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Azzurri7 said:
you didn't get my post Snoop...

With the quality players we have, we Should atleast in may be in France..."atleast". That said that, I don't care wether It's Barca Lyon Chelsea, we have the quality we have classy player and great squad, which we didn't have in some time...specially in the last 3years under Lippi, Though the Cigar man managed to take us into the Finals with the likes of "Oldy Monter-Ferrara"..No good repl for buffon, we didn't have something called EmersonVieira...and having Zalayeta our only good attacking sub...

see what I mean now?

with the players they have inter, milan, we, chelsea, liverpool, man u, barca, real should be in france but only 2 of those if not somebody else will be there
 

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Azzurri7

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Don Bes said:
with the players they have inter, milan, we, chelsea, liverpool, man u, barca, real should be in france but only 2 of those if not somebody else will be there

Inter??? riiiiiiiiiight....Defence??? strengh in the Squad??? I don't see that...

Milan?? Parma game says it all..As Jeeks told me on the msger, It could be Bayern eliminating them...Their Defence is aged...

Liverpool??? Wouldn't put their players and their quality up to us...they're perfect though when it comes to their coach Benitez in making subs...

Man Utd???:howler: you gotta be kidding me?? oh ya, oshea and Fletcher will do it next year hopefully...

One of Chelsea and Barca will be waving the goodbye soon.
 

RoBi

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Dec 22, 2005
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The team did not play taht badly. I thought they were way better than against Lazio. We also ahve to keep in mind that we did not have zambrotta and nedved which eventhough we may have backups, it makes it more difficult. Plus Palermo is a good side with great players like Corini, the forwards and the defense. It was not an easy game, but overall, Juve showed their superiority.

Thuram did not impress me at all whatsoever. Good thing he dind't do another stupid mistake like he did against lazio.

Cannavaro is superb. He does take chances, but he is also a very courageous defender and quite strong.

Ibra is an amazing player but played very bad yesterday. I am not as much against his high shots because those happen, but when he waits or dribbles too much with the ball it seems that he may miss that opportunity to pass which is open for a split second. Nevertheless, i would rather see Ibrahimovic holding the ball than any other player. You can't deny that he has good ball controll evnethough yesterday was not his day.

I thought Pessoto did well. After all i don't expect too much from him. Try to send some long balls which dind't quite make it, at least thats safer than Chiellini passing it in the back and loosing it there.

Chiellini needs more confidence. I think that it is good that he plays it to Cannavaro who can distribute the ball better, but he also should try linking with the midfield himself. Yes he has messed up in the past, but he is getting better. If he doesn't overcome his fears, he will be a handicap player, which is not what we want.

Now the only player i hope will hit form after Mutu, is Blasi. I think he is quite athletic and works hard. I hope to see him give some good performances.
 

Shoryuken

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:lol: I just download King Kong off of Morpheus and i got la professoressa di lingua or something like that, an italian porno.

Ah well, its not a total loss atleast:D
 

Maresca

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I think most of you still do not understand vinni, he do not mean that we should not only care about results. he do not means we should play nice football like barca. He means we should dominate a match for 90 minutes. AND HE IS RIGHT ON THAT. At the begin of the season all people said we have the strongest midfield, but where is that??? we rarly controll the midfield. I remember (Cosmi) coach of Udinese saying, that the other teams need a panzer to go through juve defence and midfield. I would say palermo just used bicyle and they reached our goal.

and in the CL it is enough to have bad 20 minutes to go out (remembering last season). in the CL the strikers are much stronger than Caracciolo and they will surly score more than him
 

Ramin

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I watched only the first half of the match. Zlatan was a total disaster. Sometimes i wonder how he made it into proffesional football...
 

Alfio_87

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Shoryuken said:
:lol: I just download King Kong off of Morpheus and i got la professoressa di lingua or something like that, an italian porno.

Ah well, its not a total loss atleast:D
lol ahahaha well nuthin wrong wit adding to the collection!!:agree:
 

ZhiXin

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Oct 1, 2004
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We have our 1st match in 2006 and there is another dogfight occurring in the forums again. This is getting really saddening

Vinni may still be very angry about the results and may use some offensive words, but he is 100% right. Maybe I'm content with the performance against against Bayern home game but not this game, but he does have a point. Palermo's team isn't that strong compared ot last season's. The main point in Vinni's,Andy's and denco's argument is that we cannot dominate this Palermo as we should, even after a Christmas break. And TBH I actually expected Juve to do a bit more, but hey 3 points we got and we r smooth sailing.

Remeber Benitez anybody? Just the 1st half in Anfield and the job is done, and the most laughable thing is that Alonso is benched. As Vinni correctly pointed out, we have the tools but we don't have the perfect mechanic for the job. This is very true, especially in Capello's case. Maybe we r used to win with minimum efforts and we always get away with lacklusture performances, this tactic is very useful in the Serie A as the other team don't have the players to stop us, but this move will cost us in the CL, and I'm still surprised that the Liverpool game still didn't reflect on some of u guys. Yes I believe that Capello is a defensive cooach who always go for 4-4-2 and win games, but at times u have to be flexible and make use of every player's abilities.

And Dominic also has a very good point brought up about Capello, yes Capello is a very defensive and cool coach that always bring in the results, and the job is done. He's still a good coach in my eyes, as his tactics are really impressive in the Serie A, however I feel that since he's a coach, sometimes I think that he should be more flexible, especially against big teams. I always like a coach whose tactics always amuse not only me, but the opposition, juz like Mourinho, Benitez and even Hiddink for that matter. It's strange how Juventus has failed to make a comback when we were 3 - 1 down at San Siro compared to teams like PSV, Liverpool and even Parma. The weakness has shown again, and yet Capello doesn't do anything.

About saying the Europe thing, I don't know what is the guy talking about. I have some Liverpool fans in my school and he/they said that Juventus played too patiently in Delle Alpi and their players run round as if they were having a practise session at Anfield. Their comments definitely leave something to desire about.

I wouldn't post my match comments this time round, as it is somewhere between Andy and Dominic which will definitely drift me into a fight again.

1 point to add on, about Milan 4 Parma 3 game, sure some Milanist feel that the results is ok whle some think that the aging defence is definitely a problem, I don't see any problem with any of the comments, but I feel that it is the professionalism that matters, and this is the main culprit for the drop in the standard of this forum due to some lack of professionalism.

Of course to conclude, I don't wish to see any fights to occur, Andy, denco, Vinni, Azzurri7, Jeeks, Dominic and many others, I wish to see more of your match reviews again. swag has been the role model in this forum and is rightfully selected to be a moderator, so everybody should behave professionally and try to limit the use of swear words.

Cheers
 

Vinman

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Dominic said:
:disagree:

What the hell kind of arrogant and moronic way to avoid a discussion is that?
"Jog on, son". Truly truly sad. You never back up your oppinions with arguements, without any logic and reasons. It is truly low and sad to aim at the person, when discussing something. I guess you're simply not worth the effort.



You and Rab have foresight, that's rich. Like I wrote before, you're just negative for the sake of it and Rab wants to belong with the popular crew.

you see...thats why I question your IQ, or lack thereof

YOU CAN'T READ !!!

go back and R-E-A-D what I wrote, and you'll get plenty of reasons and logic as to what I'm saying

dont be afraid

and to say I'm negative just for the sake of it....come on, be a little more original than that, Mr. IQ

Maybe I see and understand the game a little better than you do
 

Bjerknes

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Just when you thought the IQ on this forum couldnt drop any further ...look who shows up. Cant say I'm surprised though...it wouldnt be the specials without you, snoop.

snoop said:
getting eliminated in europe doesn't sound like sinking the ship,Juventus is not the top club of the world,if you think so..Juventus is a Club that tries to succeed in Europe,and it dominates locally,this is Juventus,you still see the (unfair) elimination of Europe as our ship sunk,it's not like that..me and posters like Dominic know what Juventus is about, we are not saying that Juventus will win the CL,or Juventus is the Best team in the world,but when you look at your posts it's rubish,the way you criticize the team over and over again,leading 9 points is something in Serie A,If you can't see that as a sucess,you are blind.Juventus is on the very right way,we need a copule of transfers a right back or left,and a defender and adding a midfielder would be even better..this years Juventus has the capacity to win the League and even the CL,weather you like it or not..
:howler: "Weather" I like it or not, huh? Looking over my previous record on this forum and how much time I put forth talking about Juventus and showing my care for this side...I think it is rather obvious I would love for Juventus to win the Champions League. I mean why on earth would I put so much time and effort into writing these posts if I really did not care about Juventus and did not want them to win...perhaps its something you just cannot comprehend. You must be one of these typical small-minded fans who never look ahead or look past the results, couldnt give a rat's ass how we play unless we LOSE. Does that description sound like that of a true supporter?

I really cannot fathom how you can be happy with this side not playing towards our full potential and say this situation is okey-dokey when its obvious that if we play like we always do against these Serie A sides we will never get close to the Champions League. With the weapons at our disposal we should look more convincing and not get outplayed by inferior opposition every other match. Then when a big test such as Liverpool comes around we find ourselves struggling to compete because we cannot elevate our game after playing multiple straight matches on our heels. Anybody who does not admit we played like shit in the three most difficult matches of the season thus far...away to Milan and the two against Bayern...is fooling themselves and pushing their problems under the carpet. If you are completely content being totally outplayed by Milan and Bayern, hiding behind the argument "you cant win them all" is just pathetic and points towards other agenda. And before you misinterpret something else....I would NOT be as worried if we actually played to a decent level in those specific matches.

This Juventus has all the tools neccesary to succeed in Europe and we have the most solid starting eleven in the World at the moment...if we fail to lift the trophy during these next to years we know who to blame, and you'll know exactly where the problem was located. But after witnessing first hand last year if we do indeed lose out in Europe this time around the same people will be cursing at our players, having an absolute fit, pondering suicide just because they did not have any foresight...hell I doubt even some here know what that word means really.

As for the rest of your nonsense snoop...my posts are not "rubish" as you incorrectly call them, for different reasons. My match reports are truthful, insightful, and gives you a picture of how we played compared to how we SHOULD be playing against teams such as Palermo and Reggina. You are blinded by the results to look any deeper into the performances..and if you did look deeper you wouldnt be talking such nonsense here, snoop. But yes, posters such as yourself and Dominic "know what Juventus is all about." All hail you two. :thumbs: :howler:
 

A_LAcki

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Dec 23, 2002
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Vinman said:
you see...thats why I question your IQ, or lack thereof

YOU CAN'T READ !!!

go back and R-E-A-D what I wrote, and you'll get plenty of reasons and logic as to what I'm saying

dont be afraid

and to say I'm negative just for the sake of it....come on, be a little more original than that, Mr. IQ

Maybe I see and understand the game a little better than you do
Damn cop, whats up in your damn brain? Stop insulting him! He knows by far more than you about football!
 

A_LAcki

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Shoryuken said:
Thats a hell of a lot, We should all be extatic.

Whatever happens in the CL has very little to do with Capellos inability to make the right decisions. Any team who wins it needs luck to do so, football is not an exact science, The Milan match is a great example of that.

I saw many people in here talking about getting outplayed and owned by Milan and other total bs when the match was very even in chances and both teams played good football.

They were lucky with 3 fumbly goals. We scored the only goal from organized team play. Thats something positive and i for one am not at all worried the next time we face them.

We have a great team this year and even if we dont manage to win the CL which we ceratinly could do if we hit a peak in form and dont get unlucky im still convinced this year will be a huge succes. There is really no point in predicting failure in the CL with the team we have and trying to place the blame on the coach who has an exceptional track record sofar.

Doing just that is just an easy way to make yourself look smart, I mean comeon what are the odds of us winning the CL? 6-1 and that is still nr 1 ranked. So betting against Juve is the safe bet and it is much harder to be optimistic and to stand by your team and unrealisticly predict them a s winners.

IMO people who cant be optimistic about our chances needs to learn a little something about team spirit. With the team we have and the way we have been playing there is no reason( except bullshit arguments) to not predict them as winners of the CL.
Oh you are SSSSSSSOOOOOOOO right!
Look at our season! We are 9 points in front of Milan, we won our CL group and have only lost twice this season! To win against Bayern in the Allianz Arena is something, that not a single team has done so far. They are yet to loose a game there, so I don't think it was a tragedy to loose there. True, Bayern controlled us, but not the whole match. What would have happened if Abbiati hadn't made such a mistake? Anyways, we beat them in the second so I don't care. As Tony Montana, dude I only know you under that name :D , pointed out we were very unlucky vs. Milan. When you concede such a goal like Seedorf scored it with the help of Thuram after 13 minutes its hard to get a good start, and when things started to become better, they scored a lucky second. To be honest, we were unlucky, and as Tony Montana siad, luck is essential in football. Just look at the CL winners of the last years. Not the best teams have won, but those who were lucky in the draws and had luck in the games. What if Canna`s header would have gone in at the second Pool game or Ale`s goals would have been given? Who knows, but who cares.
What I want to point out is that we are a great team with a great tactican. But you guys can't be serious when you say, that you want Juve to dominate every game. These guys play like 3 games in one week. If anyone here plays regulary footabll (like I do) he will know, that its hard to play that much and he will also know, that sometimes you don't have to dominate, when you are already on the winning way. I am satified when Juve wins 2-1 without dominating, cause we won and thats what counts. Vinny is not really a football superbrain, cause if you would know the game, you would know that the players don't give a damn about the rest of the game, when they are leading and there are no signs of loosing or drawing this one. Argumnets like "I want Juve to dominate" are laughable, because what would be the difference if we would have won 4-1 versous Palermo with an outstanding performance???? We would have made 3 points, or not??? I don't know, but I think the outcome would have been the same. Juve should dominate in games when the have to. Take the Inter match. Great performance in the first half. Really made me proud. The second Bayern game. Great football and passion. We beat Roma 4-1. That was domination when it was needed. So stop acting like little b*tches. Its really unbelievable! We are leading with 9 points are winning game after game and still there are people complaining.
 

Holygr4le

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Aug 4, 2005
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Great result.
OK Game.

Southern teams in general and Sicilian teams particular are very strong at home.
Nothing new with Palermo, even though Juve historically has the benefit of the doubt against this positive pink team.

Palermo has not been the strong side predicted before this season but never the less 3 points away is a good days work.

Juventus keep making these results where the other big teams makes errors from time to time.
It is time to stop judging this team with ridiculous comments as “lack of game plan”, “boring football” or “won’t be enough against the dragons”. Those games has not been played yet, this one has and we won. We can start arguing after loosing important games (read: finals champions league or/and crucial Serie A games) instead of after winning mainstream “3 points is great”-games.

When you win the WC no one will remember playing boring or even loosing a game in the group stages. The only objective is to be at the best when it is needed.

In this game Juve did what they had to as usual and it is truly enough.


Abbiati -7.0
Good solid performance.
Buffon has a lot of weight on his shoulders replacing a flawless Abbiati.
We did not believe this when he first came…

Pessotto -6
Captain and played as secure he can. Did not try to much. Kept his position and when forward when he had backup.

Canna -6,5
Invisible. That’s a good thing…
The one thing is that communication between Thuram, Canna and Chiellini tender to lack in stressful situations. Especially with Chiellini.

Thuram -6
Once again speed is his worst enemy. Good positioning though.

Chiellini -5
I´m still waiting for this giraffe to grow in his costume.
Makes errors as last man to many times. Good intentions when he goes forward but he never succeed in producing in those occasions. Has to improve his reading of the game and play more secure balls.

Vieira -5,5
His form is still missing.
Looks staggering and uncomfortable with the ball. Does not go forward as earlier and takes 0.2 seconds to long before making decisions these days.

Emerson -6,5
Kept the midfield in position and order. Great performance as he has grown once again to be the rock in midfield we’re used to.

Camo -6,5
Nice performance. Tries to much at times. Seems as he has a free role as he was all over the pitch. Works great in both offence and defence. Miss a playpal to work the wing with…

Mutu -7
MOM
2 Goals and a splendid first half. Went away in second and made some easy mistakes. Hogged the ball but he is all excused after his first half performance. Great skill on both goals showing his striking abilities. All the action went down in the centre of the pitch. Did you see that Capello?

Ibrahimovic -6
A mystery.
One part of me want´s to give him a 5.0 but he was involved in both goals and worked quite well the first half. He has so much potential, but why is he so lazy and uninterested? Starts to worry me but he keep making those assists. We´ll just have to wait and see…


Trez -5,5

First off form game he had in ages. You could see the frustration in his eyes loosing the goal strike record. Should have had the ball from both DP and Mutu at times.

Subs:

Blasi -6

Did what he was supposed to do. Nothing more, nothing less.

Del Piero -5,5
Our bellowed captain is frustrated in so many ways. Is mistreated in my opinion. He had a great flow earlier and made all those goals to equal the Juve all time high then all of a sudden he is off the team and is not being given any playtime at all. And that happened in a time when he played great. It is a pity that he is treated this way…

Capello -7
Who am I to judge?
He keeps winning even if I do not agree on how he plays the team.
 

ZhiXin

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Sums up everything I wanna say Holy.

About DP being 5.5, I would actually grade him a 6 for being on the pitch at the 87th minute, which serves no purpose at all. It's natural to be frustrated since he feels mistreated since he is the legend of Juventus.

About Capello a 7, I would give him a 6, becos he did a good job in securing the 3points needed, however I still yearn for a change of game tactics.

This is what I would probably go for

------------Mutu - Trez
--------------Zlatan-------
-----Vieira - Emerson - Camo
Zambro - Canna - Thuram - Balzaretti
----------------Abbiati--------------
 
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