Sebastian Giovinco (81 Viewers)

Would you bring Giovinco back next season?

  • Yeah, we could use him

  • Nope, get rid of him


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Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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:shifty: I am not hailing Gio as our savior, but surely he deserves a chance. The team is looking hopeless as it is; there can't possibly be any harm in trying something different. At least we know he adds pace and creativity. I am bored of watching a boring, disgusting, workmanlike Juve. In fact, we look more dysfunctional and static as every weeks goes by!
 

Bianconero81

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Jan 26, 2009
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Buck Futter, I have a question for you. When you were originally thinking of a name, were you considering Butt Fucker, or Fuck Butter?! I rearranged the letters in your name, and played around with them a bit, and realized those were the 2 most obvious aliases you were potentially thinking of going by, before settling on Buck Futter ;)
 

tibike

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Dec 11, 2007
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People go on about as if he'll single-handedly save our team. He's good but he's obviously not that good.
It's not about Giovinco, it's the position he plays in. Playing Giovinco means we have to play the only formation that worked for us this season, the 4-2-3-1. And since Giovinco is the only one who can play on the left wing, then it simply comes down to "Giovinco = 4-2-3-1, no Giovinco =/= 4-2-3-1".
 

Buck Fuddy

Lara Chedraoui fanboy
May 22, 2009
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:shifty: I am not hailing Gio as our savior, but surely he deserves a chance. The team is looking hopeless as it is; there can't possibly be any harm in trying something different. At least we know he adds pace and creativity. I am bored of watching a boring, disgusting, workmanlike Juve. In fact, we look more dysfunctional and static as every weeks goes by!
I think that, by now, every outsider can agree that Gio deserves another chance.


Buck Futter, I have a question for you. When you were originally thinking of a name, were you considering Butt Fucker, or Fuck Butter?! I rearranged the letters in your name, and played around with them a bit, and realized those were the 2 most obvious aliases you were potentially thinking of going by, before settling on Buck Futter ;)
* trying to think of something witty*

Actually, I was going for Burt Cufker.

* realizing miserable failure*


That being said,Italy is dooooooomed.He won't play for arsenal & single handedly win the WC for Italy.:cry:
See, I was trying to be careful about it. You on the other hand, just shattered everyone's dream!
 

tibike

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Dec 11, 2007
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Regardless of Giovinco's talent, Juventine has made some excellent & objective points in this thread.
But, as usual, objectivity isn't really welcome around these parts.
Let me try and refute those excellent points:

So Pato, Jovetic, Balotelli, Hernandez, Pastore, Paloschi and etc are 29? or Are they playing in Premier League or what?
Pato, Hernandez, Pastore and Paloschi were bought for big money by their resprective clubs, ergo, bought to play, as they are seen as developed players, not youngsters, not to sit on the bench (Paloschi, IIRC, very rarely played for his home club - AC Milan, despite his qualities, which further supports Dooz's point). Jovetic plays under Prandelli, who has a history of developing young players, but I'll give you that. Balotelli plays under a Portuguese coach, where the argument "Italians don't play youngsters" doesn't apply.

Giovinco himself has always said he wants to stay at Juve. It's his own choice. Besides except Arsenal(and at the moment when Giovinco was requiring a new contract. We don't know Arsenal was really interested or not anyway because there are a lot of transfer rumors and most of which are made by these agents), is there ever any big name interested in him? The answer is no and no.
We could have used him as a bargaining chip 3 times, if I remember correctly, we haven't, because supposedly, we want him to stay as well, so it's 50-50.


1. I'm not sure about that. I watched Messi, Iniesta and Co. closely. Nobody can bully them off the ball. And Giovinco can't control the ball like they do (If the defenders make "contraste" with him, they can rob him off the ball or knock him out without being considered as a foul).
This point I'll concede, even though I think it hugely comes down to match practice and experience, but now I don't see a reason how to support it.

2. Pedro and Co. know how to shoot in movement. Pedro scored the winning goal for Barcelona once he got his limited playing time. Giovinco rarely score in movement (in 20+ matches, he can score like 1 goal in movement). Not once has he ever scored a winning goal even for the Italy U-21. Not once has he ever socred a winning goal in movement for Juve and certainly he didn't only start once for Juve = =
Try to find all Giovinco's matches (including the Empoli and U-21 ones) and make a HL about him scoring (not by freekick, I give credit to his good freekicks), I doubt you can make a decent-length video of him shooting.
Pedro is a striker, Giovinco is a winger/trequartista. Giovinco's job is not score goals, but to create chances (that's basically saying that Diego is a worse player than Iaquinta, because Iaquinta scores more goals), which (AHA!) is our main problem at the moment. We can't create chances. And as we have only two other players whose job is to create chances, Diego and Camo, and Camo is currently injured, and thus our attack has become sooo predictable, that's why people want Giovinco. I hope that now you understand, that it's not about Giovinco being a savior, but that his current qualities and abilites might be just the thing this team is lacking. And if we look into the past, we see that with the Gio-Diego-Camo trident behind the lone striker we played the best football, well, that only supports the notion that Giovinco must be doing something right.
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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Seriously how can anyone compare players developing at barcelona & Juve is beyond me.One team has a fantastic,positive winning mentality & the other team living in the past with a fluctuating mentality.

Does anyone really think Messi would thrive amongst our team?
 

SABSAB

Snoop Stinks
Dec 10, 2008
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Seriously how can anyone compare players developing at barcelona & Juve is beyond me.One team has a fantastic,positive winning mentality & the other team living in the past with a fluctuating mentality.

Does anyone really think Messi would thrive amongst our team?
He wouldn't play:D
He'd sit on the bench, he's to young to be given a chance, probably just got loaned to Serie B where he gets 5 min every match.

He couldn't have developed himself like he has now. Never. Here they don't get the chance to make mistakes and learn.
 

tibike

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Dec 11, 2007
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Seriously how can anyone compare players developing at barcelona & Juve is beyond me.One team has a fantastic,positive winning mentality & the other team living in the past with a fluctuating mentality.

Does anyone really think Messi would thrive amongst our team?
:tup:
 

Byrone

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Dec 19, 2005
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He wouldn't play:D
He'd sit on the bench, he's to young to be given a chance, probably just got loaned to Serie B where he gets 5 min every match.

He couldn't have developed himself like he has now. Never. Here they don't get the chance to make mistakes and learn.
I know.:D

But on a serious note,barcelona can afford to give their youngsters a chance,considering their entire starting line up is quality & their bench.Their youngsters can afford to screw up because they have ample cover in case errors are made.Not to forget the established stars are rubbing off onto their youngsters & instills a winning mentality & excellent confidence.Players like Messi are protected just like our days with Zidane.Davids,Conte,Tacchinardi & Di Livio would be all over potential destroyers trying to come near Zizou.Now we have Diego that has no cover & that has to run back & do defensive work in order to regain possession.How is Giovinco ever supposed to flourish when our midfielders are a bunch of flamingos?

On our side of the grass,you screw up half the team could collapse.You get 5min to play & impress,you still end up on the bench.A lot of it has to do with player quality & tactics but the psychological aspect of the game is completely overlooked in this team.
 

Buck Fuddy

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May 22, 2009
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Pato, Hernandez, Pastore and Paloschi were bought for big money by their resprective clubs, ergo, bought to play, as they are seen as developed players, not youngsters, not to sit on the bench (Paloschi, IIRC, very rarely played for his home club - AC Milan, despite his qualities, which further supports Dooz's point). Jovetic plays under Prandelli, who has a history of developing young players, but I'll give you that. Balotelli plays under a Portuguese coach, where the argument "Italians don't play youngsters" doesn't apply.
So, a player that you bring for big money has to play, regardless if he's good enough or not? Maybe it's me, but that just doesn't seem right.


We could have used him as a bargaining chip 3 times, if I remember correctly, we haven't, because supposedly, we want him to stay as well, so it's 50-50.
Juventine asked which big club has shown a true, concrete interest. Answer = none.
I know we could have used him as a bargaining chip to deal with the likes of Palermo & Udinese, but I don't consider them big clubs.


Pedro is a striker, Giovinco is a winger/trequartista. Giovinco's job is not score goals, but to create chances (that's basically saying that Diego is a worse player than Iaquinta, because Iaquinta scores more goals), which (AHA!) is our main problem at the moment. We can't create chances. And as we have only two other players whose job is to create chances, Diego and Camo, and Camo is currently injured, and thus our attack has become sooo predictable, that's why people want Giovinco. I hope that now you understand, that it's not about Giovinco being a savior, but that his current qualities and abilites might be just the thing this team is lacking. And if we look into the past, we see that with the Gio-Diego-Camo trident behind the lone striker we played the best football, well, that only supports the notion that Giovinco must be doing something right.
I don't expect Giovinco to score 20 goals a season. However, I do find it odd that he scores so very little, considering that he is in fact an attacking player.


Anyway, I was more referring to Juventine's arguments that our youngsters are immensely overrated by most people (by both Juve- related press & fans).
A few years ago, our biggest Primavera talent was Paolucci. Look how he has turned out.

In general, I also do believe that we should try to give our youngsters a decent chance, but I am far from convinced that they are actually good enough.
I see a lot of people claiming that we waste our youngsters by not giving them real chances.
But, as I already asked in a different thread: Name me one of those youngsters that we lost, that actually turned out to be a great player.
 

tibike

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Dec 11, 2007
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So, a player that you bring for big money has to play, regardless if he's good enough or not? Maybe it's me, but that just doesn't seem right.
It doesn't seem right to me, either, but that seems to be the way.


Juventine asked which big club has shown a true, concrete interest. Answer = none.
I know we could have used him as a bargaining chip to deal with the likes of Palermo & Udinese, but I don't consider them big clubs.
True, but then again, he never had the chance to interest anyone. And you can't really scout a player who rarely plays. The fact that despite his little playing time, teams like Udinese and Palermo are interested, is for me a point in support of Giovinco's qualities, rather than against. But that may be because I see him as a good player, while you think I see him as a superstar.


I don't expect Giovinco to score 20 goals a season. However, I do find it odd that he scores so very little, considering that he is in fact an attacking player.
I think his goal scoring record is adequate for a winger (1-2 goals every 10 matches). Anyway, to me, he is a player that likes to pass more than shoot, as evidenced by his last season, where he scored 2, but assisted 7. And if you compare how many chances we create and goals we score with and without him on the field, you simply have to see his contribution. As long as the team plays well and scores with him on the field, I don't care who scores.

Anyway, I was more referring to Juventine's arguments that our youngsters are immensely overrated by most people (by both Juve- related press & fans).
A few years ago, our biggest Primavera talent was Paolucci. Look how he has turned out.
True, many people overrate our youngsters, me occasionaly included. But that should not be an argument in favor of NEVER playing our youngsters.

In general, I also do believe that we should try to give our youngsters a decent chance, but I am far from convinced that they are actually good enough.
I see a lot of people claiming that we waste our youngsters by not giving them real chances.
But, as I already asked in a different thread: Name me one of those youngsters that we lost, that actually turned out to be a great player.
Rocchi :D
But yeah, I see your point, and I agree, there weren't that many of our youth products that were good enough. But with Giovinco, I think, we have a player who's would be an integral part of any mid table club in Serie A. He may not be the best, but he sure is good enough to fight for the LM/LW/LAM spot. What goes beyond me, is why the coaches rather use our supposedly best players, instead of using our best team.
 

Suns

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May 22, 2009
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He was second in assists for our team last year where he had 9 or 10 assist in only about 1000 minutes, compare that to the other players who played around 3000 minutes but they weren't even close. He was behind 3 out of 4 goals Italy scored last Summer in the U21 Championship and was voted by Uefa as one of the best players of the tournament. Thats hard facts for you guys that you can't deny. Now, calling a player like that overrated seems a bit off to me.
 

tibike

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Dec 11, 2007
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He was second in assists for our team last year where he had 9 or 10 assist in only about 1000 minutes, compare that to the other players who played around 3000 minutes but they weren't even close. He was behind 3 out of 4 goals Italy scored last Summer in the U21 Championship and was voted by Uefa as one of the best players of the tournament. Thats hard facts for you guys that you can't deny. Now, calling a player like that overrated seems a bit off to me.
Even if he didn't assist, we play so much better with him on the field. Simply put, when he plays, the opposition defense has one more thing to worry about. And that is a good enough reason for me to play him. Especially when we have two of Sissoko, Melo, Marchisio to cover for him defensively.
 

only-juve

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Jan 5, 2008
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I don't expect Giovinco to score 20 goals a season. However, I do find it odd that he scores so very little, considering that he is in fact an attacking player.
The man have scored 6 goals out of 29 goals that empoli have scored in 07-08 season and considering that he didn't start probably 1/3rd of Empoli's games that season plus that season being he's first "ever" season in serie A i would say that is a pretty good stats for him.

I've watched Empoli's games that season (every single game with the exception of their game with napoli in napoli that year) he was really impressive. I absalutely hate to overrate players i never really did but anyone that followed Gio that season would say to you, that he's vision and passing are really impressive. IMO he's one of the "best" passers in serie A.

He has an eye for that killer pass that will win you games, i've seen him do that over and over again with empoli if not for their dump ass strikers that have missed many open chances several times.He's shots are not bad either, he just need bit of confidence and time to work on them.

I'm 100% sure that if Gio played in a team that had some confidence in him he will deliver so many great performances. The man can't start 3 games in a row for us how can anyone expect anything from him ?!

Have anyone saw Jovetic when he first started playing for Fiorentina ?! He was pretty average other than small touches here and there but they had full confidence in him and look at him now....
 

tibike

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Dec 11, 2007
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Giovinco has played 491 minutes and we have scored 16 goals with him on the field in Serie A. We have scored 35 goals in 2070 minutes of Serie A. That's a goal for every 30.69 minutes Giovinco is on the pitch, one goal for every 59.14 minutes of Serie A football played, and one goal per 83.11 minutes without Giovinco. I think the difference is dramatic enough to state that with Giovinco our attack is much better.
 

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