About time to rename this thread... where is the Very Close to Juve part. 
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Serbian Under-21 International Captain: Branislav Ivanovic (17 Viewers)
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Jinxed already...
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct27c.html
This week Lokomotiv Moscow goalkeeper Ivan Pelizzoli told the Italian media that his club teammate Ivanovic was ready for a January move to Juventus.
“That is not true,” replied the general manager. “Currently the transfer market is closed and we have not signed deals with any clubs or players. Yes we are trying to raise the quality of the squad, keeping a close eye on our players who are out on loan.”
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/oct27c.html
This week Lokomotiv Moscow goalkeeper Ivan Pelizzoli told the Italian media that his club teammate Ivanovic was ready for a January move to Juventus.
“That is not true,” replied the general manager. “Currently the transfer market is closed and we have not signed deals with any clubs or players. Yes we are trying to raise the quality of the squad, keeping a close eye on our players who are out on loan.”
First of all I'm not 100% Serb!
Second,I'm just realistic about the case,we need a proven defender.
I was against zigic as well cuz I don't recognize him as a decent one.
I was against ibrahimovic from the very start because I don't like the guy,his temper and altitude,but I'm strongly for Salihamidzic and I think that he was a great signing.
Second,I'm just realistic about the case,we need a proven defender.
I was against zigic as well cuz I don't recognize him as a decent one.
I was against ibrahimovic from the very start because I don't like the guy,his temper and altitude,but I'm strongly for Salihamidzic and I think that he was a great signing.
Not from my point of view.
He scored a goal against Reggina and Parma in the Cup,he made some good passes against Genoa,if he eneters the game instead of someone the level of the playing won't be slown down.He can cover several positions.
He has Champions League experience,and I really recognize him asd a good player.
He scored a goal against Reggina and Parma in the Cup,he made some good passes against Genoa,if he eneters the game instead of someone the level of the playing won't be slown down.He can cover several positions.
He has Champions League experience,and I really recognize him asd a good player.
My thoughts exactly. For the big money Lokomotiv seems to be commanding, he's an awfully big risk. Will he cope with the language barrier, how will he adapt to the Italian style, how will he cope with the greatly elevated level of competition?
I wouldn't be too upset if Juventus signed him, but I really think they can do better.
Personally, I'd take either of Palermo's star defenders (Barzagli and Zaccardo) over Ivanovic, if only because they've proven a lot more at Serie A and are still the optimal age for Juve to be looking at (23-27). Let alone Carvalho, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, et al.
I wouldn't be too upset if Juventus signed him, but I really think they can do better.
Personally, I'd take either of Palermo's star defenders (Barzagli and Zaccardo) over Ivanovic, if only because they've proven a lot more at Serie A and are still the optimal age for Juve to be looking at (23-27). Let alone Carvalho, Cannavaro, Zambrotta, et al.
Look, sometimes you have to take risks on young players. That's why Wenger is so successful at Arsenal. While we are over here wasting time discussing whether or not a starlet can adapt to a league and language, Arsene is over there snapping up players such as Eduardo, Toure, Rosicky and Luka Modric. Same story while we argue and talk nonsense over whether or not Cristiano Ronaldo is worth his price tag while Alex Ferguson purchases him and proceeds to make a world class player out of him.
I'm sick of this shit. Players such as Barzagli, Zaccardo and many others in Serie A are not half as talented as Ivanovic or Vidic and players such as Luka Modric. This conservative transfer approach is why we are still looking for heir-apparents to Pavel Nedved and perhaps even Zidane and Del Piero. This conservative transfer approach is why we will continue lagging behind the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Manure, Liverpool, and Milan while playing in Europe.
We don't even need to break the bank for some of these talents from South America or Eastern Europe, yet we seemingly never have any resources looking out for starlets in exotic places within this world.
When several top scouts and managers state that Ivanovic has more talent than Vidic, they aren't lying. I would much rather trust people such as Guus Hiddink than those who have not even seen players like Ivanovic play. Sure, players such as Barzagli and Zaccardo are Italian and experianced in Serie A, but these players are not world class and will never be world class. So if we want to continue being a mediocre top side, sure, lets go ahead and purchase those two Palermo players who are good stoppers at best. But if we want to put ourselves back on top of this football world, lets start taking chances on the youth and throw away this imbecilic conservative transfer policy that gets us nowhere.
I'm sick of this shit. Players such as Barzagli, Zaccardo and many others in Serie A are not half as talented as Ivanovic or Vidic and players such as Luka Modric. This conservative transfer approach is why we are still looking for heir-apparents to Pavel Nedved and perhaps even Zidane and Del Piero. This conservative transfer approach is why we will continue lagging behind the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Manure, Liverpool, and Milan while playing in Europe.
We don't even need to break the bank for some of these talents from South America or Eastern Europe, yet we seemingly never have any resources looking out for starlets in exotic places within this world.
When several top scouts and managers state that Ivanovic has more talent than Vidic, they aren't lying. I would much rather trust people such as Guus Hiddink than those who have not even seen players like Ivanovic play. Sure, players such as Barzagli and Zaccardo are Italian and experianced in Serie A, but these players are not world class and will never be world class. So if we want to continue being a mediocre top side, sure, lets go ahead and purchase those two Palermo players who are good stoppers at best. But if we want to put ourselves back on top of this football world, lets start taking chances on the youth and throw away this imbecilic conservative transfer policy that gets us nowhere.
Normally, I'd agree with you. However, Juventus are not in a normal situation. They just had their core ripped apart and are going to struggle to be even top four in Serie A, let alone any Champions League aspirations. They do not have the strong backbones teams like Barcelona, Real Madrid, Arsenal, Manure, Liverpool, and Milan have anymore. They are not in a position to experiment much more than they are right now. They are arguably fielding more youth than I can remember with Nocerino, Chiellini, Molinaro, Criscito and Palladino as contributing squad members. Giovinco and Marchisio are likely to grab spots next season as well. Note that three of those young guys are defenders, two of which are regulars right now.
What happens if Ivanovic comes in, and has a hard time establishing himself, Legrottaglie regresses back to being marginal and Andrade isn't back till late March (all very possible scenarios). The backend looks very grim, that's what happens and there's a good chance that porous backline gets horribly exposed by the likes of Milan, Inter, Roma, Fiorentina, not to mention teams like Palermo,Torino, Lazio, Udinese and Napoli... and as a result the team doesn't make top 4, and loses an ass-ton of money from missing CL.
The summer transfer market has ended up being pathetic. Tiago isn't finding a place, Almiron is underachieving, Andrade is in sickbay, Molinaro isn't good enough... Iaquinta is the best of the bunch, but he seems to be sick/hurt every two weeks. Why was the summer transfer period such a joke? Cause they took too many chances instead of doling out for one or two can't miss players.
Bring Ivanovic, but make sure you sign a can't miss defender too, because Juventus can't afford to wait six months for him to get used to the team and the level of competition.
Once they have the depth of those top European clubs you mentioned, then I fully expect Juventus to take aggressive chances on the next phenom. I just don't think they have the luxury of being able to do that right now.
What happens if Ivanovic comes in, and has a hard time establishing himself, Legrottaglie regresses back to being marginal and Andrade isn't back till late March (all very possible scenarios). The backend looks very grim, that's what happens and there's a good chance that porous backline gets horribly exposed by the likes of Milan, Inter, Roma, Fiorentina, not to mention teams like Palermo,Torino, Lazio, Udinese and Napoli... and as a result the team doesn't make top 4, and loses an ass-ton of money from missing CL.
The summer transfer market has ended up being pathetic. Tiago isn't finding a place, Almiron is underachieving, Andrade is in sickbay, Molinaro isn't good enough... Iaquinta is the best of the bunch, but he seems to be sick/hurt every two weeks. Why was the summer transfer period such a joke? Cause they took too many chances instead of doling out for one or two can't miss players.
Bring Ivanovic, but make sure you sign a can't miss defender too, because Juventus can't afford to wait six months for him to get used to the team and the level of competition.
Once they have the depth of those top European clubs you mentioned, then I fully expect Juventus to take aggressive chances on the next phenom. I just don't think they have the luxury of being able to do that right now.
But who's to say that Barzagli won't end up like Legrottaglie, or the more recent Almiron? We have seen Barzagli enough to know that he's not world class, and while he is a decent stopper, he won't save us from the mistakes of our other defenders like Fabio Cannavaro would. And besides, Zamparini will not sell Andrea below ten million Euros, while we could potentially purchase Ivanovic for 14 million Euros. A difference of 4 million Euros between what some scouts label the best defensive starlet in world football and Andrea Barzagli... come on, brother.
Well, we could have purchased this sort of defensive leader during the summer, but Secco failed in signing Milito. Now we could potentially go after someone such as Carvalho or Gallas, but those players will be far more expensive than Ivanovic, so where is the limit?
We cannot keep purchasing old stalwarts while not building for the future. Ivanovic has exceled for Serbia when given the chance and is probably the best young stopper in any league besides the top three currently. We can either wait on Ivanovic and buy a player like Gallas instead, but I gaurantee you that we will lose out on Ivanovic and that could mean losing out on a player who could potentially lead our defense for a decade just to buy another 31 year-old.
Well, we could have purchased this sort of defensive leader during the summer, but Secco failed in signing Milito. Now we could potentially go after someone such as Carvalho or Gallas, but those players will be far more expensive than Ivanovic, so where is the limit?
We cannot keep purchasing old stalwarts while not building for the future. Ivanovic has exceled for Serbia when given the chance and is probably the best young stopper in any league besides the top three currently. We can either wait on Ivanovic and buy a player like Gallas instead, but I gaurantee you that we will lose out on Ivanovic and that could mean losing out on a player who could potentially lead our defense for a decade just to buy another 31 year-old.
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