Serie A: Juventus vs Inter [November 4 2007] (27 Viewers)

[Juve per sempre]

I wont get too much into the tactical side of the game, as we clearly lack. I want to thank Andy and Greg for explaining our shortcomings, and saving me 25 minutes of typing !!

What bothers me most is the best thing we have going for us is HEART. I dont know what RUINeri does in his training sessions, but it clearly isnt tactical work, or even the fundamentals of the game. If I can give him any credit for anything, its for having our guys pumped up to play...thats about it.

Zanetti and Nocerino in the center of the midfield worked to a certain point, but we desperately need a playmaker in there who is able to get the ball to the forwards, because Trez only touched the ball twice yesterday...which is unacceptable in my book.

Neddy, as I've said before, is getting old before our eyes, and I cannot believe that he tried to score from 30 plus yards on two occasions yesterday, where he had an unmarked, streaking Nocerino who was clear to the goal

Which brings up the other major flaw I saw yesterday, and several other times this season. Why are we so poor in the final third of the field ? Why dont we ever execute passes to our forwards (namely Trez) in the box ? We always seem to either take the impossible shot from distance, or get the ball taken away from piss-poor passes. I wont even bring up the long-ball syndrome that our team is infected with.

For anyone keeping score, our media-sweetheart Legro was fully responsible for Cruz's goal, and made the same mistake a few moments later with Zlatan, but Chellini was able to bail his ass out of.

As I said before this game, and enough times this season, RUINeri is nothing better than a mid-table EPL coach, and we are playing like a mid-table EPL team....

Top 4 ?? I have my doubts


My ratings-

Buffon 7.5- showed why he is the best in the world

Grygera 5.5- pressed forward and got caught too many times out of position, leaving his side wide opened

Legrottaglie 5.5- his mistake cost us a goal, and luckily his other ones didnt

Chiellini 7.5- was responsible for keeping Zlatan off the scoresheet, and keeping him off his game. This guy is the real deal !! The flying elbow was unneccessary, but I wasnt too upset about it

Molinaro 5.5- how he commands a starting shirt is beyond me... Figo made him look silly too many times. Sell him in January !!

Palladino 6- showed great speed and ball skills, but cannot cross the ball worth anything, and his passing needs improvement. He isnt an outside mid

Nocerino 6- defensively, he's good...he breaks up plays very well, but his passing needs improvement as well

Zanetti 6- same as Nocerino, he is strong and is a real presence in the midfield...but he has to join Palla, Nocerino, and others in passing drills

Nedved 5.5- slowing down and becoming less and less effective, not to mention his impossible shots from distance.

Trezeguet 5.5- only touched the ball twice the entire game, and hit the upper deck with his only shot

Del Piero 6- lots of hustle, and was all over the place trying to make something happen. Tried too hard to make his free kicks from distance into goals, when he could have simply put the ball in the box for someone to get a head on

Camo 7.5- my MOM !! He came on, and his presence was immediately felt. We need him to be 100%, and maybe he can show this team, and our idiot coach just how Juve is suppose to play !!

Zebina NR- wasnt in long enough for me to notice

Iaquinta 6- showed pace and determination, and assisted on Camo's goal

Ranieri 4.5- I am not impressed with what he's done, and I dont see us getting much better. Mid-table EPL coach

Ok, these are the worst ratings so far in this forum.

Giving Zanetti & Nocerino the smae rating .
Givind Dp & Palladino the same rating .


I think Ranieri is good for this season to secure a CL place but thats it,he must be replaced next season with a WINNER,I dont see us winning any trophies under Ranieri.

 

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[Kosta]

and al these fookers here saying that nedved didn't accomplish anything last night ...




forza nedved !!!

I was impressed by four players last night
1 - Chiellini , the backbone of our team . He has proved time and time again that he is something special . He took Ibra (inter's biggest threat ) right out of the game and with such consistency and persistence for 90 minutes . This guy plays with heart and that's what I admire most about him . A true Juventino .

2- Palladino and not Palladinho ( What's with it with these brazilian nicknames ) ... He was our best weapon and dribbled past the inter defenders countless times and with class . I liked him more on the left flank than on the right but I'd prefer for him to play as a striker as crossing isn't his best skill . Playing 90 minutes against Inter at his age means a lot . The more he plays the more he makes an impact .

3- Camoranesi comes in and changes the entire game from head to to toe .
A brilliant player . I'd love to see him play right behind the strikers rather than on the right wing . His creativity , speed , dribbling , and passing skills are perfect for that role .

Who is the fourth? :eyebrows:

 

[DelpieroForLife]

What are you trying to sell someone else's review as your own?

I swear I knew it even before I read your post.

 

[Azzurri7]

Ok, these are the worst ratings so far in this forum.

Giving Zanetti & Nocerino the smae rating .
Givind Dp & Palladino the same rating .


I think Ranieri is good for this season to secure a CL place but thats it,he must be replaced next season with a WINNER,I dont see us winning any trophies under Ranieri.

Vinman is one of the best in analyzing games, you can disagree it's your opinion with him but most of the times he's spot on.

 

[rounder]

Who is the fourth? :eyebrows:

Ibrahimovic

 

[Kosta]

Yeah, right.

 

[Seven]

I know, I'm clutching at straws here, but:

m_whatever should be banned. The only thing a forum is usual for is the contrast of different opinions. m_whatever doesn't have an opinion. He supports every team and copies other posts.

 

[Azzurri7]

I know, I'm clutching at straws here, but:

m_whatever should be banned. The only thing a forum is usual for is the contrast of different opinions. m_whatever doesn't have an opinion. He supports every team and copies other posts.

Give me your report for this game.

 

[BlanquiNegro]

could somebody answer my question? i feel left out

is figo injured YES OR NO

yes he is
its a leg fracture

 

[Gill_juve]

Vinman is one of the best in analyzing games, you can disagree it's your opinion with him but most of the times he's spot on.

so 4.5 for ruinieri is ok? tbh what the fuck more can a manager do? they cant really win the game by them selves, why does he deserve such a poor rating.

 

[Azzurri7]

so 4.5 for ruinieri is ok? tbh what the fuck more can a manager do? they cant really win the game by them selves, why does he deserve such a poor rating.

I didn't say i agree with everything he said. I said he's one of the few members over here who knows his football.

I actually think Ranieri did well last night, but that doesn't mean that Vin hasn't got a point.

 

[Gill_juve]

I didn't say i agree with everything he said. I said he's one of the few members over here who knows his football.

I actually think Ranieri did well last night, but that doesn't mean that Vin hasn't got a point.

yeh i know what you meant , but i think that people are way too harsh, what more can he do, its not like he just said to them ' fuck it jsut do whatever' he subbed on camo and iaquinta who both made a big impact on the game, so they were good tactical moves, and it does deserve some credit. i think people are either unwilling to give any praise of just think the manager has nothing really to do with it, only if he is lippi or mourinho.

 

[Thunderball]

Vinman was a little less forgiving than I was on some of the players, but I'd hardly say his ratings were terrible.

I think he was a little harsh on Ranieri though. We all saw the problems in the first half and to his credit, he changed them enough to salvage the draw against the toughest team in Serie A. Ranieri doesn't exactly have stellar reserves waiting in the wings, nor does he have the best defense and midfield going. The best reserves he had were Camoranesi and Iaquinta, and he got them both out there in time to make a difference.

 

[Azzurri7]

yeh i know what you meant , but i think that people are way too harsh, what more can he do, its not like he just said to them ' fuck it jsut do whatever' he subbed on camo and iaquinta who both made a big impact on the game, so they were good tactical moves, and it does deserve some credit. i think people are either unwilling to give any praise of just think the manager has nothing really to do with it, only if he is lippi or mourinho.

Actually his subs were pretty smart if you ask me. Taking Nedved first then Del Piero wasn't a bad choice. But the offside tactic plan is debatable and the way we started the game allowing Inter to control the game was a mistake.

But anyway, overall, Ranieri is doing a good job IMO....considering the injuries his players were facing.... I just hope he doesn't loose it because he'll be really criticized we all know how we Juve fans are.

 

[Gill_juve]

Actually his subs were pretty smart if you ask me. Taking Nedved first then Del Piero wasn't a bad choice. But the offside tactic plan is debatable and the way we started the game allowing Inter to control the game was a mistake.

But anyway, overall, Ranieri is doing a good job IMO....considering the injuries his players were facing.... I just hope he doesn't loose it because he'll be really criticized we all know how we Juve fans are.

true

 

[Snoop]

If it was Milan-Inter, you know who every single person on this forum would cheer for.

I would cheer for Milan if we were competing (in points) with Inter, and for Inter if we were competing with Milan. If we were competing (in points) with both then I would cheer for a draw, were two of them loses two points. If we weren't competing with neither of them, then I would turn off the TV and wish them to fuck off the worst way possible.

 

[Snoop]

I am a mod of another forum he posts in but under a different user name, guess he didn't expect me here, i usually double post my posts (here and there), so he must have taken it from the one i put there, clown...

I couldn't imagine a person can be this lame, I knew it wasn't his comment he can's even write a simple sentence..

 

[Geof]

But the offside tactic plan is debatable

Let's talk about that. I was thinking this would be the number one topic.

I actually think it was a good choice. Sure we screwed up once and it costed a goal, but that was a calculated risk IMO.

1- Off side trap reduces the field. On a smaller field Zanetti and Nocerino had an easier job to fight for the ball. More space would've made Figo far more dangerous, and would've allowed their full backs to make more forward runs.
2- Both Zlatan and Cruz are tall strikers. Allowing them to control passes too close to our goal would've been very dangerous. Especially as neither of our centre backs excel at headers.
3- Sitting deeper would have given Zlatan enough space to take our defenders on one on ones. On Sunday, everytime he touched a ball, Chiellini was up his ass. You can't do that if you don't play offside.
4- Zlatan and Cruz aren't the fastest strikers out there. When Cruz scored the goal, he took advantage of being left alone between Leggro (who stood there marking noone) and Grygera (who first took Cruz, then hesitated, and picked Figo).

We conceded one goal alright, but we denied them 10 attacks in the first half only. IMO, the defence did a good job, and we could've won this if our midfield had taken over theirs earlier.

What you think?

 

[Alen]

dude look at the ball, that's seconds after the ball came out off the passer..

And take a look at the guy attacking from the left side.
Just how many times did Molinaro and Grygera leave all the space in the world to Figo and Cesar ?

In this situation i wonder why is Legro so far from Cruz and why is Grygera where he is ?

 

[Snoop]

And take a look at the guy attacking from the left side.
Just how many times did Molinaro and Grygera leave all the space in the world to Figo and Cesar ?

In this situation i wonder why is Legro so far from Cruz and why is Grygera where he is ?

I know. There was also a moment where Zlatan was "marked" by center defenders, where Zlatan was wandering like he is playing in his backyard freely, but thanks to his waste, it could be worse if he scored. We were very lucky at many times.

Legrotaglie is a good back up, good for small players, I think we are forgetting were he spend the last seasons on loan. He is no Juve starter, and Chiellini is no expert central defender, he should move to the left back.

I wish if we brought back Cannavaro, or another world class player like him, we do need at least one world class center defender, this is no surprise, many of us including me predicted these problems, but we are doing good so far because we are only playing in the league, if we had this squad for Serie A and CL together, we would be in a very bad shape now. Let's bring this defender in January!