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electricRoo

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Feb 27, 2011
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Cronios, are you blinded that much by the price tag? Ziegler is a really good acquisition, especially for free. That leaves a weak position covered by a good player and frees up funds for other areas that need cover. LOL at calling Pirlo and Inler mediocre, you are so unrealistic it's hilarious, you want 4 superstars this transfer season? Click here and all your dreams will come true: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/
 

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Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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You don't like Inler Cron?
i do and i would prefer him to aquilani.
There are 2 reasons that i dont like Inlers transfer atm the one is explained in this post:
If we are to make about 15mil from Melo's sale, them it wouldnt make sense to prefer Aquilani's purchase for 14-18mil.
as Melo is less injury prone and seems more determined to fight for our cause.

Generally, if we sell Melo for 15mil, we lose 10 mil, so if if we plan to sell Melo (-25+15= -10) and Sissoko (-11+5=-6) , to get Aquilani (-18) and Inler (-15) it will cost us about 50mil total and i dont think that the Inler+Aquilani duo is worthy 50mil than the Melo+Sissoko one.

Esp as long as we have Pirlo, Marchisio and Pazienza to rotate with. We have other priorities, so we should better spend our cash elsewhere and stop overpaing and then selling off, we lose millions we cant afford in the process!
and the other is that i feel that we are risking to compromise the acquisitions of players we need more and ought to be our priorities (LB, LM and RB)
Because every year we sacrifice them for Inlers (which is not a Xavi or a Snaider)
If we do secure the above 3 starters we are missing since serie B, i dont mind us signing 100 more CMs and SSs...

But signing them at the instead of starter LB,RB and LM, is smth that i would consider a huge mistake, a mistake we repeat each and every year!
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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Cronios, are you blinded that much by the price tag? Ziegler is a really good acquisition, especially for free. That leaves a weak position covered by a good player and frees up funds for other areas that need cover. LOL at calling Pirlo and Inler mediocre, you are so unrealistic it's hilarious, you want 4 superstars this transfer season? Click here and all your dreams will come true: URL="http://www.mcfc.co.uk/"]http://www.mcfc.co.uk/[/URL]
Ziegler for free is indeed a good deal, so as Grossoforfree and Traore for free were.
and its really likely that Ziegler for free will be the best deal comparing to all the other deals, we made.
BUT, what even if Ziegler will be proved better than Molinaro, Grosso and Traore, he is still miles bellow Inler in my books.
The LB is a chronic issue that gives us a headache since serie B, since then we chose not to buy decent LBs and we instead bought expensive CMs for depth, Almiron and Marchisio, when we had Zanetti (last Moggi deal) Marchisio and Nocerino, then Diego and Melo, when we had Tiago, Marchisio, Zanetti, Almiron, Sissoko, nocerino and Giovinco.
Then Aquilani, when we had Melo, Marchisio and Sissoko. And now Inler when we have Marchisio, Melo, Pirlo and Sissoko.Can we live without Inler??
Is Marchisio, Melo, Pirlo and Sissoko really that bad, that we should give priority at buying Inler instead of an Inler quality LB?
Are Traore, Grosso and DC close to the Marchisio, Melo and Pirlo level?

Why are why buying such a limited LB? Because we dont wantto spend money, Ziegler is good for free, but not as good as we could have bought if he was our priority,
not as good as should have been and would have been if he would be worthy of Inler's money!

Ziegler for free and Inler for 10-15 mil are good transfers, but not for us, imo we have other priorities and those are compromised because we dont set our priorities right.
If we had a starter of Inler's quality as LB, then Ziegler foe free would be a great transfer!
If we were not having other issues in our first eleven (like the vacant LM, LB and RB starter positions) then Inler's transfer would be a great transfer as well.

and Pirlo is mediocre, there is a reason why Milan who can afford to have dinos for the prestige and only are selling him now.
Pirlo was never a very good athlete, but he had a great vision and brilliant pass, however the lack of pace and strength, which diminish over time, were always his weakness, even when he was younger. This is the reason, they kept the older Seedorf and Gattuso and not Pirlo. They know better than us if Pirlo is in Melo's shape or in Tiago's.
We are clueless, as we have always been, but we had a good hint, the appearances of Pirlo in the last season, there were so low, that even a fit player would have lost his form.

Milan had a great defense and great bulldog DMs, we are about to sell Sissoko and prolly Melo too, while having one of the worst defenses in serie A, def the worst of a team of our name. We have a coach who is very limited, as to how optimize the team around a tool like Pirlo.
Maybe Pirlo will last a season, of serie A only football, but he wont be a starter coming next year (unless we keep downgrading and wont have real alternatives)
At any case, either because of his inability to increase his workrate at full capacity, at this age and after a season on the bench (like the younger Tiago) or because of our defensive lapses and technical limitations, we wont be able to use Pirlo optimally.
 

Zacheryah

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Aug 29, 2010
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Ziegler for free is indeed a good deal, so as Grossoforfree and Traore for free were.
and its really likely that Ziegler for free will be the best deal comparing to all the other deals, we made.
BUT, what even if Ziegler will be proved better than Molinaro, Grosso and Traore, he is still miles bellow Inler in my books.
The LB is a chronic issue that gives us a headache since serie B, since then we chose not to buy decent LBs and we instead bought expensive CMs for depth, Almiron and Marchisio, when we had Zanetti (last Moggi deal) Marchisio and Nocerino, then Diego and Melo, when we had Tiago, Marchisio, Zanetti, Almiron, Sissoko, nocerino and Giovinco.
Then Aquilani, when we had Melo, Marchisio and Sissoko. And now Inler when we have Marchisio, Melo, Pirlo and Sissoko.Can we live without Inler??
Is Marchisio, Melo, Pirlo and Sissoko really that bad, that we should give priority at buying Inler instead of an Inler quality LB?
Are Traore, Grosso and DC close to the Marchisio, Melo and Pirlo level?

Why are why buying such a limited LB? Because we dont wantto spend money, Ziegler is good for free, but not as good as we could have bought if he was our priority,
not as good as should have been and would have been if he would be worthy of Inler's money!

Ziegler for free and Inler for 10-15 mil are good transfers, but not for us, imo we have other priorities and those are compromised because we dont set our priorities right.
If we had a starter of Inler's quality as LB, then Ziegler foe free would be a great transfer!
If we were not having other issues in our first eleven (like the vacant LM, LB and RB starter positions) then Inler's transfer would be a great transfer as well.

and Pirlo is mediocre, there is a reason why Milan who can afford to have dinos for the prestige and only are selling him now.
Pirlo was never a very good athlete, but he had a great vision and brilliant pass, however the lack of pace and strength, which diminish over time, were always his weakness, even when he was younger. This is the reason, they kept the older Seedorf and Gattuso and not Pirlo. They know better than us if Pirlo is in Melo's shape or in Tiago's.
We are clueless, as we have always been, but we had a good hint, the appearances of Pirlo in the last season, there were so low, that even a fit player would have lost his form.

Milan had a great defense and great bulldog DMs, we are about to sell Sissoko and prolly Melo too, while having one of the worst defenses in serie A, def the worst of a team of our name. We have a coach who is very limited, as to how optimize the team around a tool like Pirlo.
Maybe Pirlo will last a season, of serie A only football, but he wont be a starter coming next year (unless we keep downgrading and wont have real alternatives)
At any case, either because of his inability to increase his workrate at full capacity, at this age and after a season on the bench (like the younger Tiago) or because of our defensive lapses and technical limitations, we wont be able to use Pirlo optimally.
we got aquilani and he became our most creative central mid, after the injuries, it was hardly a bad choise

about ziegler

we cant argue its a good deal, he is free
but, if you think he isnt good enough, what lb would YOU sign, and for what fee ?

i'm very interested in this answer
 

electricRoo

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Feb 27, 2011
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Cronios, are you alvin's alt account or something? All you ever know how to do is bitch unrealistically at anything the team does. It's a joke that you think Ziegler is as bad as Traore or Grosso and that takes away all credibility from your argument.

You are retarded about Pirlo as well. Allegri uses a different style, with more defensive pressure in the midfield, which is why Pirlo was not retained. Or what? Are you going to tell me Van Bommel is a better player than Pirlo? Give me a break. Pirlo might be over the hill, but his passing and class are still there and useful for a couple of years, he's one of the few italians worth getting out there.
 

Nenz

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Apr 17, 2008
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we got aquilani and he became our most creative central mid, after the injuries, it was hardly a bad choise

about ziegler

we cant argue its a good deal, he is free
but, if you think he isnt good enough, what lb would YOU sign, and for what fee ?

i'm very interested in this answer
Coentrao 25M. And if you think 25M is too much for a LB then you're not getting the point. Fullbacks are just as important as any other position and we haven't been treating it as such.
 

only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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Coentrao 25M. And if you think 25M is too much for a LB then you're not getting the point. Fullbacks are just as important as any other position and we haven't been treating it as such.
I think it would make sence if your team is already completed and all that is missing is a world-class Fullback then the 25 million would make sence.

But if you got an average team (in almost every position) then spending 25 mil on a full-back would be a mad move.
 

Joe

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Dec 20, 2009
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We are standing as the only club that has made a bid for Aguero.

"The only bid we've received came from Juventus, via fax. But we won't release the player from one Euro, from the buy-out clause. If no one pays us the 45m €, the player won't go." - Miguel Angel Marin.
They'd definitely let him go for 35-40M, maybe throw in Tiago in there to sweeten the deal.
 
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