Serie A: Juventus vs Roma [Feb 16 , 2008] (25 Viewers)

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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The first half was some of the best football we played all season considering the opposition, and that is only because Ranieri FINALLY decided to play to our strengths and field our three strikers. The movement was not lackluster as it usually is, and the interchanges between Camoranesi and Del Piero were superb. We couldn't get a goal off of some of those good moves but the goals will come once we are more familiar with such a formation. So kudos to Ranieri for finally growing a pair.

But that now leads me to this... why the hell was Camoranesi substituted? Why the hell put on Nocerino instead of Sissoko? Why on earth do we have to play three defensive midfielders just to win a match against Roma at home?

At half-time I was going to praise Ranieri for fielding such a starting XI, but with those substitutions I am not particulary happy. It's always something with Ranieri; something that fails to make sense. The scoreline could have been different after half-time if Chiellini wasn't in the side and if Roma took some of their chances. Some people will tell you that the three defensive midfielders were needed, maybe they were, but once Nocerino came on the pitch we couldn't string any passes together. This player is almost worthless out on the pitch for us at the moment, so taking off Mauro and putting Antonio on really destroyed our game. We took a big chance in reformulating our play half-time, but luckily Roma didn't score. If Camoranesi was still on the pitch we could have kept up our tempo going forward and caused Roma a bunch of problems, which is a defensive tactic within itself. We really looked terrible in the second half and that's because of Ranieri's substitions, like usual.

Great win despite the horrid second half, though, and thank you to our captain who once again won us a match with his individual brilliance. Anybody who doesn't have the utmost respect for Alessandro Del Piero is a fucking goddamn retard.

Buffon - 7 - Good save on the De Rossi freekick, and was solid when called upon.

Zebina - 6.5 - I love seeing this player run forward as it seems like nobody can handle his speed and strength. He didn't make too many errors at the back either, in fact I don't remember one.

Legrottaglie - 6 - He made some good interventions but when he hit the post that could have really killed us. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt though as I've been in those situations before... not easy.

Chiellini - 7 - Pillar of strength at the back and cleared many dangerous balls.

Molinaro - 5.5 - He still doesn't have a clue how to play an offside trap, and once again his crosses were terrible and his positional sense is that of someone in middle school. Same old same old from this useless dolt.

Camoranesi - 7 - Great stuff before he was taken off. He was very active and won many balls back in Roma's third.

Zanetti - 6.5 - Solid as usual.

Nedved - 6.5 - Great running as usual and was causing Roma's right side some serious problems.

Del Piero - 8 - Really just amazing up top once again. The plays ran through him and he created most of our chances, like usual. Without him we'd be in 6th place.

Iaquinta (Yack) - 6 - Made some good runs but wasn't on the end of many chances.

Trezeguet - 6 - Same as Yack.

Nocerino - 5.5 - Sure he made a couple good tackles and a couple bad ones, but his crosses are just terrible and I don't know why he was brought on in the first place. IMO he's useless to us right now.

Sissoko - 6 - He made a couple crucial interventions and it's obvious he's a better destroyer than Nocerino. His power in midfield will be very useful for years to come.

Palladingo - NA

Ranieri - First Half: 7 Second Half: 4 - Like I said, there is always something wrong with his decisions.

Good win overall and I'm happy for the boys. FORZA JUVE.
 

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Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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I still remember Andy giving Iaquinta the lowest possible rating in the match against Livorno even though he scored 2 goals and assisted one in only 30 minutes played.
Many other members couldn't stop attacking Iaquinta no matter how he played.
They stopped it only when they realized they look silly attacking the man who saves our butts match after match.
They still don't praise him, though.
What? That's not true.

When I say thank you to Del Piero, Zanetti, Nedved and Iaquinta, it means I'm praising Iaquinta too, you know.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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Also, i'd like to add that i'd give my right hand for a new left back, but it doesn't mean i have to be biased whenever i talk about Molinaro.
No matter what he does some of the members here will attack him.
When Molinaro has a good game, come back to us.

Every match barring one he's been a total waste of space.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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What? That's not true.

When I say thank you to Del Piero, Zanetti, Nedved and Iaquinta, it means I'm praising Iaquinta too, you know.
What's not true ?
That you didn't give Iaquinta the lowest ranking on that match vs Livorno or that you don't praise him ?
Because i didn't say You don't praise him, i said some members. And i certainly didn't mean to say "Andy doesn't praise him"

But you certainly did give him the lowest ranking on that match vs Livorno.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,235
What's not true ?
That you didn't give Iaquinta the lowest ranking on that match vs Livorno or that you don't praise him ?
Because i didn't say You don't praise him, i said some members. And i certainly didn't mean to say "Andy doesn't praise him"

But you certainly did give him the lowest ranking on that match vs Livorno.
You mean the match a few weeks ago?

I gave Iaquinta and Nocerino both a five. The former came on as a sub.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Molinaro is NOT improving by the way.

He had four crosses yesterday and all of them were TERRIBLE.

And he still has no clue what a fucking offsides trap is supposed to be.
 

JCK

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JCK
May 11, 2004
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If that's the case, then subbing Camoranesi was fine.

But putting on Nocerino was just dumb. The player is so off form it's ridiculous.
I am sure you agree with me that Tiago for Camoranesi would have been the best choice as it wouldn't have ruined the game tactics.
 

Alen

Ѕenior Аdmin
Apr 2, 2007
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Okay, but the goals he scored were nothing special. And apart from the goals, judging by my report, his performance wasn't that good. :shifty:
Lol, sorry man for getting you involved in this discussion but i just had to in order to prove to snoop and cronios that when some players are disliked they'll be bashed no matter how they play.
It's true that Iaquinta wasn't brilliant but in less than 30 minutes (he played only in the last 1/3 of the match) he scored 2 goals, he made an assist, the penalty was over him and from 1:0 we made it 5:1 right after he was introduced.
And yet according to your ratings he was our worst player on the field :p

Similar things are now happening to poor Molinaro and to Ranieri. Apart from Lampard who likes Ranieri i don't think anyone else here is fond of Molinaro and CR. But a little objectivity from time to time won't hurt.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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Lol, sorry man for getting you involved in this discussion but i just had to in order to prove to snoop and cronios that when some players are disliked they'll be bashed no matter how they play.
It's true that Iaquinta wasn't brilliant but in less than 30 minutes (he played only in the last 1/3 of the match) he scored 2 goals, he made an assist, the penalty was over him and from 1:0 we made it 5:1 right after he was introduced.
And yet according to your ratings he was our worst player on the field :p

Similar things are now happening to poor Molinaro and to Ranieri. Apart from Lampard who likes Ranieri i don't think anyone else here is fond of Molinaro and CR. But a little objectivity from time to time won't hurt.
Okay, fine. Maybe my rankings were not up to par.

But Iaquinta took a dive to win that penalty. Perhaps that's why I gave him such a low score... ?
 
May 22, 2007
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I don't know about swag, but when Molinaro will play terrible i won't stop attacking that particular performance (just like i did whenever he played bad)

And that's exactly the difference between some members here. I praise the players when they play well and i criticize them when they play bad.
Some members on the other hand attack certain players no matter how they play. That's bias snoop, no matter what you say i call it bias.
Molinaro and Ranieri are the latest victims. Iaquinta was the previous one.

I still remember Andy giving Iaquinta the lowest possible rating in the match against Livorno even though he scored 2 goals and assisted one in only 30 minutes played.
Many other members couldn't stop attacking Iaquinta no matter how he played.
They stopped it only when they realized they look silly attacking the man who saves our butts match after match.
They still don't praise him, though.
If a player plays 90% of his games woefully, and the other games good, then I will obviously think that he is not a very good player on the whole. Molinaro might have his good game every other 3 matches, but really, we can replace him with another person easily. Chiellini's natural position is left back, as I have said countless times before, so we should put him there. We signed Stendardo for defense, and he would have easily slotted into the center for Giorgio.

Iaquinta was good before he came here, I never understood the hate for him. He was proven at Udinese as their captain, and we did well to get him. Molinaro isn't to me. We bring him up from playing relegation football at Siena to top table football here and I don't think he is good enough. If he starts to put in 70% good games to 30% bad then I will change my mind.
 

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