[Serie A] Juventus - Reggina (11 Viewers)

Azzurri7

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snoop said:
Zlatan's job was never being a Striker,he is a forward he sets up goals ,he gives assists etc..and he scores goals too besides that,but saying that Zlatan couldn't do it in the whole season is like all he did was a failure,when you said that statement to Trezeguet (If he didn't score this much) that could be logical.that's my point

I beg your partner?? How is that?? Zlatans Job IS a Striker and to score, the only diff between him and Trezeguet, is that David is little bit infront of him to finish the balls, while Zlatan is also there to score....Zlatans job is not to defend, neither to get back to midfield. Now you might tell me to create space...yeah, thats also his duty, to create space for HIMSELF and to score, like Dp is doing. Take a look at Cole and Drogba, they're both scoring always....at Barca Rony and Eto'o...Milan, Gila and Sheva, etc....So I don't see how is that possible that Ibra's job not a striker and not to score....

About Zlatan's failure, I still insist he was a pain in the ass this season...and If you disagree, I'd like to hear atleast 5good matches he played this season...we did play more than 20matches this season in total, and he did play alot...So I'd like to hear some.
 

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Dominic

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I still do not think Ibrahimovic is really a special player. He has had some usefull matches though this season, he has been reasonably important in a few matches(about 5-6). Overall though, sorry Snoop, I have to agree that Zlatan has been somewhat of a flop this season. He has had some assists this season, but in terms of effectiveness his overall performances have been somewhat lacking.

He WAS a pain in the ass this season, because he holds our team back. His presence doesn't fully allow other players to spread their wings( Mutu, Del Piero namely..). I think Capello always plays him, due to Ibrahimovic being a critical part of his gameplan. His gameplan upfront seems to somewhat revolve around Ibrahimovic. Tactically his value, to Capello, seems to be very important.

I get the same feeling about Nedved, regarding his tactical value to Capello.

Thus Capello fields them ever so often. It might not have something to do with Capello's romantic feelings towards any, simply that he values them in his gameplan.. right or wrong.
 

Azzurri7

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Dominic said:
I still do not think Ibrahimovic is really a special player. He has had some usefull matches though this season, he has been reasonably important in a few matches(about 5-6). Overall though, sorry Snoop, I have to agree that Zlatan has been somewhat of a flop this season. He has had some assists this season, but in terms of effectiveness his overall performances have been somewhat lacking.

He WAS a pain in the ass this season, because he holds our team back. His presence doesn't fully allow other players to spread their wings( Mutu, Del Piero namely..). I think Capello always plays him, due to Ibrahimovic being a critical part of his gameplan. His gameplan upfront seems to somewhat revolve around Ibrahimovic. Tactically his value, to Capello, seems to be very important.

I get the same feeling about Nedved, regarding his tactical value to Capello.

Thus Capello fields them ever so often. It might not have something to do with Capello's romantic feelings towards any, simply that he values them in his gameplan.. right or wrong.
Thanks for being objective.
 

Bjerknes

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denco said:
Yes this is an open forum and everyone is entitled to their own opinions but do you not with sometimes some people are in front of ya when they make such myopic comments so you can slap them. If Zlatan is not a striker praytell what is he?Stop calling yourself snoop and start calling yourself snoopy as you got more in common with that character
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    Given what this conversation has come to, I'm starting to wonder why we should leave this thread open any more... :confused:
     

    Stu

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    Jul 14, 2002
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    snoop said:
    "Del piero done in one match what Zlatan did in whole season" A bullshit statement,Like Zlatan's Job is to score Goals,like he is the striker :faq1:
    How is Zlatan not a striker? He's a support striker but a striker nonetheless and all strikers are supposed to score goals. They can contribute with assists and overall play, which Zlatan does, but that doesn't mean that they don't have scoring responsibilities. Obviously you're not going to expect Zlatan and Rooney to score as much as Trezeguet and Van Nistelrooy but they still have to pull their weight and quite frankly Zlatan hasn't been doing that. He's had some very good games but on the whole his performances have been average and three goals so far in the league (six in all comps) isn't good enough.
     

    Rami

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    Dec 24, 2004
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    Azzurri7 said:
    I beg your partner?? How is that?? Zlatans Job IS a Striker and to score, the only diff between him and Trezeguet, is that David is little bit infront of him to finish the balls, while Zlatan is also there to score....Zlatans job is not to defend, neither to get back to midfield. Now you might tell me to create space...yeah, thats also his duty, to create space for HIMSELF and to score, like Dp is doing. Take a look at Cole and Drogba, they're both scoring always....at Barca Rony and Eto'o...Milan, Gila and Sheva, etc....So I don't see how is that possible that Ibra's job not a striker and not to score....

    About Zlatan's failure, I still insist he was a pain in the ass this season...and If you disagree, I'd like to hear atleast 5good matches he played this season...we did play more than 20matches this season in total, and he did play alot...So I'd like to hear some.
    You mean "I beg your pardon" right":D

    Overall you pretty much made sense, and the argument that some members have that Zlatan is taking defenders with him opening space for Trez and others isn't really valid. We did'nt buy him to do that, if we wanted someone to do that we couldve just bought a Piniata.
     

    Azzurri7

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    Rami said:
    You mean "I beg your pardon" right":D

    Overall you pretty much made sense, and the argument that some members have that Zlatan is taking defenders with him opening space for Trez and others isn't really valid. We did'nt buy him to do that, if we wanted someone to do that we couldve just bought a Piniata.

    oh ya..."Pardon" :D
     

    rokkstar

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    Feb 2, 2005
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    well, zlatan hasn't entirely been a flop... yet, we'll wait for the end of the season to assess that. he hasn't been banging in the goals like in the 1st season. Same thing happened to Kaka in his sophomore season with Milan. As a juve fan, I'm hoping he'd prove us all wrong and get his modjo started for the 2nd half of the season and CL especially.

    On the other note, I'm glad that Dp has been firing on all cylinders and hope he can keep that up. Being a benchwarmer for long periods of time has just managed to get the best out of him. He deserves to be in the starting 11 based on form and so should mutu, but as we all know Cap and his preferred starting line-up.

    The positive aspect I see in all this is that in spite of Ibra's inefficiency in front of goal, we have alternative options we can use and should use. I do not know if Cap's rotation policy is healthy for the striker's but it seems to be getting us the results... so far.
     

    Bjerknes

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    Mar 16, 2004
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    Whether Zlatan scores a lot of goals or not isn't the main talking point in this discussion...I see a player out there who has not been entirely convincing in several aspects of the game, let alone goalscoring. Now that doesn't mean Ibrahimovic has been a failure at Juventus because such a statement is not true. Looking at his performances thus far you have to say Zlatan could be playing much better than he has been, and that he has failed to live up to the expectations placed on him after last season. Actually who really cares about the expectations anyway...the guy has not even been able to recapture a taste of his solid form from last season. I don't know about you, however, you cannot help but worry.

    Ibrahimovic has had a few good matches this season but for the most part has been disapointing. Apart from a few moments of brilliance, such as the glorious lofted chip to Vieira's head, he really needs to improve in all aspects of the game, including not wasting so many chances in front of goal and nonsensically fouling up passes in midfield. To say Zlatan is not a forward or not supposed to score goals is a joke quite frankly, but whatever the case he needs to improve in every facet of the game.

    Del Piero has not outperformed Zlatan based solely on the match against La Viola, however he continues to show he has the scoring touch and can continue starting for Juventus. Considering we are playing Reggina Del Piero should be given the start without question, however even if our opponents would be, say, Inter, I would give him the start as well. We cannot continue fielding players who are off form and restricting those who are ON form the right to have a go...this philosophy should be enforced whether it be Thuram and Kovac, Nedved and Mutu, Zlatan and Del Piero, whomever. Why on earth would it be any other way..
     

    Snoop

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    Oct 2, 2001
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    re-read what I said,and you will see I said that Zlatan is not the Striker.our striker is Trezeguet.I am not arguing with you about Zlatan saying that he is having a great season (no need to say "Sorry snoop" Dominic).but I am arguing about the quote "Dp did in one night,what Zlatan couldn't do the whole season".that the bulshit, I am sure that came from media it's what they do,In Italy if you score a lot of goals,then you are the best,even if you were a defender or a midfielder. Zlatan is having an average season,you can't call that a failure.everybody is aware that he is not having the same performance he had last season,but still he is ok,and improving.
     

    JCK

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    May 11, 2004
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    snoop said:
    re-read what I said,and you will see I said that Zlatan is not the Striker.our striker is Trezeguet.I am not arguing with you about Zlatan saying that he is having a great season (no need to say "Sorry snoop" Dominic).but I am arguing about the quote "Dp did in one night,what Zlatan couldn't do the whole season".that the bulshit, I am sure that came from media it's what they do,In Italy if you score a lot of goals,then you are the best,even if you were a defender or a midfielder. Zlatan is having an average season,you can't call that a failure.everybody is aware that he is not having the same performance he had last season,but still he is ok,and improving.
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