[Serie A] JUVENTUS - Genoa (January 26, 2013) (19 Viewers)

Enron

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Oct 11, 2005
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She's basically saying what i've been saying all along. No intent = involuntary gesture. Pen? open to interpretation.
The Vucinic one was more clear in my opinion, but I've seen similar penalties given for both incidents. Granted if a referee isn't sure of a call, then a no-call is the best move.
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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The involuntary thing is fine when the ball just hits the defender and he can't do anything about it.

When the ball has shot up and hit his hand due to his own incompetence, as was the case tonight, I'm going to give the penalty every time.
 

CrimsonianKing

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Jan 16, 2013
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The Vucinic one was more clear in my opinion, but I've seen similar penalties given for both incidents. Granted if a referee isn't sure of a call, then a no-call is the best move.
Right on the spot. When in doubt = no go.
But i still say she's (The article lady) not right in calling it a "no pen". Fifa clearly states that in those kind of situations it's up to the referee's interpretation as you even said, we've seen similar situations where the referee says yes, it's a pen. In this case it was a no. Was he right or wrong? Neither, he did what he thought was best following the rules set by FIFA.

Now if he did that on purpose i don't know.

(IMO The Vucinic ones were both 100% clear, the one in our favor and the one against us.)
 
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Right on the spot. When in doubt = no go.
But i still say she's (The article lady) not right in calling it a "no pen". Fifa clearly states that in those kind of situations it's up to the referee's interpretation as you even said, we've seen similar situations where the referee says yes, it's a pen. In this case it was a no. Was he right or wrong? Neither, he did what he thought was best following the rules set by FIFA.

Now if he did that on purpose i don't know.

(IMO The Vucinic ones were both 100% clear, the one in our favor and the one against us.)
That's an assumption. One that is not supported by the words of the ref. When explaining himself, why didn't he state it was ball-to-hand and not hand-to-ball instead of saying he didn't feel like giving it?
 

CrimsonianKing

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That's an assumption. One that is not supported by the words of the ref. When explaining himself, why didn't he state it was ball-to-hand and not hand-to-ball instead of saying he didn't feel like giving it?
Of course it's an assumption, man. I'm not inside his head, I don't know his reasons. Conte is the one saying he said that, isn't he? Maybe he's just angry? Maybe he misunderstood what he heard? Like i already said, i don't know the referee's reasons or whatever he said but i'm sure that by the rules in that situation he could have given it or not, and neither would be a wrong decision, it was his call.

(Unless there's proof he said that)
 

Red

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Nov 26, 2006
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If the ref isn't sure (it doesn't sound like the ref immediately thought it clearly wasn't a penalty), should he not take the advice of the assistant behind the goals?
 

juvechampions

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Feb 27, 2006
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it was clear penalty no doubt but we must look and our errors.Not having a good striker costs, having average players (aka D.C) costs.Lets hope Anelka can bring easy goals(is not a joke)
p.s and thinking that you are first and to just play in juventus means nothing for the win, you must run have passion and don't be lazy and overconfident
p.s(2) after all we are juventus we can win our bad self....
 

CrimsonianKing

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If the ref isn't sure (it doesn't sound like the ref immediately thought it clearly wasn't a penalty), should he not take the advice of the assistant behind the goals?
Technically yes, that's the assistant job anyway. But it still doesn't mean he has to take his word for it, he has the final word. And besides, maybe he wasn't unsure after all, maybe he saw that it was involuntary and decided not to give the pen. Or maybe he's trying to fuck us up because he's a Neapolitan. Who knows..

Another thing, if he was really trying to help Genoa, why didn't he gave that pen when Vucinic clearly used his arm? Unless he didn't see it, makes no sense.
 

Gep

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Jun 12, 2005
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Haha we're all mugs. Sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves when we've won more points from refereeing decisions this season than last and were going on bout aaaaaargh penalty!! penalty!! Which it was but Catania had a decent goal disallowed and we all revelled in our 12th man decision. Hated the game tonight and I'm totally been sick and tired of our last 5 or more performances. Solo Juve. Fuq FIGC. Should be burning teams like this, without help from officials when things go against us. It's rude to beg,
 

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