Shooting in USA-thread. (19 Viewers)

[AFL_ITALIA]

I wonder if the US has more retards than anywhere else in the world. That's essentially the point gun enthusiasts are making, right? It's mental illness, not guns. So here's the thing I don't get. I'm fairly sure that percentage wise most European countries have as much retards as the US. They have less guns though. So wouldn't it make more sense to look at the guns, rather than mental illness?

In the "western world," I can see that. But this is what happens when the price of college is so high.

 

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[Salvo]

So let me get this straight...

We have retards armed to the teeth killing 27 people at a kid's school, Tsarnaev brothers getting radicalized and blowing up bodies at the Boston Marathon and shutting the city down, Elliot Rodger gunning down people at convenience stores because he can't get his deck wet, losers killing black churchgoers, a Roseburg, OR nutjob shooting up a community college, 70 people getting shot at a Colorado movie theater, multiple mass shootings at Ft. Hood, etc., etc., and none of that warrants any government concern nor action.

But take one crazy beyotch who posts her allegiance to ISIS on Facebook the day of a murder spree -- even if ISIS has no frigging idea who she is -- and suddenly my president is giving national speeches and Congress is getting involved?

Dafuq is wrong with this picture?

Yeeeep

 

[Salvo]

The idea that not having a gun will be less safe because people will still them illegally doesn't make sense. Look at the rest of the world. If I get a gun pulled on me I probably won't get shot, unless of course I pull one out as well. Call it simplistic but it makes, for me at least, to fight fire with fire. I assume us companies make a fuck ton off gun sales. The 2nd ammendment is a good little excuse to push for more guns.

 

[icemaη]

The idea that not having a gun will be less safe because people will still them illegally doesn't make sense. Look at the rest of the world. If I get a gun pulled on me I probably won't get shot, unless of course I pull one out as well. Call it simplistic but it makes, for me at least, to fight fire with fire. I assume us companies make a fuck ton off gun sales. The 2nd ammendment is a good little excuse to push for more guns.

13.5 billion is the annual revenue. 3.1 billion sold in gun shops. There's restrictions on selling US made guns and ammo abroad. So the domestic market is crucial to the industry. At least that's what I've learned with the little reading I've done on it.

 

[Salvo]

13.5 billion is the annual revenue. 3.1 billion sold in gun shops. There's restrictions on selling US made guns and ammo abroad. So the domestic market is crucial to the industry. At least that's what I've learned with the little reading I've done on it.

Yep. It's all about the money.

 

[Bianconero_Aus]

C.R.E.A.M, baby

 

[Seven]

In the "western world," I can see that. But this is what happens when the price of college is so high.

Hmm.. I guess maybe education is a problem. But still, you don't need much education to know you shouldn't shoot people.

 

[Salvo]

C.R.E.A.M, baby

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[Catenaccio]

You are more than 10x more likely to die with your own gun than getting shot by someone else.

Gun ownership in the USA stems from cultural values associated with the 2nd amendment. You are just as capable of obtaining a firearm in other countries, but they just don't for the most part.

 

[Raz]

You are more than 10x more likely to die with your own gun than getting shot by someone else.

Gun ownership in the USA stems from cultural values associated with the 2nd amendment. You are just as capable of obtaining a firearm in other countries, but they just don't for the most part.

True, however here in lithuania, I would have to go through physiological evaluation, then basic training then have to hand in a letter why I need to own one, register myself as an owner to authorities to be able to own a gun.

 

[Seven]

@Bjerknes, this might be something you are very interested in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Also, I get that you're in your 30's now. You think back and see how you were a tad naive in your 20's. So what do you do? You embrace every hard core conservative belief and think you have seen the light. You are not the first man to do this. Not even close. It's a shame that you go down the same path billions of other men have gone down before you.

 

[Enron]

In the "western world," I can see that. But this is what happens when the price of college is so high.

I'm pretty sure we have more people going to college than ever before. Which is another problem entirely.

 

[Hængebøffer]

I'm pretty sure we have more people going to college than ever before. Which is another problem entirely.

Mo' students mo' money

 

[Seven]

I'm pretty sure we have more people going to college than ever before. Which is another problem entirely.

My point was actually that Americans are not likely to be less intelligent than Europeans. So you can't just look at mental illness or stupidity for gun deaths.

 

[Enron]

Mo' students mo' money

It's so dumbed down and easy. No one takes a 4 year degree seriously anymore. You pretty much have to get a grad degree to even have a chance of working in an advanced field.

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My point was actually that Americans are not likely to be less intelligent than Europeans. So you can't just look at mental illness or stupidity for gun deaths.

I know what your point was.

 

[Seven]

It's so dumbed down and easy. No one takes a 4 year degree seriously anymore. You pretty much have to get a grad degree to even have a chance of working in an advanced field.

Finland, basic income, future.

I suppose.

 

[AFL_ITALIA]

Hmm.. I guess maybe education is a problem. But still, you don't need much education to know you shouldn't shoot people.

I meant more in terms of how to solve these issues and who gets elected to office. For example, Trump's popularity.

I'm pretty sure we have more people going to college than ever before. Which is another problem entirely.

True. But I believe it does more good than harm in the long run, even with the devaluation of college degrees.

 

[Bjerknes]

@Bjerknes, this might be something you are very interested in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

Also, I get that you're in your 30's now. You think back and see how you were a tad naive in your 20's. So what do you do? You embrace every hard core conservative belief and think you have seen the light. You are not the first man to do this. Not even close. It's a shame that you go down the same path billions of other men have gone down before you.

Naive could be one way to put it, especially in my understanding of how Washington actually works, not the textbook version. Depending upon upbringing and eduction, I'm sure a lot of folks can attest to being naive in one facet of life or another. But I'm really curious as to what is considered a conservative belief nowadays -- and what you would consider as conservative in the American political spectrum. At the end of the day, both Liberal and Conservative are just adjectives. What is important is whether those values uphold a strong, free society, maximizing the ability of citizens to live freely and safely. The job of the government is to protect all citizens, not just certain groups, and not just the groups that hand over their votes to them. This means that individuals have a right to bear arms, along with the right to marry someone of the same sex, have fair employment opportunities, et cetera. So while you may think there are two sides to a coin, there are actually three, and we all should be on the sides.

 

[swag]

Would you believe I don't disagree with anything Andy just wrote?

 

[Raz]

Would you believe I don't disagree with anything Andy just wrote?