[Serie A] JUVENTUS 0-3 AC Milan (Jan. 10th, 2010) (2 Viewers)

[SABSAB]

I just don't see how it would work.

Both wings would be horribly exposed and the same problems with handling counter attacks would be there as there was with the 4-2-3-1.

I thought about the possibility of playing Diego slightly deeper early in the season, but decided it would probably not be of sufficicient beniefit to other players or the team to justify limiting in that way.

When we played 4-2-3-1 we got butchered on the counter attacks and the defence was continually left exposed because the midfield was pushing too far up the pitch and leaving to many spacing.

I fail to see how this formation would solve that.

The important thing in this game is to stay compact and organised.

I would make it into a midfield scrap and see if we can't be the team that nicks a goal.

This isn't the time to try and play open and expansive football and give Milan's players heaps of time and space on the ball.

But that is what I'm saying, the 4-2-3-1 is way too stretched while the 4-3-3 is not. At least not the way I want it to be played. I want it to be compact, every formation failed so far because there was always a gap between the DM and Diego. Why don't pull him back in this gap and place Del Piero and Gio in front of him and let them do the job he can't do on his own.
I didn't see Diego making any defense splitting and decisive passes and alone up front he can't make any difference and lead the game. But he can do from behind, in the very central of the formation. With Diego there between and not in front of the midfield the DM won't push forward that much and can fill the gaps of our fullbacks for example when they push forward.

And our defense is in every formation exposed because we are bad.
Seriously, you think it would get any better if we carry on with only defending? You think that would being any better result? Our defense is shit and it won't help them when we just defend. We have to relieve them a bit with playing at least a bit more offensive.

Fullbacks would play a bit more forward, making it easier for Marchisio and Poulsen to fill back and have someone next to them, width. Diego would be there to pick up the ball and make something out of nothing, but this time with someone who can do something actually, Del Piero and Giovinco. And not like in 4-3-1-2 where it's everything down on his shoulders.

 

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[Red]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the merits of your suggestion.

However, even if that system may work, I don't think this is the game to be trying something new in.


I expect to see a similar team/system to the one that played Parma and I think that is entirely justified.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

But that is what I'm saying, the 4-2-3-1 is way too stretched while the 4-3-3 is not. At least not the way I want it to be played. I want it to be compact, every formation failed so far because there was always a gap between the DM and Diego. Why don't pull him back in this gap and place Del Piero and Gio in front of him and let them do the job he can't do on his own.
I didn't see Diego making any defense splitting and decisive passes and alone up front he can't make any difference and lead the game. But he can do from behind, in the very central of the formation. With Diego there between and not in front of the midfield the DM won't push forward that much and can fill the gaps of our fullbacks for example when they push forward.

You may be on to something in regards to Diego's position, since he pretty much falls back into the CM role anyway during games (yesterday was probably the 1st time he didn't), but I really don't think our team is currently balanced or "smart" enough to try a more adventurous formation.

I could see us being destroyed on the counter even more than usual, especially if you expect (one of) both fullbacks to roam the sides.

 

[SABSAB]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the merits of your suggestion.

However, even if that system may work, I don't think this is the game to be trying something new in.


I expect to see a similar team/system to the one that played Parma and I think that is entirely justified.

You may be on to something in regards to Diego's position, since he pretty much falls back into the CM role anyway during games (yesterday was probably the 1st time he didn't), but I really don't think our team is currently balanced or "smart" enough to try a more adventurous formation.

I could see us being destroyed on the counter even more than usual, especially if you expect (one of) both fullbacks to roam the sides.

True it's not the right time. I was just asking if the formation I posted would work
And with Ciro it would fail anyway. I'm just thinking through possible formations.

 

[Alen]

There's no suggestion Marchisio is suspended for the game, as far as I can see.

That's because you get your first suspension after 4 yellow cards.
Marchisio isn't suspended, of course.

 

[YasoR17]

He did? In that case, replace him with PDC in my line up.

Yeah, but he isn't suspended. It's only his 3rd, not 4th. Was just checking

 

[YasoR17]

That's because you get your first suspension after 4 yellow cards.
Marchisio isn't suspended, of course.

Yeah exactly

 

[icemaη]

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[Red]

That's because you get your first suspension after 4 yellow cards.
Marchisio isn't suspended, of course.

It reduces to three for a suspension once you've had a ban for four yellows, though, doesn't it?

I couldn't remember if Marchisio had racked up enough cards for that.

 

[Dostoevsky]

It reduces to three for a suspension once you've had a ban for four yellows, though, doesn't it?

I never knew that.

 

[Red]

I may have just made that up, then.

In some countries the threshold reduces after one suspension.

 

[Alen]

It reduces to three for a suspension once you've had a ban for four yellows, though, doesn't it?

I couldn't remember if Marchisio had racked up enough cards for that.

To three and then to two. I don't know if after that you get suspended after a single card, but I think not.

No, Marchisio wasn't suspended yet. It's his third yellow in serie A this year and he didn't get a red card yet (Amauri, Melo and Caceres did).

 

[Red]

To three and then to two. I don't know if after that you get suspended after a single card, but I think not.

I've got a feeling you do get suspended for one card.

I seem to recall De Rossi got booked so often a few seasons ago that he got a suspension every time he got booked by the end of the season.

 

[Bjerknes]

When we played 4-2-3-1 we got butchered on the counter attacks and the defence was continually left exposed because the midfield was pushing too far up the pitch and leaving to many spacing.

I fail to see how this formation would solve that.

I don't think that is exactly true. In the couple matches when we played Melo and Sissoko as the two central midfielders we had our best performances, not letting much through anywhere in midfield, even on the wings. They both were immense together, thwarting every attack that came their way.

If they can continue that sort of form, the 4-2-3-1 is the way to go. And as long as we can get the advanced midfielders to come back when needed, it should be fine.

Oh, and I hate that goddamn African Nations Cup.

 

[Lion]

it's all bout Sissoko.

no Sissoko, the midfield loses it's strength.

and I hate the AFC too. WTF is this stupid rule about the tourney every 2 years?! make it every every 4 like the rest of the world.

 

[Hambon]

The best possible line-up IMO now after Trezi is confirmed absent:

Manni
Grygera----Canna----Chellini------Grosso

Poupou----Melo----Marchisio

Diego-----Seba

Amauri​

4-3-2-1

then in the second half take out worst performing defensive(im guessing poulson) mid for dp and go all attack....

Grygera - Canna - Chiellini - Grosso

marchisio - Melo

diego - Giovinco

amauri - dp



the key is to keep pressure on their defense so ours can have time to organize ...

 

[Hust]

At least we are playing at home

 

[Dostoevsky]

Zambrotta e Seedorf out con la Juve

 

[Hust]

Zambrotta is training at Vinovo with Juve according to reports. Looks like we found our Zebina replacement.

 

[Letty]

With Gigi out im afraid Pato&Borrielo are going to score quite a few against us..