[Serie A] Juventus vs Chievo (22 Viewers)

JRulez

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Aug 1, 2005
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++

That Capello is a biased cunt. Oh wait, we already knew that..
agree with u 100% stuart, wish capello would **** off and take all his ****ing roma rejects with him, god I hate what he's doing to juventus, it's like he's ripping the soul out of this team!
 

JRulez

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Aug 1, 2005
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my heart goes out to alex too, he doesn't deserve this awful treatment, if he's forced to leave cause of this biased, roma loving, cassano bumming prick I'll ****ing kill him myself
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


The tactical excuse that Capello used last season was bullshit most of the time. He doesn't like DP for whatever reason, that's been made quite obvious, whereas he absolutely loves Zlatan. Ibrahimovic is undoubtedly a better player than Del Piero at present but Cap is ridiculously biased in favour of the Swede.
Capello is indeed biased in favor of Zlatan, however I wouldn't quite say the tactical explanations for subbing Del Piero were bullshit. I remember many a times were opposition defenses were tired and seemingly becoming weaker. Capello would bring Zalayeta in to use his muscle and force to help weaken the defense further and exploit their fatigue to the fullest with his pace and power, something that Del Piero obviously does not have. I could easily see this most of the time last season and agreed with Capello, however today I just don't understand. Zlatan had a horrible match and I would have pulled him off, even to his dismay.

I completely agree with your assessment about some of the moves the managerial staff have made. Pizarro would have been a superb acquisition as I've been saying for quite some time now and not even giving Mutu a chance is too stupid for words. Cassano is not a necessity for this team but Capello doesn't seem to want to give players like Del Piero, Chiellini or Mutu a chance, instead he continues to bring in players he has worked with in the past.
Stupid to say the least. I'm not even sure if Cassano has spot on the pitch as we speak with Capello's insistence on playing Trezeguet and Zlatan up top. We have not even seen what Mutu is capable of yet and if he becomes just as good as Cassano we will be kicking ourselves after giving up Chiellini and loads of cash for a player we didn't even need. Pizarro could have come to Juventus for 6 million plus Miccoli or even Appiah yet we decided to pass him up and just strengthen the defensive midfield, again something we didn't need. Vieira is a great player and I'm glad we have him but he does not add that creativity and passing range we desperately need. Hell, we could have just forgot about Cassano and picked up Pizarro and Vieira....that would have been ideal and made a lot of sense. But now we are stuck with a midfield that doesn't have any creativity and no attacking options on the bench. Wonderful.

Another thing that I don't like about Capello is his insistance on playing so defensively. I've had to accept the fact that Cap is always going to have two holding midfielders in his first team (which I disagree with for the record) but I don't see why we can't be a bit more adventurous against teams like Chievo. We have the quality to beat them by three or four goals but instead of putting them on the back foot for the entirety of the game we score and relax in the second half. Personally I feel that attack can be the best form of defence at times and I would employ such a tactic against smaller sides. Sitting back and allowing teams to come at you is IMHO foolish.
Agreed. Chievo never even mounted an honest attack throughout the whole match and I dont remember seeing Nedved or Camo having to do much defensively. This would have been the perfect match to field the 4-3-3 and take the game to Chievo, but yet again we just played at the same nonchalant pace and played boring football. The Juventus board was supposedly even asking Capello to play more attackingly this season....but oh no way, not against little Chievo.
 

Esteban

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Mar 6, 2005
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First game of the season, and first 'Juve-win' of the season. We played well until 1-0, created loads of chances. Trezeguet was seriously on fire.
Then we did what we do best, we killed the game. 0 shots on goal, and only 1 or tops 2 situations that COULD turn out dangerous for Chievos side.

Good first game. My player ratings;

Abbiatti 5.5
I haven't got the same feeling that I do when I see Gigi between the posts, of course, but I expected Abbiatti to show more authority the few times he was in action. Hopefully it'll get better.

Pessotto 6
Not alot to say, really. Did his job.

Thuram 7.5
My man of the match. Looked like a dad playing with his kids, when he took the ball of the Chievo attackers and never let them to a dangerous position with the ball.

Cannavaro 7
Had a good game. Elegance all the way, as usual.

Zambrotta 6.5
On his way towards the shape he was in when voices where raised about him being the world's best left wing defender. But not there yet.

Camoranesi 5.5
Went out there and picked up his salary. Nothing special, this time.

Vieira 7
Showed his worth.

Emerson 6
Showed his superiority man to man in close encounters. But that was pretty much it. Average.

Nedved 5.5
Not a game that shows why we all love Pavel Nedved, was it. But he wasn't completely bull, as some of you seem to think.

Ibrahimovic 5.5
Showed his worst side; the arrogant, selfcentred Ibra. As for the game, he seemed to be pretty horny on scoring a goal, and forgot about team play. But still, he had some good intentions, and a bad Ibra-game today is not a bad Ibra-game last season whereas he was completely useless when he was not in his prime at times.

Trezeguet 7
Gets a 7.5 for his first half, where he was on fire. Not only did he pull out classy shots from volleys or from his head, he also (for the first time in history...) showed some nice touches on the ball and great technical abilities.
 

JRulez

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Aug 1, 2005
484
++ [ originally posted by Tifoso ] ++
it was nice though hearing the fans shouting DP's name .. at least they have faith in him
exactly, it's as if he's defying all of them just to piss them off, if this continues then I hope del leaves cause he's worth so much more than this, the team's ****ing chronic too, can't pass **** all
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by tassard ] ++
Capello kicks all the old guard.Maybe they are not as good as they were but these players feel Juve more than every newcoming Romanista
Yes, but it was our French contengent (with the exception of the replaced Zebina), IMO, that made this match for us.
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by JRulez ] ++

agree with u 100% stuart, wish capello would **** off and take all his ****ing roma rejects with him, god I hate what he's doing to juventus, it's like he's ripping the soul out of this team!
Capello is a fantastic manager but in all honesty I won't be one bit disappointed when his tenure at Juventus comes to an end.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by hntaha ] ++

They both suck in my opinion.. but Nedved's sucks a little more..
What, after one horrible match? Please. Pavel has been a fantastic player for Juventus these past four years, so lets give him a bit more respect than that.
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


Capello is a fantastic manager but in all honesty I won't be one bit disappointed when his tenure at Juventus comes to an end.
I certainly won't miss him once my favorite type of player is allowed to play again....the natural or deep-lying playmaker. God how I miss Zidane.
 

JRulez

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Aug 1, 2005
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Ibrahimovic 5.5
Showed his worst side; the arrogant, selfcentred Ibra
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this is the only side he has, golden ball? don't make me ****ing laugh, hate this wanker too
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Stuart ] ++


Capello is a fantastic manager but in all honesty I won't be one bit disappointed when his tenure at Juventus comes to an end.
I know where you're coming from Stu, but you also can't argue too much with the results (not that you are here).

If Juve start slipping on the Scudetto or choke early in the CL from his decisions, I'd think his days are definitely numbered given the other issues. Until then, it's all armchair coaching in front of the TV as long as he keeps winning with the team.
 

swag

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Sep 23, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++


I certainly won't miss him once my favorite type of player is allowed to play again....the natural or deep-lying playmaker. God how I miss Zidane.
With Nedved being an uncertain property in attack, that Camo whiff today really underscored our lack of an offensive threat once our forwards are entangled.
 

Stu

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Jul 14, 2002
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++

Capello is indeed biased in favor of Zlatan, however I wouldn't quite say the tactical explanations for subbing Del Piero were bullshit. I remember many a times were opposition defenses were tired and seemingly becoming weaker. Capello would bring Zalayeta in to use his muscle and force to help weaken the defense further and exploit their fatigue to the fullest with his pace and power, something that Del Piero obviously does not have. I could easily see this most of the time last season and agreed with Capello, however today I just don't understand. Zlatan had a horrible match and I would have pulled him off, even to his dismay.

Stupid to say the least. I'm not even sure if Cassano has spot on the pitch as we speak with Capello's insistence on playing Trezeguet and Zlatan up top. We have not even seen what Mutu is capable of yet and if he becomes just as good as Cassano we will be kicking ourselves after giving up Chiellini and loads of cash for a player we didn't even need. Pizarro could have come to Juventus for 6 million plus Miccoli or even Appiah yet we decided to pass him up and just strengthen the defensive midfield, again something we didn't need. Vieira is a great player and I'm glad we have him but he does not add that creativity and passing range we desperately need. Hell, we could have just forgot about Cassano and picked up Pizarro and Vieira....that would have been ideal and made a lot of sense. But now we are stuck with a midfield that doesn't have any creativity and no attacking options on the bench. Wonderful.

Agreed. Chievo never even mounted an honest attack throughout the whole match and I dont remember seeing Nedved or Camo having to do much defensively. This would have been the perfect match to field the 4-3-3 and take the game to Chievo, but yet again we just played at the same nonchalant pace and played boring football. The Juventus board was supposedly even asking Capello to play more attackingly this season....but oh no way, not against little Chievo.
Yes, you make a good point with the Zala thing but that wasn't the case all 28 times he subbed DP. There were some games when Del Piero was doing really well and Zlatan playing quite average but he still replaced Alex.

Completely agree with everything else you said though.
 

venom

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Oct 22, 2003
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++ [ originally posted by Andy ] ++
Stupid to say the least. I'm not even sure if Cassano has spot on the pitch as we speak with Capello's insistence on playing Trezeguet and Zlatan up top.
I guess it's Capello who is insisting Cassano is the missing part of Juve. I certainly wouldn't be surprised to see Zlatan - Cassano duo or Zlatan - Cassano - Trezeguet trio in every match no matter how poor the form would be.

This being said it's results that count in the end and I wouldn't mind him staying with the defensive formation as it has brought the scudetto. I'd just want him to cut out that favouring certain players over others without a proper reason.
 

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