Sebastian Giovinco (26 Viewers)

[CAPITANO]

He did not fail at Roma. He had a falling out, mostly due to his petulant attitude. He had nearly 40 goals in 120 matches between the ages of 19-22 for a squad that was competing for the Scudetto and plyaing in the Champions league.

The Real Madrid move was an unmitigated disaster that never should have happened to begin with.

How many play makers do you need? You can never have enough play makers on a team. Never.

he had a falling out with Roma because he wasn't the main man and Totti was getting all the attention, he said to the club its me or Totti.

If we didn't have Diego and needed a play maker then fine, but theres no point spending 20m on a player that could become very disruptive by spending time on the bench

 

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[Stephan]

If Ciro doesnt play him much this season (which i can see, when DP, Diego, Amauri are fit, then i would consider loaning him in the winter, for the sake of the player. Going back to some mid table italian team, and play regularly week in week out, and then next summer we could see what to do. Either sell him to that club, sell him abroad (wenger was interested), make him regular at here, or something else.

 

[Tomice]

The only guarantees in life are death and taxes.

But if you look at it from a different point of view, I think he realizes now that his actions, if he were to revert back to his old ways, would practically assure him that he never wears the Italian Jersey again, and that he will end up playing in Saudi Arabia 9 years before he should.

He has way too much to lose at this point

Interasting point.

I read an Interview with him that he gave to a local paper here a year ago.

He said there that he was born talnted and he found out that in a small club he can actually give about 60% and still make a lot of money, so he can afford the life style he wants to compensate for his childhood and thats all he realy needs in life.
then he started talking about food ( it wasnt a purely sport paper, just a section )

anyway, that dosent sound like he have a true desire to lead a team to fame and work hard in the proccess.
I will try to find a copy of that somewhere.

 

[Bjerknes]

"yet"

But Andy, you are as astute of footballing talent as anyone I know, considering your playing history.

Can you honestly tell me that Giovinco is as talented as Cassano?

Cassano, at the ages of 19 and 20, was an integral part of a Roma sqaud that was challenging for the Scudetto. That speaks volumes for the talent that he has.

My playing history isn't anything special, but this topic at hand is hard to address considering Giovinco got a later start to first team football than Cassano. The reason for that was probably partly due to his size. Looking at his loan spell at Empoli, I'd say he showed similar talent to that of Cassano when he was 20, albeit not as an imposing figure or personality on the pitch.

So yes, Cassano is more talented than Giovinco at this point in time. But as we have seen with other players throughout history, sometimes talent isn't realized until later in a career. Or better yet, sometimes true ability isn't. As everyone remembers, the Henry debacle was a shame -- a shame that perhaps should tell us, "hey, perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to pull the trigger."

Giovinco reminds me a lot of Freddy Adu. Tons of talent, but tons of pressure weighed on him, not to mention a smaller stature. I have seen these two guys play top class football at the highest level, but have failed to keep the train moving consistently. Does this mean we should give up on them now? Hello no, IMO, and if say that for one, I say it for the other.

Personally, I think we owe it to our own team to keep Giovinco. If these kids spend their lives training for the Primavera but continue getting shipped away in one form or another once they graduate, even when they're highly talented, it doesn't exude confidence in our club's youth system. But that's just my opinion and I'm tired of seeing all the other great freakin' clubs in the world keeping their talent and giving them chances.

 

[Stephan]

he had a falling out with Roma because he wasn't the main man and Totti was getting all the attention, he said to the club its me or Totti.

If we didn't have Diego and needed a play maker then fine, but theres no point spending 20m on a player that could become very disruptive by spending time on the bench

I doubt we would bring in Cassano to be a bench player. And we wont pay 20m for a bench warmer.

 

[rounder]

With Cassano we win the CL? Cassano wouldn't bring us shit, it's not Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about. It's fucking Cassano who has been off the radar and forgotten for years and is now performing good. We have Del Piero who is better yet I don't see us winning the CL.

Giovinco is a potential bandiera, Cassano is a potential psycho.

And why is people doubting Giovinco after like 3 games as a trequartista? The guy is obviously a winger.

When Giovinco played as a winger last season, everyone in here said he is playing out of his natural position which is traquerista. Now it's the opposite. If you are defending Gio, don't use idiotic arguments like that. The fact is, we don't know what his natural position is. And it definitely isn't on the wing, he played relatively badly in that position under Ranieri.

Cassano maybe a psycho, but he's a brilliant psycho at that.

 

[Bjerknes]

No it doesn't. I always wanted youth players here and I'm still in that place. Still, that doesn't change anything in this case. There is no reason to keep some if other player is better who can offer much more to us. When it comes down to this you consider only ; who's better, who can offer more. Both would be Cassano, he can still play for 5 more years.

Would you get Ribery instead of De Ceglie? Yes you would. It's a different case but it gives an example.

Yes it does. Why should young talent come here when they're either shipped on loan or used for profit?

Our best youth talent in God knows how long might be shipped out even despite being 22 and showing himself to be very talented... for an older player.

It just doesn't exude confidence, and as a young talented player, I wouldn't want to come to Juventus looking at what goes on here.

 

[Suns]

When Giovinco played as a winger last season, everyone in here said he is playing out of his natural position which is traquerista. Now it's the opposite. If you are defending Gio, don't use idiotic arguments like that. The fact is, we don't know what his natural position is. And it definitely isn't on the wing, he played relatively badly in that position under Ranieri.

Cassano maybe a psycho, but he's a brilliant psycho at that.

Giovinco is a winger in a 4-3-3(Think Henry's spot in Barcelona), he is not a LM but more of a AML.

And he wasn't bad on the wing, he was amazing. 10 assists(2nd after Capitano) in 1300 minutes last season is not bad.

 

[Bjerknes]

And it definitely isn't on the wing, he played relatively badly in that position under Ranieri.

No he did not, not any worse than Nedved.

Claiming he was bad there is disinfo.

 

[KB824]

If Diego were healthy this past week, would we have even seen Giovinco at all?

We can sit here and argue and debate about this until the cows come home, but in the end it is up to the coach to play him.

Ranieri didn't do it last year, and Ferrara has only done it because of the injury to Diego

 

[rounder]

Personally, I think we owe it to our own team to keep Giovinco. If these kids spend their lives training for the Primavera but continue getting shipped away in one form or another once they graduate, even when they're highly talented, it doesn't exude confidence in our club's youth system. But that's just my opinion and I'm tired of seeing all the other great freakin' clubs in the world keeping their talent and giving them chances.

Why the negativity? Look at Marchisio. He graduated out of the Juventus youth system and now is a starter for both Juve and Italy. That goes to show you that Juve do not have anything against young talents, just as long as they prove to be consistent enough. That's what Giovinco hasn't done so far unfortunately. He needs to play his heart out every single game he starts, he needs to start thinking positively rather than moan about being second best to Diego.

 

[KB824]

Giovinco is a winger in a 4-3-3(Think Henry's spot in Barcelona), he is not a LM but more of a AML.

And he wasn't bad on the wing, he was amazing. 10 assists(2nd after Capitano) in 1300 minutes last season is not bad.

In a 4-4-2 formation.

Would you be comfortable leaving the little guy out there on the wing in a 4-3-1-2 formation for 90 minutes at a time?

Teams would beat the shit out of him if here were on that island for that long

 

[Stephan]

Looking back at Gio career history, first team action at first team came in the calciopoli in 2006. It would have been wise to continue from there, getting up and etc, but what happened was the loan deal. Now thinking about this, 2007 we were rebuilding, made some buys, many what didnt really work out well, ofcourse Ranieri was sticking with Nedved also, but maybe, just maybe, Giovinco if he had stayed and we had had some other manager, would NOW be in a better state then how things have gone.
His first part of loan spell also didnt help his progress, it took him half a season to become regular ( i watched Empoli games at times, for his progress). Then he comes back, again sits on the bench. Now tell me, how is a player going to improve and become better if he doesnt play.

 

[Tomice]

If Deigo were healthy this past week, would we have even seen Giovinco at all?

We can sit here and argue and debate about this until the cows come home, but in the end it is up to the coach to play him.

Ranieri didn't do it last year, and Ferrara has only done it because of the injury to Diego

there's a long way ahead. he isnt a starter or was meant to be this year.

All this debate is pointless if you look at it like that, it should be delayed towerds mid season at least.

 

[KB824]

Why the negativity? Look at Marchisio. He graduated out of the Juventus youth system and now is a starter for both Juve and Italy. That goes to show you that Juve do not have anything against young talents, just as long as they prove to be consistent enough. That's what Giovinco hasn't done so far unfortunately. He needs to play his heart out every single game he starts, he needs to start thinking positively rather than moan about being second best to Diego.

I don't question whether he plays his heart out or not. I honestly feel he does. I just don't think he has the physicality to go out there for 90 minutes every single match and perform at a high level.

And its really not his fault, its just the body he was given with. Football is a pretty rough game, especially in Serie A.

He would probably be tremendous in Spain, however.

 

[KB824]

Looking back at Gio career history, first team action at first team came in the calciopoli in 2006. It would have been wise to continue from there, getting up and etc, but what happened was the loan deal. Now thinking about this, 2007 we were rebuilding, made some buys, many what didnt really work out well, ofcourse Ranieri was sticking with Nedved also, but maybe, just maybe, Giovinco if he had stayed and we had had some other manager, would NOW be in a better state then how things have gone.
His first part of loan spell also didnt help his progress, it took him half a season to become regular ( i watched Empoli games at times, for his progress). Then he comes back, again sits on the bench. Now tell me, how is a player going to improve and become better if he doesnt play.

Correct.

It took him half a year to be a starter.

at Empoli.

Where they really had no one else.

That gives me cause for concern

 

[Bjerknes]

Why the negativity? Look at Marchisio. He graduated out of the Juventus youth system and now is a starter for both Juve and Italy. That goes to show you that Juve do not have anything against young talents, just as long as they prove to be consistent enough. That's what Giovinco hasn't done so far unfortunately. He needs to play his heart out every single game he starts, he needs to start thinking positively rather than moan about being second best to Diego.

Marchisio hasn't been that great, and isn't as talented as Giovinco.

But as a player, I wouldn't want to come to Juventus just to be loaned out, and that's part of the problem with Giovinco.

Looking back at Gio career history, first team action at first team came in the calciopoli in 2006. It would have been wise to continue from there, getting up and etc, but what happened was the loan deal. Now thinking about this, 2007 we were rebuilding, made some buys, many what didnt really work out well, ofcourse Ranieri was sticking with Nedved also, but maybe, just maybe, Giovinco if he had stayed and we had had some other manager, would NOW be in a better state then how things have gone.
His first part of loan spell also didnt help his progress, it took him half a season to become regular ( i watched Empoli games at times, for his progress). Then he comes back, again sits on the bench. Now tell me, how is a player going to improve and become better if he doesnt play.

EXACTLY.

 

[KB824]

there's a long way ahead. he isnt a starter or was meant to be this year.

All this debate is pointless if you look at it like that, it should be delayed towerds mid season at least.

Then the question you have to ask is if he wasn't meant tobe a strter this year, then when exactly is that supposed to take place?

And for whom?

I still feel he is too frail and too much of a defensive liability to play the wing in a 4-3-1-2 formation.

Could they switch formations to possibly a 4-3-2-1 and have him partner Diego behind the striker? Possibly, but now you are upsetting the balance of the team just for one player.

They already did it for Diego this season, and well, we know that Diego is better

 

[rounder]

No he did not, not any worse than Nedved.

Claiming he was bad there is disinfo.

Giovinco is a winger in a 4-3-3(Think Henry's spot in Barcelona), he is not a LM but more of a AML.

And he wasn't bad on the wing, he was amazing. 10 assists(2nd after Capitano) in 1300 minutes last season is not bad.

Then why did Nedved always get to start ahead of Giovinco? And lets not forget we are comparing a 36 year old out of form Nedved to Giovinco.

Maybe he wasn't that bad. To be fair, he was average, but he definitely wasn't amazing. I remember he had 2 or 3 very good games with Juve last season. In one of them, he combined brilliantly with Alex but did not score. One of them was when he scored our winning goal after IQ chested it down for him. And that last one was when he came in as a sub against Chelsea. Other than those three games, he wasn't anything close to brilliant.

 

[Bjerknes]

In a 4-4-2 formation.

Would you be comfortable leaving the little guy out there on the wing in a 4-3-1-2 formation for 90 minutes at a time?

Teams would beat the shit out of him if here were on that island for that long

There are no wingers in a 4-3-1-2 formation. I certainly wouldn't play him next to Melo and behind Diego though.