Serie A: Juventus vs Roma [Feb 16 , 2008] (8 Viewers)
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First of all - he didn't. I don't remember some mega performance by Giuly and i don't remember Giuly making an immediate impact.
Second - Giuly is one of the fastest players in serie A, maybe the fastest of them all. And when you introduce him in the 3rd part of the match, when his opponent already played 60 minutes and ran more than 7km's, he'll always be hard to stop.
This is exactly what i'm talking about Cronios. Even when some players certain members here don't like, play good, these same members won't give them the credit they deserve but they'll find every possible excuse to minimize and play down their achievements.
Yeah right, Molinaro played well only because his opponent was bad.
Can't we say it the other way around ? Taddei was bad because he wasn't given any space and because he was perfectly covered ?
Because if it was Chiellini at LB all of us would have praised him for shutting down Taddei.
Second - Giuly is one of the fastest players in serie A, maybe the fastest of them all. And when you introduce him in the 3rd part of the match, when his opponent already played 60 minutes and ran more than 7km's, he'll always be hard to stop.
This is exactly what i'm talking about Cronios. Even when some players certain members here don't like, play good, these same members won't give them the credit they deserve but they'll find every possible excuse to minimize and play down their achievements.
Yeah right, Molinaro played well only because his opponent was bad.
Can't we say it the other way around ? Taddei was bad because he wasn't given any space and because he was perfectly covered ?
Because if it was Chiellini at LB all of us would have praised him for shutting down Taddei.
Well, I can tell who has the fan clubs and who has the hate clubs here. But I'll leave my own judgments on player performances to fall out here.
First half we came out quite aggressive. Very Roma-like even. Roma looked pretty flat-footed. In fact, for the whole match they seemed rather uninspired. Totti was generally a ghost, Mancini couldn't do his usual damage, Taddei got shut down by (Holy Moli!) Molinaro of all people. In the first half we created more and better chances, IMO. Props to Ranieri for playing the trident.
On the negative side in the first half, I lost count of how many times we were exposed with inferior numbers on the right flank in Zebina's area. For one, Zebina was often not there. For another, Roma would double up with 4-5 attackers and we'd have 2-3 guys stranded out there. Horrible exposure, and we're lucky that it didn't burn us.
By the second half with the one goal lead, we took our foot off the gas. Roma dominated possession, and for about a 25-minute span, we seemed content with that.
Sure, we put up a 4-4-2 with the subs to replace the trident, but it took a good half hour before we thought of at least creating a decent counterattack to keep them honest. We gave up endless corner kick after corner kick. But the ref wasn't helping either -- in the second half it seemed he was awarding practically every foul in Roma's favor.
The defense held up. Shockingly, since I would have thought we'd needed at least two goals for the three points.
In the end, a lot of negatives in the game, but more positives, IMO. This is perhaps the first time we played truly worthy, elite competition and looked worthy of the victory (even if Roma didn't look worthy of anything last night).
Buffon - 6.5 - Didn't have to do a ton, but made some key saves (some of his best didn't even count -- for kick-outs by Legro or late offsides calls for a deep shot by De Rossi).
Zebina - 6 - Generally played a smart game for him, which is usually the best we can ask from him. Made the right safe plays in knocking the ball out. Held up to his defensive challenges. Move the ball forward, but as often is the case, couldn't creatively do much with it once it was there. Less upfront movement than Molinaro too (but it's not his fault that Molinaro is that much younger and can cover the length of the field like a puppy.) And here's where I might differ from others: he also had a hand in the zonal defensive errors in the first half that totally exposed us to the right of Gigi. We were lucky not to get smoked by his positional absence (he essentially "pulled a Molinaro" a few times).
Legrottaglie - 6.5 - Generally good form from the back. Didn't allow much to come through center. Maybe his kick save after DP's goal was more than a bit risky, but perhaps less risky than letting the ball through and hoping a diving Gigi would be able to put a stop on it.
Chiellini - 7 - Our whole defense plays better when he's back there. Great command of the ball and faced down anything that came at him.
Molinaro - 6.5 - I thought he played a solid game on defense and did little offensively. Defensively, he was consistently winning balls from Taddei and frustrating him. Dare I say, he almost owned the guy today. I didn't see any defensive mistakes either, other than one where he fouled to ensure it wouldn't get any worse. Upfield, again a lot of ball movement but not enough delivery. He laid more crosses than others in the right part of the field, but was completely unaware that his teammates weren't there at the time. There's some coordination issue here. But as bad as he is upfront, it could be worse: he could be Zebina.
Camoranesi - 6.5 - I can't put my finger on it, but there's a dynamic to the ball flow in midfield that he really helps. And it showed today in the first half.
Zanetti - 6 - Workmanlike day for him. Needed to do a lot more in the second half to win balls and get us back in possession.
Nedved - 7.5 - The guy played like he was five years younger for as long as he could. He pounced on balls, won balls in midfield, and consistently sent our boys running the other way towards goal. His heads-up play resulted in the foul that lead to DP's FK goal, and you have to believe that we should have scored if not for the foul. A real engine out there.
Iaquinta - 6.5 - I love how this guy chases down balls with breakneck speed. In the first half, his sprint to keep the ball in bounds and ultimately win a nice FK for DP near the box at the goal line was a fine example. And that finish on Trez's nice assist was unlucky.
Del Piero - 7.5 - Even though I scored Nedved at the same level, I have to give him MOM for what he has done for the victory. Yes, many of his crosses were even poorer than Molinaro's at times yesterday (no exaggeration folks -- take the rosy sunglasses off and watch the tape). But when he lined up for that FK, you just knew something was up. And he was gold. Good as gold. In the end, he made the difference in this match. And while much of his sacrifice was winning fouls, defending his heart out, and not being as creative as he has been in some games, a perfect captain's performance for such a big game.
Trezeguet - 6.5 - This guy is always controversial for points when he doesn't score. But he only gets a few seconds with the ball in a match. IMO, the team didn't do enough to get it to him. His best touch was the heads-up assist to Iaquinta. But his other touches were very productive as well. If you were to look at the productivity-per-touch ratio, he probably still lead the team yesterday -- just that the touches were few and far between.
Subs:
Nocerino - 5.5 - Didn't add much at all to the game, and the tide of the whole match shifted when he came on. Partly, I blame Ranieri for that because the guy is so much less effective on the right wing than when playing more in the center. But he really didn't look match fit today. Still, I won't call for his loan.
Sissoko - 6.5 - A bit punishing at close range, but I liked that. Aggressive in his challenges. Won balls and dumped it off.
Palladino - NR - Not on long enough.
Coach:
Ranieri - 6 - Big points for the trident, the team he started with on the field, and for winning a big match against big competition. Negatives for trying to defend a 1-0 lead on Roma, and for putting in Nocerino in where he was asked to play on the dreaded right side again and it almost cost us. Nedved was a needed sub, but I though Trez should have been left on.
First half we came out quite aggressive. Very Roma-like even. Roma looked pretty flat-footed. In fact, for the whole match they seemed rather uninspired. Totti was generally a ghost, Mancini couldn't do his usual damage, Taddei got shut down by (Holy Moli!) Molinaro of all people. In the first half we created more and better chances, IMO. Props to Ranieri for playing the trident.
On the negative side in the first half, I lost count of how many times we were exposed with inferior numbers on the right flank in Zebina's area. For one, Zebina was often not there. For another, Roma would double up with 4-5 attackers and we'd have 2-3 guys stranded out there. Horrible exposure, and we're lucky that it didn't burn us.
By the second half with the one goal lead, we took our foot off the gas. Roma dominated possession, and for about a 25-minute span, we seemed content with that.
Sure, we put up a 4-4-2 with the subs to replace the trident, but it took a good half hour before we thought of at least creating a decent counterattack to keep them honest. We gave up endless corner kick after corner kick. But the ref wasn't helping either -- in the second half it seemed he was awarding practically every foul in Roma's favor.The defense held up. Shockingly, since I would have thought we'd needed at least two goals for the three points.
In the end, a lot of negatives in the game, but more positives, IMO. This is perhaps the first time we played truly worthy, elite competition and looked worthy of the victory (even if Roma didn't look worthy of anything last night).
Buffon - 6.5 - Didn't have to do a ton, but made some key saves (some of his best didn't even count -- for kick-outs by Legro or late offsides calls for a deep shot by De Rossi).
Zebina - 6 - Generally played a smart game for him, which is usually the best we can ask from him. Made the right safe plays in knocking the ball out. Held up to his defensive challenges. Move the ball forward, but as often is the case, couldn't creatively do much with it once it was there. Less upfront movement than Molinaro too (but it's not his fault that Molinaro is that much younger and can cover the length of the field like a puppy.) And here's where I might differ from others: he also had a hand in the zonal defensive errors in the first half that totally exposed us to the right of Gigi. We were lucky not to get smoked by his positional absence (he essentially "pulled a Molinaro" a few times).
Legrottaglie - 6.5 - Generally good form from the back. Didn't allow much to come through center. Maybe his kick save after DP's goal was more than a bit risky, but perhaps less risky than letting the ball through and hoping a diving Gigi would be able to put a stop on it.
Chiellini - 7 - Our whole defense plays better when he's back there. Great command of the ball and faced down anything that came at him.
Molinaro - 6.5 - I thought he played a solid game on defense and did little offensively. Defensively, he was consistently winning balls from Taddei and frustrating him. Dare I say, he almost owned the guy today. I didn't see any defensive mistakes either, other than one where he fouled to ensure it wouldn't get any worse. Upfield, again a lot of ball movement but not enough delivery. He laid more crosses than others in the right part of the field, but was completely unaware that his teammates weren't there at the time. There's some coordination issue here. But as bad as he is upfront, it could be worse: he could be Zebina.
Camoranesi - 6.5 - I can't put my finger on it, but there's a dynamic to the ball flow in midfield that he really helps. And it showed today in the first half.
Zanetti - 6 - Workmanlike day for him. Needed to do a lot more in the second half to win balls and get us back in possession.
Nedved - 7.5 - The guy played like he was five years younger for as long as he could. He pounced on balls, won balls in midfield, and consistently sent our boys running the other way towards goal. His heads-up play resulted in the foul that lead to DP's FK goal, and you have to believe that we should have scored if not for the foul. A real engine out there.
Iaquinta - 6.5 - I love how this guy chases down balls with breakneck speed. In the first half, his sprint to keep the ball in bounds and ultimately win a nice FK for DP near the box at the goal line was a fine example. And that finish on Trez's nice assist was unlucky.
Del Piero - 7.5 - Even though I scored Nedved at the same level, I have to give him MOM for what he has done for the victory. Yes, many of his crosses were even poorer than Molinaro's at times yesterday (no exaggeration folks -- take the rosy sunglasses off and watch the tape). But when he lined up for that FK, you just knew something was up. And he was gold. Good as gold. In the end, he made the difference in this match. And while much of his sacrifice was winning fouls, defending his heart out, and not being as creative as he has been in some games, a perfect captain's performance for such a big game.
Trezeguet - 6.5 - This guy is always controversial for points when he doesn't score. But he only gets a few seconds with the ball in a match. IMO, the team didn't do enough to get it to him. His best touch was the heads-up assist to Iaquinta. But his other touches were very productive as well. If you were to look at the productivity-per-touch ratio, he probably still lead the team yesterday -- just that the touches were few and far between.
Subs:
Nocerino - 5.5 - Didn't add much at all to the game, and the tide of the whole match shifted when he came on. Partly, I blame Ranieri for that because the guy is so much less effective on the right wing than when playing more in the center. But he really didn't look match fit today. Still, I won't call for his loan.
Sissoko - 6.5 - A bit punishing at close range, but I liked that. Aggressive in his challenges. Won balls and dumped it off.
Palladino - NR - Not on long enough.
Coach:
Ranieri - 6 - Big points for the trident, the team he started with on the field, and for winning a big match against big competition. Negatives for trying to defend a 1-0 lead on Roma, and for putting in Nocerino in where he was asked to play on the dreaded right side again and it almost cost us. Nedved was a needed sub, but I though Trez should have been left on.
There is something wrong here. Either with you or with me.
Because these are the exact same things i'd say
1. I'm also annoyed while watching Nocerino. Last night he was even more handicaped because he had to substitute Camoranesi and there is so much difference in quality and creativity between the two of them, it's not even funny.
It's like Trezeguet replacing Ale as a trequartista.
2. Complete agreement about Molinaro also. He is our only and thus the best, solution for a left back.
And i don't understand some people here. I don't like Molinaro, i don't hate him either so i think i'm watching him objectively. He's not talented at all but his performances lately have been solid. Why do some of you attack him match after match, even when he plays ok ?
He wasn't our worse player yesterday. He was our best defender. I payed attention to it a lot and Molinaro defended better than Chiellini and Legro.
As for his crosses...they aren't good, but why don't you ask yourselves why is he making so many crosses per match ? Is it because he runs the hell out of him and he has enough power to play defense-attack all the time ? Why none of our full backs is so much involved in attack ?
Blame Ranieri if you don't like what you see because it's Ranieri who should tell him to stop making crosses. Don't blame Molinaro.
3. Spot on. Sissoko was a joy to watch yesterday
4. Ranieri did very well yesterday. He gets 8/10 from me
Because these are the exact same things i'd say
1. I'm also annoyed while watching Nocerino. Last night he was even more handicaped because he had to substitute Camoranesi and there is so much difference in quality and creativity between the two of them, it's not even funny.
It's like Trezeguet replacing Ale as a trequartista.
2. Complete agreement about Molinaro also. He is our only and thus the best, solution for a left back.
And i don't understand some people here. I don't like Molinaro, i don't hate him either so i think i'm watching him objectively. He's not talented at all but his performances lately have been solid. Why do some of you attack him match after match, even when he plays ok ?
He wasn't our worse player yesterday. He was our best defender. I payed attention to it a lot and Molinaro defended better than Chiellini and Legro.
As for his crosses...they aren't good, but why don't you ask yourselves why is he making so many crosses per match ? Is it because he runs the hell out of him and he has enough power to play defense-attack all the time ? Why none of our full backs is so much involved in attack ?
Blame Ranieri if you don't like what you see because it's Ranieri who should tell him to stop making crosses. Don't blame Molinaro.
3. Spot on. Sissoko was a joy to watch yesterday
4. Ranieri did very well yesterday. He gets 8/10 from me
And no you are wrong, Molinaro is not our only solution at left back, we have two more players fits there much better than him 1- Chiellini 2- Birindelli, yeah Birindelli he plays on both flanks, he is bad marker, but still he can steal balls and run forward and give excellent crosses and passes..
I didn't see this discussion thread before I wrote my report. Molinaro did shut down Taddei (the exact words I used), and he regularly stole the ball from the guy and sent it upfield.
Giuly was a different situation -- he plays differently from Taddei where Molinaro wasn't his marker as much then on. But Giuly wasn't exactly shining under the Juve defense either.
Molinaro had our best defensive game other than (well, IMO) Chiellini yesterday -- at Chiellini didn't win as many balls.
But some people are happier busting on Molinaro regardless of his performance. And to that, all I can say is :bigscarf:
Giuly was a different situation -- he plays differently from Taddei where Molinaro wasn't his marker as much then on. But Giuly wasn't exactly shining under the Juve defense either.
Molinaro had our best defensive game other than (well, IMO) Chiellini yesterday -- at Chiellini didn't win as many balls.
But some people are happier busting on Molinaro regardless of his performance. And to that, all I can say is :bigscarf:
Uh oh. Looks like I stepped in the juventino-except-for-that-Molinaro-douche club. 
Sorry, snoop. I don't know what you're smoking, but at least I think Molinaro is a far better crosser than Zebina (much better technical skills, but worse mental judgments), is faster (he runs the length of the pitch where many other players do not, including Zebina), and stole far more balls than Zebina yesterday. Hey -- I've been known to say that Zebina couldn't cross in a game of checkers, and I still stand by that assessment.
To Zebina's credit, in the fewer runs he made, he made runs that directly approached goal instead of on the flank and caused the Roma defense to react. Probably not the ideal play for a fullback, but it was a good choice yesterday -- including taking that shot, even if I knew it was going to sky over goal.
Normally Molinaro blows his zone and leaves our flanks exposed because he goes on one of his Sunday jaunts. But yesterday, it was actually Zebina who was guilty of that in the first half. And normally Zebina is more consistent than Molinaro -- you get a sense of what you get with Zebina, but with Molinaro it could be very different one game to the next.
Zebina normally loses his head and hacks some silly foul that gets him red-carded, and he kept that in check yesterday... thankfully. And as much of a hazard as Zebina is when it comes to cards and hacking fouls, I do have to give him credit for not having those moments where Molinaro looks like Big Bird falling down stairs when his clumsy legs get ahead of him. Oddly, though, those Molinaro moments have looked far worse than they've ever turned out -- they're really just an aesthetic criticism, as somehow the guy keeps his balance despite looking like such a lack of grace.
Sorry, snoop. I don't know what you're smoking, but at least I think Molinaro is a far better crosser than Zebina (much better technical skills, but worse mental judgments), is faster (he runs the length of the pitch where many other players do not, including Zebina), and stole far more balls than Zebina yesterday. Hey -- I've been known to say that Zebina couldn't cross in a game of checkers, and I still stand by that assessment.
To Zebina's credit, in the fewer runs he made, he made runs that directly approached goal instead of on the flank and caused the Roma defense to react. Probably not the ideal play for a fullback, but it was a good choice yesterday -- including taking that shot, even if I knew it was going to sky over goal.
Normally Molinaro blows his zone and leaves our flanks exposed because he goes on one of his Sunday jaunts. But yesterday, it was actually Zebina who was guilty of that in the first half. And normally Zebina is more consistent than Molinaro -- you get a sense of what you get with Zebina, but with Molinaro it could be very different one game to the next.
Zebina normally loses his head and hacks some silly foul that gets him red-carded, and he kept that in check yesterday... thankfully. And as much of a hazard as Zebina is when it comes to cards and hacking fouls, I do have to give him credit for not having those moments where Molinaro looks like Big Bird falling down stairs when his clumsy legs get ahead of him. Oddly, though, those Molinaro moments have looked far worse than they've ever turned out -- they're really just an aesthetic criticism, as somehow the guy keeps his balance despite looking like such a lack of grace.
yeah right! Molinaro is the next Zambrotta 
I would love to hear your comments when he is back to his terrible form and ruins the game more, to be honest you are the one being biased against Molinaro, you are comparing his little better performance of yesterday to the rest of terrible matches he had before, one thing is certain, he wasn't the best defender out there, not even the second best!
I would love to hear your comments when he is back to his terrible form and ruins the game more, to be honest you are the one being biased against Molinaro, you are comparing his little better performance of yesterday to the rest of terrible matches he had before, one thing is certain, he wasn't the best defender out there, not even the second best!
Zebina has a decent game, his first in a while without an serious error, and he is praised as as being a good defender and having good skills.
Molinaro has decent game, his first in a while, and it is because the Roma players were bad.
It's funny how Zebina is seen as a great defender (despite being average), and he plays a good game and people praise him and say how good he is, but for Molinaro NOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's only luck.
Molinaro has decent game, his first in a while, and it is because the Roma players were bad.
It's funny how Zebina is seen as a great defender (despite being average), and he plays a good game and people praise him and say how good he is, but for Molinaro NOOOOOOOOOOOOO it's only luck.
I don't know about swag, but when Molinaro will play terrible i won't stop attacking that particular performance (just like i did whenever he played bad)
And that's exactly the difference between some members here. I praise the players when they play well and i criticize them when they play bad.
Some members on the other hand attack certain players no matter how they play. That's bias snoop, no matter what you say i call it bias.
Molinaro and Ranieri are the latest victims. Iaquinta was the previous one.
I still remember Andy giving Iaquinta the lowest possible rating in the match against Livorno even though he scored 2 goals and assisted one in only 30 minutes played.
Many other members couldn't stop attacking Iaquinta no matter how he played.
They stopped it only when they realized they look silly attacking the man who saves our butts match after match.
They still don't praise him, though.
And that's exactly the difference between some members here. I praise the players when they play well and i criticize them when they play bad.
Some members on the other hand attack certain players no matter how they play. That's bias snoop, no matter what you say i call it bias.
Molinaro and Ranieri are the latest victims. Iaquinta was the previous one.
I still remember Andy giving Iaquinta the lowest possible rating in the match against Livorno even though he scored 2 goals and assisted one in only 30 minutes played.
Many other members couldn't stop attacking Iaquinta no matter how he played.
They stopped it only when they realized they look silly attacking the man who saves our butts match after match.
They still don't praise him, though.
yeah right! Molinaro is the next Zambrotta
I would love to hear your comments when he is back to his terrible form and ruins the game more, to be honest you are the one being biased against Molinaro, you are comparing his little better performance of yesterday to the rest of terrible matches he had before, one thing is certain, he wasn't the best defender out there, not even the second best!
I would love to hear your comments when he is back to his terrible form and ruins the game more, to be honest you are the one being biased against Molinaro, you are comparing his little better performance of yesterday to the rest of terrible matches he had before, one thing is certain, he wasn't the best defender out there, not even the second best!
And I've ripped apart Molinaro when he's deserved it. Mostly, because he's left his zone, or plays on the outside of his markee when he should be inside. Or occasionally when he pulled an "Olé!" against the attacker who sidestepped him (much less often, IMO). And if you read my last post, you could hardly say it was all flattery about the player in there.
Offensively, I don't hold that high a standard for my fullbacks, as my Zambrotta comments should indicate. Molinaro started the season with ridiculous crosses that didn't even land in the stadium. But those seem to be fewer and further between these days. His offensive problems seem rooted in a lack of awareness of where his teammates are. Otherwise, I would have to say that when it comes to laying down a cross from the edge of the touch line into the box, technically he's been more than adequate.
He's no Nedved or DP or Camo or Marchionni or Palladino or even Trez for that matter (!). But he's far better than Nocerino at that, better than Brazzo, better than Zanetti should he find himself on the touch line, and better than the rest of the defensive line -- save for the occasional cross-from-nowhere from Chiellini that can be quite stunning (but as long as we have Chiellini playing CB, that ain't gonna happen).
yeah right! Molinaro is the next Zambrotta
I would love to hear your comments when he is back to his terrible form and ruins the game more, to be honest you are the one being biased against Molinaro, you are comparing his little better performance of yesterday to the rest of terrible matches he had before, one thing is certain, he wasn't the best defender out there, not even the second best!
I would love to hear your comments when he is back to his terrible form and ruins the game more, to be honest you are the one being biased against Molinaro, you are comparing his little better performance of yesterday to the rest of terrible matches he had before, one thing is certain, he wasn't the best defender out there, not even the second best!
I agree. I completely agree. Ranieri's only option for the left back is not the topic here. I simply don't want to see Molinaro in Juve jersey anymore. Same goes for Nocerino.
As for Ranieri, I'm not the kind of always-moaning-even-when-we-are-winning one, but we were POOR in the second half and if it wasn't for Ale's brilliance or Totti's OFF night, we wouldn't win this match. The team had the potential to win it much more comfortable and the lads showed it in the first half, but what did happen to the team in the second half Mr. Ranieri?
Since i feel, i have converted you from a Molinaro fan, to a Molinaro "critic":eyebrows: , i ll have to agree for objectiveness sake, that Molinaro had an ok game.
I , an official Molinaro hater, say that Molinaro played well today!
But still, i insist that wonders dont happen, Molinaro played one of his best games, but as i repeated before, he is like a leech that only takes a profit from his teammates good performances and when the situation is up to him, he fails to deliver.
IMO our team performed very well today as a whole, everyone had a much better game than his average, even Molinaro!
If Molinaro was as good, as he was yesterday, at every single game of the season, i would never complain about his performances, even if he doesnt improve his crosses a bit. With other words, i m pleased with his performance, thats why i also followed his performance carefully during the game.
He literally owned Taddei and when so many balls, as never before, Taddei admitted that he had a very bad game and he can much much better than that.
I have seen him play against superior players and i know thats true, he and Totti simply werent themselves yesterday and it was because of CR tactics or Molinaro's performance, it happens. If you carefully watch the match again, you will see that Molinaro never deposed Giuly and never stopped him to make a cross or a run, into our box, Giuly had all the time to make the difference and thankfully for us,he wasnt in the mood,just like the rest of the Roma team.
And right after super Neddy got subbed our, our left flank died right away, among with Molinaro. IMO that proves smth and i do not accept the "tired" excuse, as Neddy was fit up until his last minute and Molinaro is a decade younger than him!
IF Molinaro was as good against Giuly, as he was against Taddei and if Molinaro managed to keep the same performance without the support of super Neddy,exausting the left wingers, then i would accept that his performance was indeed his and it wasnt based on Taddei's bad day and Neddy's excellent one.
When we judge Molinaro, i think we are all kind of biased, since we know how horrible he is and expect nothing good out of him. Some of us , including me underrate his performances because of his limited skills.
But we shouldnt fell in the trap of, overrate him just because of a decent performance. Molinaro just did his job he is supposed to do yesterday defensively but he seriously sucked again offensively. His limited skills do not allow him of having a good game at any case, he is thaaaaaat bad, even at his best day, he isnt effective going forward, he is our wost full back at this sector by faaar.
He simply cant have a decent game overall, i m not saying that goal's opinion is more objective than ours:
"Molinaro – 5.0: Positionally Molinaro is quite simply awful. Repeatedly went AWOL to gift the likes of Cassetti and Giuly acres of space. Cicinho would have eaten Molinaro alive in the second half if he had played. "
but the truth is somewhere in the middle, we tend to be jubilant when Molinaro manages, to come up with a half decent performance and overrate him for being better than usual, just because he brought down our standards for a LB, very very low. Other tend to underrate him when they first discover his horrible skills.
I would say that Molinaro played better than he usually plays and he improved his quality of game more than the rest of our defenders but i wouldnt go as far saying that he was our best defender!:burke:
I , an official Molinaro hater, say that Molinaro played well today!
But still, i insist that wonders dont happen, Molinaro played one of his best games, but as i repeated before, he is like a leech that only takes a profit from his teammates good performances and when the situation is up to him, he fails to deliver.
IMO our team performed very well today as a whole, everyone had a much better game than his average, even Molinaro!
If Molinaro was as good, as he was yesterday, at every single game of the season, i would never complain about his performances, even if he doesnt improve his crosses a bit. With other words, i m pleased with his performance, thats why i also followed his performance carefully during the game.
He literally owned Taddei and when so many balls, as never before, Taddei admitted that he had a very bad game and he can much much better than that.
I have seen him play against superior players and i know thats true, he and Totti simply werent themselves yesterday and it was because of CR tactics or Molinaro's performance, it happens. If you carefully watch the match again, you will see that Molinaro never deposed Giuly and never stopped him to make a cross or a run, into our box, Giuly had all the time to make the difference and thankfully for us,he wasnt in the mood,just like the rest of the Roma team.
And right after super Neddy got subbed our, our left flank died right away, among with Molinaro. IMO that proves smth and i do not accept the "tired" excuse, as Neddy was fit up until his last minute and Molinaro is a decade younger than him!
IF Molinaro was as good against Giuly, as he was against Taddei and if Molinaro managed to keep the same performance without the support of super Neddy,exausting the left wingers, then i would accept that his performance was indeed his and it wasnt based on Taddei's bad day and Neddy's excellent one.
When we judge Molinaro, i think we are all kind of biased, since we know how horrible he is and expect nothing good out of him. Some of us , including me underrate his performances because of his limited skills.
But we shouldnt fell in the trap of, overrate him just because of a decent performance. Molinaro just did his job he is supposed to do yesterday defensively but he seriously sucked again offensively. His limited skills do not allow him of having a good game at any case, he is thaaaaaat bad, even at his best day, he isnt effective going forward, he is our wost full back at this sector by faaar.
He simply cant have a decent game overall, i m not saying that goal's opinion is more objective than ours:
"Molinaro – 5.0: Positionally Molinaro is quite simply awful. Repeatedly went AWOL to gift the likes of Cassetti and Giuly acres of space. Cicinho would have eaten Molinaro alive in the second half if he had played. "
but the truth is somewhere in the middle, we tend to be jubilant when Molinaro manages, to come up with a half decent performance and overrate him for being better than usual, just because he brought down our standards for a LB, very very low. Other tend to underrate him when they first discover his horrible skills.
I would say that Molinaro played better than he usually plays and he improved his quality of game more than the rest of our defenders but i wouldnt go as far saying that he was our best defender!:burke:
What is going on here?Now people stating that Molinaro is God or something?He`s better than Zebina?
umpkin: I`ll admit I don`t Molinaro at all and I always stated we should sell him and find his replacement.Still I remember he had one good match this season(I really don`t know which one was that) but I rated him good.So no,I am not giving them bad ratings just because I hate them.Same goes for Ranieri.If they do something good I`ll praise them but I really don`t see any reason so far.I am giving some credit to Ranieri for starting very good against Roma but in second half everything came back to normal and yet again next weekend we`ll play 4-4-2 and probably see another idiotic formation from our Mr.Stinkerman.
I rate Molinaro as solid for yesterdays match.He owned Taddei.Let`s say again...he owed fu*king Taddie and I am not going to praise him for that.Why?Because he`s worst player in Roma so far.He`s slow and can`t do anything right.He did help out our defence few times but that`s his job.But when he comes on their half of the pitch...OMG he fu*king awful.He can`t do anything!In attack he looks like he`s headless.Molinaro stole many balls?And how many times he screwed with the same balls that he won?Yet again I`ll say I am not bashing him just because I don`t like him.
Some of you guys are really getting pathetic.
We won, got the three points and Buffon had a clean sheet.
But it just doesn't make any fucking sense to keep saying over and over again that Molinaro sucks and not give him any credit if he has a decent game.
Should we bash him every time when he plays decent because the last match he sucked?
I don't think the lad has got more in his game, you can discuss about it but thats just a fact.
So we have to live with it and wait untill next season to see and hope that Juve buys a better DL. Untill that moment, spend your time on more important things then to keep saying the same shit over and over
We won, got the three points and Buffon had a clean sheet.
But it just doesn't make any fucking sense to keep saying over and over again that Molinaro sucks and not give him any credit if he has a decent game.
Should we bash him every time when he plays decent because the last match he sucked?
I don't think the lad has got more in his game, you can discuss about it but thats just a fact.
So we have to live with it and wait untill next season to see and hope that Juve buys a better DL. Untill that moment, spend your time on more important things then to keep saying the same shit over and over
Uh oh. Looks like I stepped in the juventino-except-for-that-Molinaro-douche club.
Sorry, snoop. I don't know what you're smoking, but at least I think Molinaro is a far better crosser than Zebina (much better technical skills, but worse mental judgments), is faster (he runs the length of the pitch where many other players do not, including Zebina), and stole far more balls than Zebina yesterday. Hey -- I've been known to say that Zebina couldn't cross in a game of checkers, and I still stand by that assessment.
To Zebina's credit, in the fewer runs he made, he made runs that directly approached goal instead of on the flank and caused the Roma defense to react. Probably not the ideal play for a fullback, but it was a good choice yesterday -- including taking that shot, even if I knew it was going to sky over goal.
Normally Molinaro blows his zone and leaves our flanks exposed because he goes on one of his Sunday jaunts. But yesterday, it was actually Zebina who was guilty of that in the first half. And normally Zebina is more consistent than Molinaro -- you get a sense of what you get with Zebina, but with Molinaro it could be very different one game to the next.
Zebina normally loses his head and hacks some silly foul that gets him red-carded, and he kept that in check yesterday... thankfully. And as much of a hazard as Zebina is when it comes to cards and hacking fouls, I do have to give him credit for not having those moments where Molinaro looks like Big Bird falling down stairs when his clumsy legs get ahead of him. Oddly, though, those Molinaro moments have looked far worse than they've ever turned out -- they're really just an aesthetic criticism, as somehow the guy keeps his balance despite looking like such a lack of grace.
Sorry, snoop. I don't know what you're smoking, but at least I think Molinaro is a far better crosser than Zebina (much better technical skills, but worse mental judgments), is faster (he runs the length of the pitch where many other players do not, including Zebina), and stole far more balls than Zebina yesterday. Hey -- I've been known to say that Zebina couldn't cross in a game of checkers, and I still stand by that assessment.
To Zebina's credit, in the fewer runs he made, he made runs that directly approached goal instead of on the flank and caused the Roma defense to react. Probably not the ideal play for a fullback, but it was a good choice yesterday -- including taking that shot, even if I knew it was going to sky over goal.
Normally Molinaro blows his zone and leaves our flanks exposed because he goes on one of his Sunday jaunts. But yesterday, it was actually Zebina who was guilty of that in the first half. And normally Zebina is more consistent than Molinaro -- you get a sense of what you get with Zebina, but with Molinaro it could be very different one game to the next.
Zebina normally loses his head and hacks some silly foul that gets him red-carded, and he kept that in check yesterday... thankfully. And as much of a hazard as Zebina is when it comes to cards and hacking fouls, I do have to give him credit for not having those moments where Molinaro looks like Big Bird falling down stairs when his clumsy legs get ahead of him. Oddly, though, those Molinaro moments have looked far worse than they've ever turned out -- they're really just an aesthetic criticism, as somehow the guy keeps his balance despite looking like such a lack of grace.
Were you really serious when you said Molinaro crosses better than Zebina??
As for Molinaro's performance yesterday, like I said and still think the same way, he didn't give us harms as much as he used to like the past weeks, but still he wasn't our best defender, not even close. If he stops going forward I will stop bashing him, cause whenever he does, he ruins the game, he gives terrible passes, I mean he can pass the ball but not like those smart passes that it improves the attack, he just passes without thinking, he simply can't read the game!
Yes! I agree with you, he is good when stealing balls, maybe a little bit better than Zebina's , but he is the master of losing balls at the same time, which is ruining his work!
Same here, I don't bash Molinaro just because I don't like him, or anyone else. But he is average player at top, he is not a good player, so I don't see any reason to keep him playing, the more he plays the more he will get criticized, simple because he is not on the standards to play for a team like Juve!
As for Iaquinta's two goals (I think you were talking about the first match of the season), not defending Andy here, but yes those two goals were very lucky by Iaquinta, and in that particular game he didn't do 1% of the hard work he gave on the later matches, scoring a goal or two in one game isn't necessarily enough to make a player great, but he sure doesn't deserve a bashing for that.
These results are all the reason some people are still optimist, ofcourse it's a great result, I don't deny that, and somehow Ranieri takes some credit. But it doesn't mean that he was perfect or he didn't do any mistake, just think about that particular moment, when Molinaro was out of his position in the offside trap, the man he "marked" took the ball and gave the pass to Totti, but off-form Totti couldn't reach the ball on the left side but caught it just at the moment the ball passed the touchline, if he was one second faster he could score it, and BANG! Everyone was going to bash Molinaro for his mistake and then bash Ranieri for giving the control to Roma. Once again the luck was on our side, Totti was in bad form, and suddenly the heroes are Ranieri and Molinaro! It's always like that, the only thing matters here is the result..