.
And to think banning guns would result in criminals not getting guns is sorta crazy don't you think?
Lastly to the other debate, if our
5.5% unemployment is so bad then I don't know what to say about half of Europe's rate. Going by our form of government by much of Europe's...no thank you, I will stick to ours. You could would have been better off without the EU.
And to think banning guns would result in criminals not getting guns is sorta crazy don't you think?
Lastly to the other debate, if our
5.5% unemployment is so bad then I don't know what to say about half of Europe's rate. Going by our form of government by much of Europe's...no thank you, I will stick to ours. You could would have been better off without the EU.
Yes.
That's the other argument. Thread is for US Shootings.
That's the other argument. Thread is for US Shootings.
Look at nations with large gun bans. Criminals still get weapons, yet there aren't mass shootings at the frequency of the US. Criminals always have weapons, it's the other guys we need to worry about.