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But those incidents don't happen everywhere. Just like people who go bankrupt after having to pay a medical bill are quite uncommon in Belgium. You're actually defending this bullshit and that's what's disturbing.
And this is not some Sicko inspired rant. The thing that truly maddens me is that American corporations are setting an example and are trying to force the same kind of health care into Europe. Which fucking blows, even if pretty much all Belgians have opposed it so far.
And this is not some Sicko inspired rant. The thing that truly maddens me is that American corporations are setting an example and are trying to force the same kind of health care into Europe. Which fucking blows, even if pretty much all Belgians have opposed it so far.
You forget that america was built and is driven on "capitalism". Of course the government will have a hand in any large lucrative section but still you must realize that here health care is a free-enterprise based business just like the automotive industry, the entertainment industry (including sports), etc.. All of which the government has some kind of control (and controlling interest in). So when you say that paying med bills leaving ppl to file bankruptcy in the end is uncommon its nothing out of the ordinary here just like when someone here buys a house. You buy a house or property here and you are incurring x amount of dollars in debt, and if you cannot afford to pay your mortgage then you will be foreclosed, sometimes leading to bankruptcy.
Its all hand in hand and I don't expect you to understand and I'm not saying its right but that’s how it is over here. Its profit oriented not people oriented.
Btw what those hospital workers did is disturbing, I wasn't saying what they did was acceptable either. You can read my earlier posts about my take on that.
Its all hand in hand and I don't expect you to understand and I'm not saying its right but that’s how it is over here. Its profit oriented not people oriented.
Btw what those hospital workers did is disturbing, I wasn't saying what they did was acceptable either. You can read my earlier posts about my take on that.
You know, lately I've been realising it's simply very hard to be an educated person in America. Pretty much all the odds are against you. And I'm not saying this because I hate America as many of you think, but because I genuinely feel a whole generation of Americans is betrayed on a daily basis. The amount of bullshit you guys have to swallow is amazing and is one of the reasons I have been hesitant to go to America. I have always wanted to live in America for a while, but I don't know if I could take it.
Good tv shows though, I love House MD
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Good tv shows though, I love House MD
.But that's not where we disagree, Dru. Health care in America wasn't always a free-enterprise based business. At one point in time people actually chose to make it so. Which means you can overturn that choice as well. That's why there are politics. Politicians serve the people. Michael Moore has his flaws, but while that's a fact in Europe, it simply isn't so in the USA.
Obama rightly states that America has to create a better health care system and better social services in general. He also observes that America was built on risk taking. And people are more likely to take risks when there is a safety net. That safety net consists of social services and better education. I might disagree with Obama on a few things, but that statement is why Europe wants him to win.
Obama rightly states that America has to create a better health care system and better social services in general. He also observes that America was built on risk taking. And people are more likely to take risks when there is a safety net. That safety net consists of social services and better education. I might disagree with Obama on a few things, but that statement is why Europe wants him to win.
Everything you are saying is ideally valid and true. Unfortunately politicians aren't here to serve the people, they are here for getting votes from the people so that they can pass statutes and motions to help those that sponsored their campaigns.
And I do believe that the government should take some sort of dominative role in health care. Although I hate to admit this or even compare it but some sort of mild self sustaining approach to what Canada does with free socialized health care would be my suggestion. Unfortunately none of this will ever happen here because the health care industry (all inclusive >> research, treatment, procurement, etc..) is the united states most stable, profitable of all of its industries. Its never-ending in terms of demand for jobs, research, supplies, hospitals, clinics, pharmaceuticals, etc.. It’s a constant giant stream of revenue and endless demand. Thus the government would be morons to cut off that aspect of the economy.
I'm not disagreeing with you dude, its just the way things are over here. Its all about the cash flow
And I do believe that the government should take some sort of dominative role in health care. Although I hate to admit this or even compare it but some sort of mild self sustaining approach to what Canada does with free socialized health care would be my suggestion. Unfortunately none of this will ever happen here because the health care industry (all inclusive >> research, treatment, procurement, etc..) is the united states most stable, profitable of all of its industries. Its never-ending in terms of demand for jobs, research, supplies, hospitals, clinics, pharmaceuticals, etc.. It’s a constant giant stream of revenue and endless demand. Thus the government would be morons to cut off that aspect of the economy.
I'm not disagreeing with you dude, its just the way things are over here. Its all about the cash flow
I've had it happen to a friend of mine in Berkeley when he was having a kidney stone attack. He couldn't move or make noises. He just writhed on the sidewalk for a couple of hours. People stepped over him presuming he was just another junkie on the street.
Have you ever sat in a waiting room at an ER, Zé T?
I don't just mean in America either. I've seen people ignored like this in ERs in Japan.
Dude, that is one smug load of self-serving crap you're eating there. I hope you brought napkins.
Have you ever sat in a waiting room at an ER, Zé T?
I don't just mean in America either. I've seen people ignored like this in ERs in Japan.
Dude, that is one smug load of self-serving crap you're eating there. I hope you brought napkins.
Tell me about it. I don't have health insurance. So this spring when I basically broke my ankle, I had to suck it up and walk the shit off. It's still kind of deformed to this day. I'm not complaining, I mean it works fine, I just don't have the same range of motion as I used to. But I can't imagine what happens to others like me who have more serious issues.