[Serie A] Juventus - Sampdoria (September 12, 2010) (17 Viewers)

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Lo-Pan

Disciple of Gonzo
Feb 11, 2009
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I agree with those who are saying that marchisio was fairly lifeless for long periods of the game...but he made very few mistakes, scored an absolutely crucial goal, and what he did, he did quite well. I am still undecided upon where and how he is best deployed...As we are playing 4-4-2, I thought it was in our interests to keep midfield options. But we got rid of Tiago, poulsen and Ekdal ( though he can come home perhaps in the future). So we lose one tough tackling MF, and two MFs who are both fine on the ball. That made little sense to me, other than the large savings in wages of Poulsen and Tiago playing elsewhere.

I would like to see Traore given a pop at left back. Even to my arsenal supprting mates, he is a relative unknown, but all three of them said to me, that if it wasnt for the quality of Clichy, and the potential of Gibbs, they would be pissed off to see him leave.

If Traore can't fit the bill, then perhaps we can turn to Grosso or better still, SALI! all we need there is someone reliable. they dont need to be amazing going forward, just solid at the back.

As for right back...its trickier. On yesterdays performance, I prefer Grygera. But in the previous games, Motta looked useful. Maybe he was carrying a physical problem or just had a bad day. Either way, it was clear to me, that our two centrebacks got horribly strecthed, due not to their own inadequacies in their own positions, but completely because of the failings of our fullbacks.
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There is a chance, that Traore could be wicked. small chance. he is largely unknown, even at arsenal...buit what is clear to me, is that if we add, or convert our own current stock, into two decent fullbacks, we are capable of 4th, perhaps even third.
 

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Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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For you they might make zero sense, for me they make a lot of sense. But like I said, I realise that I saw things different from most.

If Melo played the same game... : Fair enough. But you can use the "if" in more ways than one.

If Sampdoria capitalized on one of Melo's mistakes we would have been down 0-2 (or even 0-3) after 40 minutes.
If Marchisio missed his chance (not an easy one at that) we may have never gotten back in the game.
If Melo wasn't so adamant on slowing up play numerous times we might have hurt Samp on the break.
If ...
So a better performance constitutes not working to recieve the ball, not passing effectively and pretty much not playing the entire game.

Melo won us so much ball, apart from his two mistakes he guarded the defence very well and I'd say that he did much more good then harm defensively. He also moved well off the ball and passed relatively well for a DM (that's supposed to be Marchisio's job). He also had to help Motta out in the mean time.

Melo and a more DM shouldn't be having to run it forward and make play in the first place, where was Marchisio on our counter attacks to run it forward and make the plays more quickly?
Sorry but Marchisio was lucky on that goal, Melo was unlucky on that slip. He played a much better game and rightfully deserves a better rating. If all you had seen was Melo's giving the ball away and Marchisio's goal then by all means give Marchisio a 10 and Melo a 0 but if you want to take a balanced view on the game then observe and judge the entire 90 minutes. You can't just ommit Melo's positives and Marchisio's negatives that were obvious the entire game.

Cheap shots at an easy target.
 

Salvo

J
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Dec 17, 2007
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The problem is that for Marchisio to have a good game he has to dribble all over the field and score all the time, he scored a great goal, he was tidy, he is a DM what more do you want from him?
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
The problem is that for Marchisio to have a good game he has to dribble all over the field and score all the time, he scored a great goal, he was tidy, he is a DM what more do you want from him?
I wouldn't call him a DM. He's too well rounded. He just needs to work hard to have a good game and he hasn't worked hard enough for a while now.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
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Dec 16, 2003
72,692
I found Del Neri's statement as a joke. How can he say we are not title contenders when we are at the beginning of the season. Is he giving up already? This guy isn't aware of Juve's history I assume.

Even if we do know we are not title contenders, giving up so easily and making such a statement will not help our team, squad. We need statements that can boost our morals not lower them ffs.
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
10,883
So a better performance constitutes not working to recieve the ball, not passing effectively and pretty much not playing the entire game.

Melo won us so much ball, apart from his two mistakes he guarded the defence very well and I'd say that he did much more good then harm defensively. He also moved well off the ball and passed relatively well for a DM (that's supposed to be Marchisio's job). He also had to help Motta out in the mean time.

Melo and a more DM shouldn't be having to run it forward and make play in the first place, where was Marchisio on our counter attacks to run it forward and make the plays more quickly?
Sorry but Marchisio was lucky on that goal, Melo was unlucky on that slip. He played a much better game and rightfully deserves a better rating. If all you had seen was Melo's giving the ball away and Marchisio's goal then by all means give Marchisio a 10 and Melo a 0 but if you want to take a balanced view on the game then observe and judge the entire 90 minutes. You can't just ommit Melo's positives and Marchisio's negatives that were obvious the entire game.

Cheap shots at an easy target.
Is it really that difficult to read what people post instead of getting worked up over nothing? This shit is getting tiring.

If I thought Melo was bad, I would not have given him a rating of 6. Ffs, I even said he was mostly good. If you (& most people with you to be fair) don't think it's worrying that he's still so error prone or if you're willing to be ok with that, then that is fine by me. Just don't expect me to do the same.
In terms of the general play, Marchisio was NOT better than Melo. It just so happens that he screwed up less & scored a decisive (at that moment at least) goal.

I'm not going to argue any more though, if you believe that I ommit big parts of the game & that I only see the bad stuff of Melo and the good stuff of Marchisio, then I'm not even going to try arguing.
I guess I just don't "get" it.
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
I found Del Neri's statement as a joke. How can he say we are not title contenders when we are at the beginning of the season. Is he giving up already? This guy isn't aware of Juve's history I assume.

Even if we do know we are not title contenders, giving up so easily and making such a statement will not help our team, squad. We need statements that can boost our morals not lower them ffs.
We're not playing like a title contending team right now. Just because he says we're not title contenders doesn't mean we won't win it (which we won't anyway). I'd rather he were humble instead of going out and saying Scudetto this Scudetto that.
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
Is it really that difficult to read what people post instead of getting worked up over nothing? This shit is getting tiring.

If I thought Melo was bad, I would not have given him a rating of 6. Ffs, I even said he was mostly good. If you (& most people with you to be fair) don't think it's worrying that he's still so error prone or if you're willing to be ok with that, then that is fine by me. Just don't expect me to do the same.
In terms of the general play, Marchisio was NOT better than Melo. It just so happens that he screwed up less & scored a decisive (at that moment at least) goal.

I'm not going to argue any more though, if you believe that I ommit big parts of the game & that I only see the bad stuff of Melo and the good stuff of Marchisio, then I'm not even going to try arguing.
I guess I just don't "get" it.
I'm not worked up at all I'm just discussing it. This is a forum.
 

Bozi

The Bozman
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Oct 18, 2005
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Saw the match yesterday, attacking play looks ok, but the defence :sergio:
Bonucci - Chiellini isn't working (yet).
Maybe a Chiellini - Legro partnership and Bonucci or Grygera on the right would be better.
DC was decent, not good but better then Motta.

And Melo, oh boy, the mistakes he made in the beginning could have costed us the match.
exactly,people here are accepting his "brain fart" as acceptable,FFS we could ahve been 3-0 down after 40 minutes because of him

For you they might make zero sense, for me they make a lot of sense. But like I said, I realise that I saw things different from most.

If Melo played the same game... : Fair enough. But you can use the "if" in more ways than one.

If Sampdoria capitalized on one of Melo's mistakes we would have been down 0-2 (or even 0-3) after 40 minutes.
If Marchisio missed his chance (not an easy one at that) we may have never gotten back in the game.
If Melo wasn't so adamant on slowing up play numerous times we might have hurt Samp on the break.
If ...
top post,apart from the 2 times he gave the ball away he was almost caught in possession 4-5 times because he held on to the ball too long,i was shitting myself everytime he got possession in the first half but people are claiming he was excellent

Btw - Algeria, France and Portugal are in quite close proximity to one another - figure that one out.
your usename is moronic,Zidane is Algerian/French why the hell do people feel the need to stick "dinho" at the end of players names to show they are skillful? i mean what is Zidaninho exactly? is he like a super Zidane?does he nutmeg layers then turn around and nutmeg them again? or does he party all night and headbutt transsexuals back into heterosexuality?
 

Zidaninho

Junior Member
Aug 31, 2010
369
I found Del Neri's statement as a joke. How can he say we are not title contenders when we are at the beginning of the season. Is he giving up already? This guy isn't aware of Juve's history I assume.

Even if we do know we are not title contenders, giving up so easily and making such a statement will not help our team, squad. We need statements that can boost our morals not lower them ffs.
It's called taking the pressure off your team - recall the beginning of last season with all the hype - it put the players under so much unnecessary pressure and destroyed the season.

I think it's a great ploy by Del Neri.

The players have been saying the same thing lately, putting the pressure squarely on Inter, Milan and Roma
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
We're not playing like a title contending team right now. Just because he says we're not title contenders doesn't mean we won't win it (which we won't anyway). I'd rather he were humble instead of going out and saying Scudetto this Scudetto that.
But saying something like this at this early stage means that this guy has no winning mentality which I dislike a lot in some coaches.

I don't expect him to say we are winning the Scudetto because it doesn't make sense either, but shutting up is better than making a ridiculous statement such as we are not going to win shit this season. It feels bad to read these type of statements TBH.

Even if we had 10 Blasi on the field, his job as a Juventus coach to aim for the best. Sometimes being too realistic will cost you.

If he wants to play for the CL place then we might end up even a lot worse than last season I'm afraid.
 

Zidaninho

Junior Member
Aug 31, 2010
369
your usename is moronic,Zidane is Algerian/French why the hell do people feel the need to stick "dinho" at the end of players names to show they are skillful? i mean what is Zidaninho exactly? is he like a super Zidane?does he nutmeg layers then turn around and nutmeg them again? or does he party all night and headbutt transsexuals back into heterosexuality?
Unfortunately we are not all blessed with your abilities for creating legendary usernames. God spreads and allocates his blessings to his creation in different ways.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
It's called taking the pressure off your team - recall the beginning of last season with all the hype - it put the players under so much unnecessary pressure and destroyed the season.

I think it's a great ploy by Del Neri.

The players have been saying the same thing lately, putting the pressure squarely on Inter, Milan and Roma
You take the pressure off? What pressure? We are at the 2nd round of this season, we haven't played our 10th match yet to say such a thing.

Last year Ciro was a failure and it was only normal to aim for Scudetto and even CL with the expectations and all. It's not the expectation that failed us, Ciro's work failed us.
 

Zidaninho

Junior Member
Aug 31, 2010
369
But saying something like this at this early stage means that this guy has no winning mentality which I dislike a lot in some coaches.

I don't expect him to say we are winning the Scudetto because it doesn't make sense either, but shutting up is better than making a ridiculous statement such as we are not going to win shit this season. It feels bad to read these type of statements TBH.

Even if we had 10 Blasi on the field, his job as a Juventus coach to aim for the best. Sometimes being too realistic will cost you.

If he wants to play for the CL place then we might end up even a lot worse than last season I'm afraid.
Patience, humility and removal of unnecessary pressure is exactly what Juve needs right now ;)
 

Nenz

Senior Member
Apr 17, 2008
10,472
But saying something like this at this early stage means that this guy has no winning mentality which I dislike a lot in some coaches.

I don't expect him to say we are winning the Scudetto because it doesn't make sense either, but shutting up is better than making a ridiculous statement such as we are not going to win shit this season. It feels bad to read these type of statements TBH.

Even if we had 10 Blasi on the field, his job as a Juventus coach to aim for the best. Sometimes being too realistic will cost you.

If he wants to play for the CL place then we might end up even a lot worse than last season I'm afraid.
Yeah he could have worded it much better. I would prefere he didn't speak at all.
 

Azzurri7

Pinturicchio
Moderator
Dec 16, 2003
72,692
your usename is moronic,Zidane is Algerian/French why the hell do people feel the need to stick "dinho" at the end of players names to show they are skillful? i mean what is Zidaninho exactly? is he like a super Zidane?does he nutmeg layers then turn around and nutmeg them again? or does he party all night and headbutt transsexuals back into heterosexuality?
:lol:
 

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