Serie A: Juventus vs Palermo and the rest of the world [11/25/07] (5 Viewers)

Wings

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It's all about the expectations we have. Pavel and Alex were our best players in Serie B and therefore I'd say their performances this season have been disappointing. Had they been unknown and recently promoted from our primivera, you'd see us praising their performances.
I should have read your post first before replying in my previous post. You put it so much better than I did.
 

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Mar 30, 2006
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how is the manager is responsible for the blunders of refrees this juve side should have been at the top of the table though i agree we dont play as well as we should


well i think we have done great till now. especially considering Nedved has not got going and not played much, Andrade got injured, Leggro is a starter, Tiago and Almiron hardly play, and Zebina acted like a tool and now does not play much either.
 

zann

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May 30, 2004
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that refereeing stuff is starting to get on our confidence levels.
hope our guys can take it as an extra motivation to work harder
 

sateeh

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Jul 28, 2003
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I wont flame you. You're right by saying that our recent displays were not good enough.
In fact if we outplayed our weaker opponents (like Napoli or Parma) we would take three points in these matches no matter what the ref does.

But we're not outplaying our opponents, every match is a thight one, and having referees bitching us everytime makes us loose points. We'd have one point in Napoli, and three against Parma...

Cobolli said today that he was generally satisfied with the team, as he says that we would be close to Inter if it wasn't for the refs.
And, according to him, we can still improve, as the younger players are blending with the champions, and we don't play any european competition which will help us in the long run.
exactly. We played like shit against parma and against napoli (not as bad as parma but still way below par). I know there were ref mistakes but if you play well usually things go your way no matter. The big issue here is the form of the team. Like Ali said if we were against parma and up three nil and they get back to us with 3 dubious decisions then i would overlook the form.
I can't disagree about Del Piero's performances...though it's not as many are describing it, still he has to improve.

But something Ranieri and people should know here is that the way and the systam we're playing our game isn't any good for Del Piero. Del Piero is the kind of player who needs someone like Camoranesi next to him.... To open the game, play some nice passes, one touch etc.

You can't field Del Piero upfront and play the 4-4-2 with crosses and long balls expecting him to be Kanoute on each ball. Thats not his style. He needs someone like a playmaker behind him.

If Nedved or at least Palladino is moved into a playmaker role behind the attackers, Del Piero would surely performe better than his prev games. Thats for sure.
Alex played his best football in the 4-4-2 and in the capello days he didn't have someone behind him even though he didn't have anyone next to him. Alex is trying too much and over complicating every move he is doing.

The moment he needs some creative players to play for him, is the moment that he loses a lot of what made him the player he is. In the past he is the one the created but not he is slowing down the plays, losing the ball too much and even his skills are letting him down. That only happens when a player knows he having a bad patch and its gets to him. Its not the system, however i know that he will turn things around sometime this season i just hope its soon cause we really need him
 

Gazzo

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Jul 9, 2007
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that refereeing stuff is starting to get on our confidence levels.
hope our guys can take it as an extra motivation to work harder
we can but ultimately the moment that changes a game is sadly from the referee, not individual brilliance or teamwork.. that is wats wrong
 
May 22, 2007
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---------------Buffon------------------
Zebina---Legro---Grygera---Brazzo
----------Zanetti----Tiago-------------
Camoranesi------------------Palladino
-------Iaquinta------Trezeguet-------


tbh.
 

Alfio_87

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Nov 21, 2005
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i dont understand how u can make a special formation for one player. Passed his prime, bench Del Piero he needs to know that his current performances dont warrant a starting spot. Play Palladino in his normal position give him the oppurtunity to do what he will do best attack.
 
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Alex played his best football in the 4-4-2 and in the capello days he didn't have someone behind him even though he didn't have anyone next to him. Alex is trying too much and over complicating every move he is doing.
Thats exactly whats happening,we all understand that getting older in football makes u slower & I am not complaining about Alex's speed BUT he must compensate this slowness with playing fast,he must try & put his skills in fast play.
Right now it always seems like he is slowing the whole team with him,every time he touches the ball,he keeps it instead of passing it quickly.
I like it when he dribbles even slowly but he needs to choose the right times to dribble & not do it every time he gets the ball.
He also should work on his fitness.
 

Azzurri7

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Dec 16, 2003
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Alex played his best football in the 4-4-2 and in the capello days he didn't have someone behind him even though he didn't have anyone next to him. Alex is trying too much and over complicating every move he is doing.
Best football? He was performing good in the matches but I wouldn't call that best football under Capello. I don't recall Alex every playing his best football under the 4-4-2.

One of his best ever years in 02-03 under Lippi was when Pavel was playing as a playmaker role behind the attacker and Del Piero infront of him with Zambrotta on the flank. And before Pavel we had Zidane and before Zidane we had others.

4-4-2 isn't suiting Alex, it's pretty obvious.

The moment he needs some creative players to play for him, is the moment that he loses a lot of what made him the player he is. In the past he is the one the created but not he is slowing down the plays, losing the ball too much and even his skills are letting him down. That only happens when a player knows he having a bad patch and its gets to him. Its not the system, however i know that he will turn things around sometime this season i just hope its soon cause we really need him
I'll disagree there, having creative player next to him doesn't mean to do Ale's job, having someone creative would helpy him and Trezeguet with lot of good passes, you can't expect Alex to put the ball infront of him and run 40meters alone, not even Maradona at this age was able to do that.

He needs someone he can have a contact with on the field, Alex is a very creative player and having someone else as creative as he is but younger would be amazing.

Anyway at least If Ranieri wants to continue with his 4-4-2, to change the system of our game, stop playing Palladino and Pavel on the flanks it's not helping at all.
 

Gill_juve

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May 29, 2006
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Best football? He was performing good in the matches but I wouldn't call that best football under Capello. I don't recall Alex every playing his best football under the 4-4-2.

One of his best ever years in 02-03 under Lippi was when Pavel was playing as a playmaker role behind the attacker and Del Piero infront of him with Zambrotta on the flank. And before Pavel we had Zidane and before Zidane we had others.

4-4-2 isn't suiting Alex, it's pretty obvious.



I'll disagree there, having creative player next to him doesn't mean to do Ale's job, having someone creative would helpy him and Trezeguet with lot of good passes, you can't expect Alex to put the ball infront of him and run 40meters alone, not even Maradona at this age was able to do that.

He needs someone he can have a contact with on the field, Alex is a very creative player and having someone else as creative as he is but younger would be amazing.

Anyway at least If Ranieri wants to continue with his 4-4-2, to change the system of our game, stop playing Palladino and Pavel on the flanks it's not helping at all.
well... maybe someone like palladino might have a better chance of doing so.
 

Azzurri7

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This is what you came up with?

We're discussing Ranieri's tactics here and how he's playing his 4-4-2, and why Del Piero hasn't been performing.

This is the brilliant idea you come up with?
 

Gill_juve

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May 29, 2006
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This is what you came up with?

We're discussing Ranieri's tactics here and how he's playing his 4-4-2, and why Del Piero hasn't been performing.

This is the brilliant idea you come up with?
yes. my point is, ranieri is playingt he 4-4-2, regardless of the formation, dp should be effective in any formation, maybe better in some but overall still the same. and if he isnt performing, doesnt mean that its the formation, maybe the player.

and you certainly had some venom in that post, for a new mod, your tone seemed raher ill-toned.
 

Azzurri7

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yes. my point is, ranieri is playingt he 4-4-2, regardless of the formation, dp should be effective in any formation, maybe better in some but overall still the same. and if he isnt performing, doesnt mean that its the formation, maybe the player.

and you certainly had some venom in that post, for a new mod, your tone seemed raher ill-toned.
What my moderation has to do with my post??? I didn't know you were tone specialist.

I've been following Del Piero closely since 12years now, and saying he should be effective at any formation doesn't make sense at all. I can name you 50 world class football players If you play a system and formation that doesn't suit them then you can't expect alot from them.

And If you re-read well before sticking yourself into the posts between mine and sateeh you'll notice that I did say his performance isn't good but I don't blame only his performance but also the formation Ranieri is using. So I'm not criticizing Ranieri and defending him here.
 

Gill_juve

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What my moderation has to do with my post??? I didn't know you were tone specialist.

I've been following Del Piero closely since 12years now, and saying he should be effective at any formation doesn't make sense at all. I can name you 50 world class football players If you play a system and formation that doesn't suit them then you can't expect alot from them.

And If you re-read well before sticking yourself into the posts between mine and sateeh you'll notice that I did say his performance isn't good but I don't blame only his performance but also the formation Ranieri is using. So I'm not criticizing Ranieri and defending him here.
fair point, but dp has never played in the 4-4-2? is that what you mean? because i have seen him play their plenty, i personaally see the 4-4-2 the most effective formation with the players we have.

and seven is right, it's inevitable that you'll fuck up. call me a troll or whatever you want.
 

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