Sergio Agüero - ST - Atletico Madrid (74 Viewers)
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Dude, at this point it's irrelevant to moan about Marotta's strategy. He already said he wants a big name for attack and Ziegler suggested how cheap we'll be with the defense.
Having said this, it's either Aguero, Sanchez, a worse player or nothing. Even if we don't get the big fish for the front, we won't get WC fullbacks. Marotta can't think wisely, unfortunatelly.
At most you can complain about Marotta, because I bet this move won't interfere with our defense. When we're buying a star for the front, Aguero is undoubtely the better choice.
P.S.: I agree with your market opinion, but Marotta won't change his mind and with an average team at back we'll seriously need a great game changer helping us. And Kun is better than Sanchez.
Having said this, it's either Aguero, Sanchez, a worse player or nothing. Even if we don't get the big fish for the front, we won't get WC fullbacks. Marotta can't think wisely, unfortunatelly.
At most you can complain about Marotta, because I bet this move won't interfere with our defense. When we're buying a star for the front, Aguero is undoubtely the better choice.
P.S.: I agree with your market opinion, but Marotta won't change his mind and with an average team at back we'll seriously need a great game changer helping us. And Kun is better than Sanchez.
Not even 10 Aguero's can save our season next year if we don't find a serious solution to our defensive problems. Milan had super stars upfront but failed to win the Scudetti for several years due to their backlines. Unless Conte comes up with some genius defensive strategies.
How on earth Marotta can not see that we are the most team to concede goals at home is beyond me. Do we even have someone at the club who shows some fucking statistics rapport to our Mang?
How on earth Marotta can not see that we are the most team to concede goals at home is beyond me. Do we even have someone at the club who shows some fucking statistics rapport to our Mang?
I think you're exaggerating. I think with having Ziegler already and the potential signing of Cassani or Lichtsteiner (would prefer the first) makes our defence much better than this season. While maybe having Beck as back-up.
Cassani - Bonucci - Chiellini - Ziegler
Could be just our strongest defense since post-calciopoli
Cassani - Bonucci - Chiellini - Ziegler
Could be just our strongest defense since post-calciopoli
Firstly, you talk as if you think we will stop all spending and reinforcing with the purchase of Kun. Not sure what makes you think we will not continue to fix the defense?
Secondly, the lack of WC fullbacks is certainly a problem, teams will rip us off to get them away. Not to mention, these so called WC fullbacks all play for clubs that pretty much have a shot at winning trophies all season long, we can't offer that.
Thirdly, if you are seriously OK with Quag, Matri, Toni, and Ale there is no way in hell that will get us a top 3 finish...NO WAY man, so having WC fullbacks will certainly help us concede less but they will not guarantee clean sheets anymore than they would guarantee 3rd place.
Fourthly, while teams like Milan/Inter/Roma/Napoli continue to upgrade their teams with CL money, we will essentially making our selves less lethal. Sure, we would have a sturdy backline and that's all fine and dandy but how is a nice defense going to help us unluck the opposition and create chances? It's already been proven that you shut Krasic down you shut our offense down. The quartet you mentioned can't do it IMO (again, its just my opinion, certainly I'm not saying it as factual as it might come across)
Fifthly, remember when we signed DP a long time ago? Look at how long he has been giving this club wins after wins, goals after goals, assists after assists. We have the opportunity (distant yes I know), to bring a player that can do that for the next 10 years or more...someone to redefine this club just as Ale did. Next year we won't have that opportunity and we will be left with a very limp attack...maybe bring a WC striker next year but no one to work off with. Trez wouldn't have been who he was without that legendary partnership with Ale. We need that for an attack, just as we need good full backs. Both are important equally(again, just my IMO and how I think tactically)
Sixthly, Possession. I know you all hear me say that and wonder how that related to conceding. Well, I just have a gut feeling I guess that if we were able to control the flow of the game, we control the chances against our goal as well. If we can't keep the ball and our defense always plays long balls, then we will continue to see endless counter attacks, etc. Fix the midfield, get us a WC threat up top, and new full backs and you will have a fantastic team. But, just as the FB situation can't be ignored, either can buying a player like Sanchez or Kun.
Lastly, Kun would be the best option for us but if we have to pass for whatever reason then I'd be happy with Alexis though I feel Kun would bring us up so many more levels. Regardless of the player, one of them should be brought as a replacement for Ale. Our fans know it's Ale's last seaosn, well full season anyways and this club deserves to have a player that can create that spark and connection that Ale has done for so many years.
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Secondly, the lack of WC fullbacks is certainly a problem, teams will rip us off to get them away. Not to mention, these so called WC fullbacks all play for clubs that pretty much have a shot at winning trophies all season long, we can't offer that.
Thirdly, if you are seriously OK with Quag, Matri, Toni, and Ale there is no way in hell that will get us a top 3 finish...NO WAY man, so having WC fullbacks will certainly help us concede less but they will not guarantee clean sheets anymore than they would guarantee 3rd place.
Fourthly, while teams like Milan/Inter/Roma/Napoli continue to upgrade their teams with CL money, we will essentially making our selves less lethal. Sure, we would have a sturdy backline and that's all fine and dandy but how is a nice defense going to help us unluck the opposition and create chances? It's already been proven that you shut Krasic down you shut our offense down. The quartet you mentioned can't do it IMO (again, its just my opinion, certainly I'm not saying it as factual as it might come across)
Fifthly, remember when we signed DP a long time ago? Look at how long he has been giving this club wins after wins, goals after goals, assists after assists. We have the opportunity (distant yes I know), to bring a player that can do that for the next 10 years or more...someone to redefine this club just as Ale did. Next year we won't have that opportunity and we will be left with a very limp attack...maybe bring a WC striker next year but no one to work off with. Trez wouldn't have been who he was without that legendary partnership with Ale. We need that for an attack, just as we need good full backs. Both are important equally(again, just my IMO and how I think tactically)
Sixthly, Possession. I know you all hear me say that and wonder how that related to conceding. Well, I just have a gut feeling I guess that if we were able to control the flow of the game, we control the chances against our goal as well. If we can't keep the ball and our defense always plays long balls, then we will continue to see endless counter attacks, etc. Fix the midfield, get us a WC threat up top, and new full backs and you will have a fantastic team. But, just as the FB situation can't be ignored, either can buying a player like Sanchez or Kun.
Lastly, Kun would be the best option for us but if we have to pass for whatever reason then I'd be happy with Alexis though I feel Kun would bring us up so many more levels. Regardless of the player, one of them should be brought as a replacement for Ale. Our fans know it's Ale's last seaosn, well full season anyways and this club deserves to have a player that can create that spark and connection that Ale has done for so many years.
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Hus,
1- You seriously think we'd spend almost 50m on Aguero and reinforce our defense? With 50m, we can buy two excellent LB and RB and maybe get Giovinco back. Better than paying 50m for Aguero and squeezing ourselves with no much options left. Because it's pretty clear for me that once we pay 50m for Aguero we will not throw another 50m for two defenders at the back.
2- Are you saying we are a team that can attract Aguero who's already a big name but we can't attract a WC full-backs?
3- With Giovinco back. Quag, Matri, Giovinco Ale and Toni are more than okay to compete with any big team. (I've already seen what an inform Quag and Matri are capable of and I'm more than happy to have them).
1- You seriously think we'd spend almost 50m on Aguero and reinforce our defense? With 50m, we can buy two excellent LB and RB and maybe get Giovinco back. Better than paying 50m for Aguero and squeezing ourselves with no much options left. Because it's pretty clear for me that once we pay 50m for Aguero we will not throw another 50m for two defenders at the back.
2- Are you saying we are a team that can attract Aguero who's already a big name but we can't attract a WC full-backs?
3- With Giovinco back. Quag, Matri, Giovinco Ale and Toni are more than okay to compete with any big team. (I've already seen what an inform Quag and Matri are capable of and I'm more than happy to have them).
thats ridiculous
"maicon's inter" had sneijder, who was clearly the best player of the team
"cafu's roma" had totti, who was at times the best CAM in the world, they also had cassano back then
Dani alves sevillia, was full of creative talent.
they all added something to the team, but were NEVER the decisive factor, apart from maicon in the championsleague
next season, we are in the FUCKING SERIA A
70% of the games is against the shit teams, if you got decent fullbacks, its enough, its a LEAGUE, not a CUP¨
we are not playing knockout competition
aguero will bring commercial succes to our new stadium that everybody underestimates
he will bring confidence into a team that completely lacks it.
and, he'll score and create many goals, like zlatan did at milan
WHY did milan win the serie a ? because abate and antonini are FANTASTIC ?
NO
because they got decent fullbacks, and a fucking great frontline that made them win all the small games.
"maicon's inter" had sneijder, who was clearly the best player of the team
"cafu's roma" had totti, who was at times the best CAM in the world, they also had cassano back then
Dani alves sevillia, was full of creative talent.
they all added something to the team, but were NEVER the decisive factor, apart from maicon in the championsleague
next season, we are in the FUCKING SERIA A
70% of the games is against the shit teams, if you got decent fullbacks, its enough, its a LEAGUE, not a CUP¨
we are not playing knockout competition
aguero will bring commercial succes to our new stadium that everybody underestimates
he will bring confidence into a team that completely lacks it.
and, he'll score and create many goals, like zlatan did at milan
WHY did milan win the serie a ? because abate and antonini are FANTASTIC ?
NO
because they got decent fullbacks, and a fucking great frontline that made them win all the small games.
@Azzurri7: If we get Lichtsteiner, and that deal won't depend on any big move, our defense is ok for the third. Now, would you get a guy like Rolando knowing that it wouldn't allow us to get Kun?
Damn, not even in chosing defenders Marotta is good, but you can still apply that question to a better CB, imagining that Marotta would be capable to track one. Plus, we shouldn't burn Bonucci already. And Sorensen can turn out to be a surprise, afterall.
IMO a guy like Kun (+a good LW/AM - here Gio is ok to me, but Marotta will still investe in lesser quality most probably) for this season would be a pleasure in this "Marotta short-sighted project", so next year we could focus on a great LB. I mean, Ziegler made it clear that we won't get a good/great LB this season.
Look at our conceded goals before saying it again. We have the perfect example at home.
A great FB can make his position the more important on the field, btw.
Damn, not even in chosing defenders Marotta is good, but you can still apply that question to a better CB, imagining that Marotta would be capable to track one. Plus, we shouldn't burn Bonucci already. And Sorensen can turn out to be a surprise, afterall.
IMO a guy like Kun (+a good LW/AM - here Gio is ok to me, but Marotta will still investe in lesser quality most probably) for this season would be a pleasure in this "Marotta short-sighted project", so next year we could focus on a great LB. I mean, Ziegler made it clear that we won't get a good/great LB this season.
Look at our conceded goals before saying it again. We have the perfect example at home.
A great FB can make his position the more important on the field, btw.
Abate and Antonini are probably not world-class players yet but they're growing. And lets not forget Milan have Nesta and Silva. We have Chiellini-Bonucci (a couple that can not pass the ball to save their lives).
Italy is not Spain, Serie A is very tactical league with lots of ins and outs. You can't rely on your upfronts if you have weak defensive line.
Italy is not Spain, Serie A is very tactical league with lots of ins and outs. You can't rely on your upfronts if you have weak defensive line.
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