[Serie A] Palermo 2-0 Juventus, Oct 4th, 2009 (29 Viewers)
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Today was clearly seen that there's too much space/holes between Melo and Poulsen on the left and Camo on the right....holes that Pastore and Bresciano used on the best way they could. In formation we play,3 man midfield has to be consisted of 3 natural central midfielders that can play box2box. Instead,we had today one dumb blond ass that lost few hundreds balls and a argentine winger that likes to explore his potential of wedding with the ball. Poulsen looses it instantly and Camo loses it after few heartbreaking dribbles... in the end,it's all the same. Diego....we'll,hhe's a forgotten playmaker,the one that whole team has to work for and then he has abilities to provide some magic. Well whole team DOES NOT work for him at this moment of writing. I really hope that when Sissoko comes back,we'll have a rock solid 3 man midfield consisted of Marchisio-Melo-SIssoko. Another thing. People bash Amauri for poor performances. C'mon,we don't have wingers anymore and our fullback cross like Shaq makes free trows. On other hand,isn't an unsigned rule to have one playmaking forward and one targetman? Instead DP he has to play with Iaq(and in other way too) instead Del Piero. Imagine Jan Koller and Vratislav Lokvenc playing together or even better,Emile Hesky and Peter Crouch or beter Luca Toni and Cristiano Lucarelli......you get the point. If treze didn't have DP troughout his career in Juve,his goal tally would have been equal as Fonseca's.
Conclusion,Ferrara must decide; will we play 4-3-1-2 or 4-2-2. It's too much swimming between that formations in last few matches,when Camo acts like winger and Poulsen decides to play teqratista for a while..... no go ladies and gentleman.
Conclusion,Ferrara must decide; will we play 4-3-1-2 or 4-2-2. It's too much swimming between that formations in last few matches,when Camo acts like winger and Poulsen decides to play teqratista for a while..... no go ladies and gentleman.
Deigo one good match ?
what about the first match he played when he set up the goal ?
and remember he's just come back from injury
ppl at fault:
1.amauri
2.ferarra
3.molerno
these are the 3 to blame.
To sack Ranieri your supposed to hire someone significantly better, not someone about the same or worse. In the champions league he played well under him, and the team he had was far worse. Juve's team now, isnt far from inters
what about the first match he played when he set up the goal ?
and remember he's just come back from injury
ppl at fault:
1.amauri
2.ferarra
3.molerno
these are the 3 to blame.
To sack Ranieri your supposed to hire someone significantly better, not someone about the same or worse. In the champions league he played well under him, and the team he had was far worse. Juve's team now, isnt far from inters
I am sure that many others would agree that other that we have not yet found our rhythm. Our points tally and league position belie our failure to perform and also, a shocking spate of injuries to key personnel...The fact that we are only two points off the summit, and still hopeful of qualifying for the second round of the champions league, when we have not played well, at all, is a definite piece of firm ground to plant hope seeds. Simply put: we could be, and perhaps deserve to be, in a far worse position that where we currently find ourselves.
The defence was looking incredibly solid with the Canna CHiellini double act. Losing the old man with the cheeky smile has affected us quite dramatically, as Legro is not at all near the same standard as the man he has been replacing of late...
Our right back is a problem area, but I can see Ciro's problem...Grygera, Sali and Zebina have all been in and out of the treatment room. Which leaves only Caceres...as constantly fit. And he is a player who needs to be brought into the first team, if at all, very very slowly. Failing to make the grade at Barca suggests that he needs time, patience and a softly softly approach. NOT straight in at the deep end...Though, I don't understand why he hasn't been given any time at centreback, just to see what he can do, in the absence of Cannavaro. Admittedly, thats a risk...but why bring him to the club, citing his versatility as a major reason for the deal, unless we are going to make use of his ability to play anywhere across the back line.
The biggest shame, for the defence, has been Sali's injury layoff. Whilst he is far from spectacular, he always seems to provide consistency wherever he plays. And he is a reliable option for the left or tight back roles...
When we have Cannavarro and Sali back in contention, with Zebina gaining more match sharpness, then, I hope we will start looking a lot more solid, winning games well before the final whistle, which will allow Ciro to try Caceres.
Melo has been immense, in flashes, but does not perform particularly well with Poulsen and Camo for company. He needs more muscle and devotion to accompany him in the middle...Camo has been superb, in even shorter lasting, more sporadically appearing flashes and his attitude, more often than not, has been appalling for a professional footballer paid thousands of pounds per week to perform...Too many times have I seen him strolling around the pitch, remonstrating with himself, while the opposition walks by him, with the ball at their feet...thankfully, we have Marchisio, Momo, and Tiago to return to the middle of the park.
Tiago definitely becomes more than a shadow of his former great self when he is playing in a central trio....Marchisio is preferable, as his work rate is more intense. And as for Momo...with the spaces that seem to keep appearing in our midfield, is looking increasingly ESSENTIAL to any hopes of improving our form. For me, Melo and Momo will be definite starters when both fit...
It is wrong to judge Diego on what he has done so far. He was injured preseason, then injured again recently. He is also playing behind a presently disastrous Amauri and hard working but lacking ball control Iaquinta. We are missing Del Piero, savagely...Diego behind DP and Trez, is surely the most perfect offensive mix we can put together??? As for Amauri...I think that a few thousand more juventini are beginning to agree with my former assertion that he has yet to prove he is worth anything close to what we paid for him. I am not pleased about his shocking form...and I desperately want to see him improve. But watching him on the pitch this season has rarely been a pleasurable experience...As others have mentioned, we need a mix in attack of flair and brute force. We have been playing two target men, yet we have Giovinco who can take DP's place...
We have had too many injuries to blame Ciro for our current lack of form. The only mistakes I would point out...:
Failing to give Caceres a shot at centreback, whilst Canna is injured and Legro is...well..Legro.
Failing to decide on a first choice strike partnership in the absence of Del Piero, and also, of failing to give Giovinco a chance in attack.
Other than these issues...which can all be reasoned out, I see the absence, and lack of match sharpness, of Del Piero, Tiago, Cannavaro, Momo, Diego, Marchisio, Trezeguet, Zebina and the disgusting form of Amauri, as the key reasons for our current wallowing in the mire. Also...Molinaro should NEVER get a game.
That DP, Tiago, Canna, Momo, Diego, Marchisio, Zebina,Trez group would all be in MY FIRST TEAM...We need those players fit and match sharp before we can truly judge Ciro. We have time now, at least to get the players fitter, before the next Serie A game...and all is definitely not lost...yet!
(the main positive for me, has been BUFFON's return to 'greatest goalkeeper in the galaxy'...
The defence was looking incredibly solid with the Canna CHiellini double act. Losing the old man with the cheeky smile has affected us quite dramatically, as Legro is not at all near the same standard as the man he has been replacing of late...
Our right back is a problem area, but I can see Ciro's problem...Grygera, Sali and Zebina have all been in and out of the treatment room. Which leaves only Caceres...as constantly fit. And he is a player who needs to be brought into the first team, if at all, very very slowly. Failing to make the grade at Barca suggests that he needs time, patience and a softly softly approach. NOT straight in at the deep end...Though, I don't understand why he hasn't been given any time at centreback, just to see what he can do, in the absence of Cannavaro. Admittedly, thats a risk...but why bring him to the club, citing his versatility as a major reason for the deal, unless we are going to make use of his ability to play anywhere across the back line.
The biggest shame, for the defence, has been Sali's injury layoff. Whilst he is far from spectacular, he always seems to provide consistency wherever he plays. And he is a reliable option for the left or tight back roles...
When we have Cannavarro and Sali back in contention, with Zebina gaining more match sharpness, then, I hope we will start looking a lot more solid, winning games well before the final whistle, which will allow Ciro to try Caceres.
Melo has been immense, in flashes, but does not perform particularly well with Poulsen and Camo for company. He needs more muscle and devotion to accompany him in the middle...Camo has been superb, in even shorter lasting, more sporadically appearing flashes and his attitude, more often than not, has been appalling for a professional footballer paid thousands of pounds per week to perform...Too many times have I seen him strolling around the pitch, remonstrating with himself, while the opposition walks by him, with the ball at their feet...thankfully, we have Marchisio, Momo, and Tiago to return to the middle of the park.
Tiago definitely becomes more than a shadow of his former great self when he is playing in a central trio....Marchisio is preferable, as his work rate is more intense. And as for Momo...with the spaces that seem to keep appearing in our midfield, is looking increasingly ESSENTIAL to any hopes of improving our form. For me, Melo and Momo will be definite starters when both fit...
It is wrong to judge Diego on what he has done so far. He was injured preseason, then injured again recently. He is also playing behind a presently disastrous Amauri and hard working but lacking ball control Iaquinta. We are missing Del Piero, savagely...Diego behind DP and Trez, is surely the most perfect offensive mix we can put together??? As for Amauri...I think that a few thousand more juventini are beginning to agree with my former assertion that he has yet to prove he is worth anything close to what we paid for him. I am not pleased about his shocking form...and I desperately want to see him improve. But watching him on the pitch this season has rarely been a pleasurable experience...As others have mentioned, we need a mix in attack of flair and brute force. We have been playing two target men, yet we have Giovinco who can take DP's place...
We have had too many injuries to blame Ciro for our current lack of form. The only mistakes I would point out...:
Failing to give Caceres a shot at centreback, whilst Canna is injured and Legro is...well..Legro.
Failing to decide on a first choice strike partnership in the absence of Del Piero, and also, of failing to give Giovinco a chance in attack.
Other than these issues...which can all be reasoned out, I see the absence, and lack of match sharpness, of Del Piero, Tiago, Cannavaro, Momo, Diego, Marchisio, Trezeguet, Zebina and the disgusting form of Amauri, as the key reasons for our current wallowing in the mire. Also...Molinaro should NEVER get a game.
That DP, Tiago, Canna, Momo, Diego, Marchisio, Zebina,Trez group would all be in MY FIRST TEAM...We need those players fit and match sharp before we can truly judge Ciro. We have time now, at least to get the players fitter, before the next Serie A game...and all is definitely not lost...yet!
(the main positive for me, has been BUFFON's return to 'greatest goalkeeper in the galaxy'...
Ferrara keep starting Amauri whether Amauri is not scoring for us in the last 7months, while Giovinco get benched after several average performances (average but not worse).. I don't understand it, why not trying Gio as SS or AM with Diego.
The substitution looks like that Ferrara has just give up in this match..
Diego - DC, Camo - Trez, Zebina - Grygera
He subs off all our creative midfielder for striker, but don't think how can all of our striker getting the service.. Also change an attacking FB with the defensive one
and about the winger, we might can bring back Iago rather than he play in Bari Primavera.. Ferrara can try him if he choose to have formation with winger..
The substitution looks like that Ferrara has just give up in this match..
Diego - DC, Camo - Trez, Zebina - Grygera
He subs off all our creative midfielder for striker, but don't think how can all of our striker getting the service.. Also change an attacking FB with the defensive one
and about the winger, we might can bring back Iago rather than he play in Bari Primavera.. Ferrara can try him if he choose to have formation with winger..
I was really worried when Simplicio took Diego out of the game and then nobody could create any offense. Not even return a 1-2. It is true what some posters are sying that there is no need for two "finishing/big" type strikers when they don't even get the chances and there are no good crosses (most of them frontal!). So it should be interesting to put Diego with somebody who can play with him up front (not from he back like Camo).
Poulsen was definetly out of position, he should be Melo's sub at best. Tiago would have been better.
Regardless of all that, you could see the hunger in Palermo's players not like Juve's. And Legro is not THAT bad, he was good against Bayern.
Poulsen was definetly out of position, he should be Melo's sub at best. Tiago would have been better.
Regardless of all that, you could see the hunger in Palermo's players not like Juve's. And Legro is not THAT bad, he was good against Bayern.
I'll definitely agree with that.
Sali is a money pit. He's nougat, filler, bondo, toothpaste. He almost never adds anything to a match, which I think is the very reason to keep him on the bench. I think you're smoking too much of your own avatar on this one.
What bothers me is that he seems to have the Boumsong Disease: meaning, he could play well for 80 minutes of a match. But for 10 minutes, his head is off on Mars somewhere while the other team takes advantage of his complete mental and physical lapse of presence and focus.
But lack of form can't explain Ciro's puzzling decisions for the starting squad and subsequent subs.
And thankful for that. It would have been 4-0 without him today.
Sali is a money pit. He's nougat, filler, bondo, toothpaste. He almost never adds anything to a match, which I think is the very reason to keep him on the bench. I think you're smoking too much of your own avatar on this one.
What bothers me is that he seems to have the Boumsong Disease: meaning, he could play well for 80 minutes of a match. But for 10 minutes, his head is off on Mars somewhere while the other team takes advantage of his complete mental and physical lapse of presence and focus.
But lack of form can't explain Ciro's puzzling decisions for the starting squad and subsequent subs.
And thankful for that. It would have been 4-0 without him today.
Guys, lets not get ahead of ourselves...
We lost tonight.. We are all pissed off. I still have faith in Ferrara.
One major problem is exhaustion due to our injury problems. We have been playing the same players for 2 months now almost 2 games a week. Something gotta give.
Lets see how things go in the next game.
Forza Juve
We lost tonight.. We are all pissed off. I still have faith in Ferrara.
One major problem is exhaustion due to our injury problems. We have been playing the same players for 2 months now almost 2 games a week. Something gotta give.
Lets see how things go in the next game.
Forza Juve
Guys, lets not get ahead of ourselves...
We lost tonight.. We are all pissed off. I still have faith in Ferrara.
One major problem is exhaustion due to our injury problems. We have been playing the same players for 2 months now almost 2 games a week. Something gotta give.
Lets see how things go in the next game.
Forza Juve
We lost tonight.. We are all pissed off. I still have faith in Ferrara.
One major problem is exhaustion due to our injury problems. We have been playing the same players for 2 months now almost 2 games a week. Something gotta give.
Lets see how things go in the next game.
Forza Juve
Keep the faith, chins up lads Juve will bounce back:flag1:
Individually, our midfield is capable of playing so much better. Y do they play like amateurs together? Fitness? Tactics? Coach?
Poor off the ball movement, absolutely no creativity or intelligence, and they all get in each other’s way. Camo drifts wherever he pleases, Poulsen looks lost, and Melo carries to heavy a burden. Alen brought up a good point. Melo is forced into wonder passes b/c his options are non existent. I’m not taking the blame off him, but the issue with Melo is a symptom of a larger problem.
As for Diego, our style of play these past few matches completely nullifies the use of a trequartista. It doesn't matter who is there. Not much he can do when there is no passing, no movement, no link up, etc.
Defensively, no unity at all. 4 players with their own mind, and with Chiellini, no mind at all. I hate to pick on Giorgio because he is the least problematic of them all, but I expect better from him. I’m tired of his surging runs. Contributes nothing and leaves us vulnerable. He has done it every game this season. He didn’t have this superhero mentality last year. He needs to screw his head back on and start worrying about leading our defense, which was the worst I have seen in a long time. Extremely luck to not have lost by more goals. The number of times our defense was left scrambling on fast breaks is extremely worrying. I can’t remember the last time a team had that many 3 on 2 or 2 on 1 breaks against us.
Iaquinta is too predictable, and to eager for goal that he robs better placed teammates of scoring chances. Amauri can’t combine with anymore it seems. Also, they both seem happy with their teammates sending endless hospital balls to them, and when the pass is actually a good 1, they are either offside or give up trying to reach it.
Ciro was horrible. His subs put Ranieri to shame, and based on how lethargic and boring we play, I’m starting to question his ability as a coach.
Poor off the ball movement, absolutely no creativity or intelligence, and they all get in each other’s way. Camo drifts wherever he pleases, Poulsen looks lost, and Melo carries to heavy a burden. Alen brought up a good point. Melo is forced into wonder passes b/c his options are non existent. I’m not taking the blame off him, but the issue with Melo is a symptom of a larger problem.
As for Diego, our style of play these past few matches completely nullifies the use of a trequartista. It doesn't matter who is there. Not much he can do when there is no passing, no movement, no link up, etc.
Defensively, no unity at all. 4 players with their own mind, and with Chiellini, no mind at all. I hate to pick on Giorgio because he is the least problematic of them all, but I expect better from him. I’m tired of his surging runs. Contributes nothing and leaves us vulnerable. He has done it every game this season. He didn’t have this superhero mentality last year. He needs to screw his head back on and start worrying about leading our defense, which was the worst I have seen in a long time. Extremely luck to not have lost by more goals. The number of times our defense was left scrambling on fast breaks is extremely worrying. I can’t remember the last time a team had that many 3 on 2 or 2 on 1 breaks against us.
Iaquinta is too predictable, and to eager for goal that he robs better placed teammates of scoring chances. Amauri can’t combine with anymore it seems. Also, they both seem happy with their teammates sending endless hospital balls to them, and when the pass is actually a good 1, they are either offside or give up trying to reach it.
Ciro was horrible. His subs put Ranieri to shame, and based on how lethargic and boring we play, I’m starting to question his ability as a coach.
gotta love what eone is posting bcuz its all true
melo imo is an immense player and the fact that hes such a vital part of a tremendous brazilian squad says a lot bout him but he does lose concentration in osme vital moments like today when he got dispossesed in the middle of the park and palermo scored but playing in such a lacklustre midfield is only going to make his flaws more apparent which are minimal compared to the lazy attitude those around him are showing
it really sux how our team is dependent on two players in their mid 30's
the way we play makes our team not worth watching and as juve is a great club it is a bitter disappointment that we havent lived up to that reputation for a couple seasons now and just as we thought after this mercato that our problems were a thing of the past it appears this season so far weve got even more issues to deal with
wake the fuck up ciro!!young players like de ceglie,giovinco,caceres are rotting on the bench while older players like camo,legro,amauri and poulsen are running out of gas
melo imo is an immense player and the fact that hes such a vital part of a tremendous brazilian squad says a lot bout him but he does lose concentration in osme vital moments like today when he got dispossesed in the middle of the park and palermo scored but playing in such a lacklustre midfield is only going to make his flaws more apparent which are minimal compared to the lazy attitude those around him are showing
it really sux how our team is dependent on two players in their mid 30's
the way we play makes our team not worth watching and as juve is a great club it is a bitter disappointment that we havent lived up to that reputation for a couple seasons now and just as we thought after this mercato that our problems were a thing of the past it appears this season so far weve got even more issues to deal with
wake the fuck up ciro!!young players like de ceglie,giovinco,caceres are rotting on the bench while older players like camo,legro,amauri and poulsen are running out of gas
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