Serie B: Mantova vs Juventus - [13/01/2007] (8 Viewers)
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Good report Sateeh.
I too was a bit dissapointed by Marchisio and Paro. Both showed flashes of quality, but both were just too uninvolved. Making for a very soft midfield. Though that goes for most of the team, all were lacklustre, too comfortable doing nothing and they looked like lacking the will to fight for any result. I think the talent and quality is there, but we lacked grit and conviction.
I too was a bit dissapointed by Marchisio and Paro. Both showed flashes of quality, but both were just too uninvolved. Making for a very soft midfield. Though that goes for most of the team, all were lacklustre, too comfortable doing nothing and they looked like lacking the will to fight for any result. I think the talent and quality is there, but we lacked grit and conviction.
good analysis Sateeh,
i had the chance to watch the game just right now
i ve first red all the comments here and already had an idea about what i was going to watch
so i cant be really objective,
I agree with your comments and i would further add a few more from my point of view:
-It wasnt an offside or own goal, Mantova scored a legal goal and played a good game overall,congrats to them, they werent overdetermined or suspiciously motivated against us,
they just used the space we gave them,
-IMO we entered with the wrong mentality, it was a collective error,
the managers and not only the coach are to blamed for
-we lacked motivation, determination, concentration, squad depth and luck
-it was a matter of time our long injury list would cost us and here it is!
i hope Buffon wont be added too in that list, did anyone heard of any fresh news/announcements about that?
-Balza isnt the same he used to be last year, but he wasnt thaat bad
-Paro maybe be admired for his Pirlo like offensive abilities but he lacks serious defensive skills, he cant handle the defensive part of the midfield alone,
without the support of a specialised player,
(i ve always reapeating this thing and it gets really obvious when he is not paired with Zanetti or even Gianni ;-) ),
this is what EMO was able to offer to our team and half of the forum failed to understand
-DD isnt a high profile coach, not more or less,
he loves the team alright, he has an insight but he isnt as open minded as some of you present him to be
- i dont know whats wrong with Bojinov but there is smth there for sure,
i cant think of any reason that would have kept him on the bench today,
i dont think DD in that dump, there is smth else,
orders from "above" maybe
- it wasnt the worst game of the season and esp considering the circumstances...
but we should have done better, after the Milan game i thought we wouldnt have any determination problems right now, but here they are...
i had the chance to watch the game just right now
i ve first red all the comments here and already had an idea about what i was going to watch
so i cant be really objective,
I agree with your comments and i would further add a few more from my point of view:
-It wasnt an offside or own goal, Mantova scored a legal goal and played a good game overall,congrats to them, they werent overdetermined or suspiciously motivated against us,
they just used the space we gave them,
-IMO we entered with the wrong mentality, it was a collective error,
the managers and not only the coach are to blamed for
-we lacked motivation, determination, concentration, squad depth and luck
-it was a matter of time our long injury list would cost us and here it is!
i hope Buffon wont be added too in that list, did anyone heard of any fresh news/announcements about that?
-Balza isnt the same he used to be last year, but he wasnt thaat bad
-Paro maybe be admired for his Pirlo like offensive abilities but he lacks serious defensive skills, he cant handle the defensive part of the midfield alone,
without the support of a specialised player,
(i ve always reapeating this thing and it gets really obvious when he is not paired with Zanetti or even Gianni ;-) ),
this is what EMO was able to offer to our team and half of the forum failed to understand
-DD isnt a high profile coach, not more or less,
he loves the team alright, he has an insight but he isnt as open minded as some of you present him to be
- i dont know whats wrong with Bojinov but there is smth there for sure,
i cant think of any reason that would have kept him on the bench today,
i dont think DD in that dump, there is smth else,
orders from "above" maybe
- it wasnt the worst game of the season and esp considering the circumstances...
but we should have done better, after the Milan game i thought we wouldnt have any determination problems right now, but here they are...
I think It's harsh to criticize Didier this way. Sure he has done some mistakes last two matches, but hey everyone make mistakes.
Lets also not forget that it's really not his fault players are getting injured, he can't stick to one formation for more than two games. Every-week he has a problem with his formation, and this also leads to changing tactics.
Still a long way ahead of us, we better learn now before It's too late.
Lets also not forget that it's really not his fault players are getting injured, he can't stick to one formation for more than two games. Every-week he has a problem with his formation, and this also leads to changing tactics.
Still a long way ahead of us, we better learn now before It's too late.
Thanks for the insult, again you proved my point about you.
Del Piero didn't play his part of the awful game like you're trying to call it. He was our only player that was able to attack though his position doesn't allow him that much, yet he managed to threaten Mantova's goalkeeper.
Thats Del Piero's style, he's not Roberto Carlos nor Marc Overmars, he thinks before running with the ball, his passes are always decent, he waits for the wingers to show up unlike other players who really like to make a show each time they recieve the ball. Wether you like it or not, every single attack we had in this game came from him.
Practice the game more Dominic, before you judge players.
He's not only my man of the match, read how many posters do agree with me. It's not the first time they all praise him but then you log in to bash him for no reasons. So try to get over it.
C'mon, don't play an angel role here, If I'd have enough time in my hands, I'd be diggin your silly posts towards him, when you criticize him for no reasons and bash him when he's doing good.
It means that many do agree with me, while I don't see lot of people agreein with you(probably only lil zlatans fans). You tell me what does that tell you???
Learn how to argue, and most important learn your football before you Insult. Practice the game like I said, I'm sure by time you'll advance.
Is that a sign that you ran out of words???
It's easy Dominic, go to match section, dig up prev games we had, and see my comments about Ale when he was out of form.
Del Piero didn't play his part of the awful game like you're trying to call it. He was our only player that was able to attack though his position doesn't allow him that much, yet he managed to threaten Mantova's goalkeeper.
Thats Del Piero's style, he's not Roberto Carlos nor Marc Overmars, he thinks before running with the ball, his passes are always decent, he waits for the wingers to show up unlike other players who really like to make a show each time they recieve the ball. Wether you like it or not, every single attack we had in this game came from him.
Practice the game more Dominic, before you judge players.
He's not only my man of the match, read how many posters do agree with me. It's not the first time they all praise him but then you log in to bash him for no reasons. So try to get over it.
C'mon, don't play an angel role here
, If I'd have enough time in my hands, I'd be diggin your silly posts towards him, when you criticize him for no reasons and bash him when he's doing good. It means that many do agree with me, while I don't see lot of people agreein with you(probably only lil zlatans fans). You tell me what does that tell you???
Learn how to argue, and most important learn your football before you Insult. Practice the game like I said, I'm sure by time you'll advance.
Is that a sign that you ran out of words???
It's easy Dominic, go to match section, dig up prev games we had, and see my comments about Ale when he was out of form.
I have a general question for all the people who are able to see most matches of juve this season.
Do we have a clear tactic? somehow I feel that we never really have a game plan (I saw 3 matchs this season). just like the time of capello. this is making me really nervous.. I don´t have the feeling that the teams display is improving...
Please discuss
Do we have a clear tactic? somehow I feel that we never really have a game plan (I saw 3 matchs this season). just like the time of capello. this is making me really nervous.. I don´t have the feeling that the teams display is improving...
Please discuss
thank you for bringing this up...because as I read all these pages, seeing people justify this loss because players are missing, I started to think back to our games in the last few months, when we had a full squad, and I cannot remember one game that we dominated any opponent
We supposedly have the strongest squad....but have we really showed that ?? We have struggled in every game, even against very inferior opponents (on paper), who came out and played their asses off, and made things close.
I said before that there is some very strong teams in Serie B (Genoa, Napoli, Bologna), better than average teams (Bari, Piacenza, Mantova, Cesena), and teams that could throw some surprises at us (Albinoleffe, Rimini, Frosinone), so no doubt that this is the strongest Serie B in a long while
With all this in mind, what is DD's gameplan ?? Does he have one ??
Does he actually believe that players like Paro, Marchisio, and Zalayeta are going to bring us back to the promised land ?? With what I've seen so far, I am not convinced. If we wait on the youngsters to improve, and come around, we may be waiting another season in Serie B...despite what anyone here thinks
I think we need some help NOW, before the transfer market closes....and for those who think it isnt fair to the youngsters, let me ask you this...
do you think that any of these guys will be starters next year if Juve makes it back to Serie A ???
The answer is pretty easy....NO !!
We supposedly have the strongest squad....but have we really showed that ?? We have struggled in every game, even against very inferior opponents (on paper), who came out and played their asses off, and made things close.
I said before that there is some very strong teams in Serie B (Genoa, Napoli, Bologna), better than average teams (Bari, Piacenza, Mantova, Cesena), and teams that could throw some surprises at us (Albinoleffe, Rimini, Frosinone), so no doubt that this is the strongest Serie B in a long while
With all this in mind, what is DD's gameplan ?? Does he have one ??
Does he actually believe that players like Paro, Marchisio, and Zalayeta are going to bring us back to the promised land ?? With what I've seen so far, I am not convinced. If we wait on the youngsters to improve, and come around, we may be waiting another season in Serie B...despite what anyone here thinks
I think we need some help NOW, before the transfer market closes....and for those who think it isnt fair to the youngsters, let me ask you this...
do you think that any of these guys will be starters next year if Juve makes it back to Serie A ???
The answer is pretty easy....NO !!
I am not sure about these youngsters also, so far Paro seems to me a player we can rotate in serie a for the "easy" games, and Palladino can be our 4th? 5th? forward..
We do need players, but don't forget the good players won't come and play for us in serie B, unless we pay lots of money, which is a problem for us..
we are goint to serie A next season, we are not that bad. after all we are leading with five or six points? if you take off the deduction. no need to panic..
We do need players, but don't forget the good players won't come and play for us in serie B, unless we pay lots of money, which is a problem for us..
we are goint to serie A next season, we are not that bad. after all we are leading with five or six points? if you take off the deduction. no need to panic..
Palladino should be our 3rd striker, assuming Trezeguet stays and Bojinov goes...and it seems that even when Bojinov is here, he's the third in line. Paro would be better if he had someone more commanding and aggressive next to him. Marchisio needs to improve before we could play him in Serie A.
On the subject of having a plan...whatever plan DD comes up with now won't be much good come next fall if we're really going to make as many signings as the board claims. So far we've been doing reasonably well, not great, not terrible all the time either.
On the subject of having a plan...whatever plan DD comes up with now won't be much good come next fall if we're really going to make as many signings as the board claims. So far we've been doing reasonably well, not great, not terrible all the time either.
Good point Vin.
I think between all these you youngsters, I'd only pick Paro so far. He's a hard-worker midfielder with some talent in him. Others are yet to convince me.
Btw, Balza's performance isn't like last year, he's been awful from the games I've seen. I think our best defender so far has been Chiellini.
I think between all these you youngsters, I'd only pick Paro so far. He's a hard-worker midfielder with some talent in him. Others are yet to convince me.
Btw, Balza's performance isn't like last year, he's been awful from the games I've seen. I think our best defender so far has been Chiellini.
Looking at Palladino's perfomance last 2 or 3games, I'd put him as a starter. After-all Trezeguet isn't doing any better. I know Trezeguet is a world-class finisher, but when you have someone who's invisible most of the times and you keep him on the pitch because he can score at any-moment, I believe Didier is gambling over there.
What point? I stooped down to your level. You might not have used the words, but your arrogant and condescending attitude and remarks are just as insulting.
His postion allowed him to create offensive moves, while obviously he didn't succeed in that. We got our first real chance after an hour. He himself managed to get one chance in the final minute in the game, which he again gloriously missed.
I hope it's not his style, because i've seen Del Piero do much much better in the past. Del Piero has a good throughball, but if he OVERthinks his passing, he won't even be able to use it. Such a waste. I don't rate Roberto Carlos nor do I Marc Overmars, by the way.
Thank you for your wise lesson
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That is bullshit. I always try to give a fair opinion, I never 'bash' him. I Especially don't do so for no reason.
I might've made a silly joke at his expense in the past. I never bash him or attack him for no reason. That's the defence you always put up, when some has a point of criticisme towards Del Piero; " Del Piero hater, Zlatan lover".
Read Sateeh's match comments.
Oh yes, posting the howler smiley is some great arguement.
And fuck off with your arrogance.
Yes, you were 99% still positive and always had some needless excuse ready to give.
His postion allowed him to create offensive moves, while obviously he didn't succeed in that. We got our first real chance after an hour. He himself managed to get one chance in the final minute in the game, which he again gloriously missed.
I hope it's not his style, because i've seen Del Piero do much much better in the past. Del Piero has a good throughball, but if he OVERthinks his passing, he won't even be able to use it. Such a waste. I don't rate Roberto Carlos nor do I Marc Overmars, by the way.
Thank you for your wise lesson
.That is bullshit. I always try to give a fair opinion, I never 'bash' him. I Especially don't do so for no reason.
C'mon, don't play an angel role here, If I'd have enough time in my hands, I'd be diggin your silly posts towards him, when you criticize him for no reasons and bash him when he's doing good.
, If I'd have enough time in my hands, I'd be diggin your silly posts towards him, when you criticize him for no reasons and bash him when he's doing good.
Read Sateeh's match comments.
Oh yes, posting the howler smiley is some great arguement.
And fuck off with your arrogance.
Yes, you were 99% still positive and always had some needless excuse ready to give.
We should at least see some indication of what style DD wants the team to play, there is little evidence so far. We are incapable of controlling games and let the opposition have the initiative, we struggle to break down poor teams(When was the last time we scored in the 1st half for example?) and as I've already mentioned, Deschamps can't change the way the team is playing with subs or otherwise.