Sebastian Giovinco (56 Viewers)

[Stephan]

If Gio needs to gain some weight, then we should swap Cassano with someone else, Cassano could come handy for Gio in the gaining weight aspect.

 

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[Bjerknes]

Then why did Nedved always get to start ahead of Giovinco? And lets not forget we are comparing a 36 year old out of form Nedved to Giovinco.

Ranieri was either 1) an idiot (which we know is true) or 2) wanted to protect the defense with Nedved's running. Probably both.

Don't ask foolish questions you already know the answer to.

 

[Salvatore]

With Cassano we win the CL? Cassano wouldn't bring us shit, it's not Messi or Ronaldo we are talking about. It's fucking Cassano who has been off the radar and forgotten for years and is now performing good.

Look at teams like Barça though, they don't just have Messi doing everything. Diego is very talented, but I don't want to rely on him so much in the center, ideally I'd like to see Giovinco become a brilliant player alongside them both. And I think Cassano better than Del Piero right now.

I completely agree with the winger part though, hope we can see him there again.

 

[Suns]

In a 4-4-2 formation.

Would you be comfortable leaving the little guy out there on the wing in a 4-3-1-2 formation for 90 minutes at a time?

Teams would beat the shit out of him if here were on that island for that long

Easy on Giovinco.

And you are overrating Cassano, he is good and all but you are willing to give away one of the biggest young talents out there who Juventus created(Who btw is a Juve-fan since he was a kid) and you started talking about Cassano giving us the Champions League. I'm not even convinced that Cassano will be a success with us. And, if we signed him today he wouldn't even play cuz both Del Piero and Diego are better.

And yes, I would be comfortable leaving Giovinco out on the wing in a 4-3-3. He is not made to play on the wing in a 4-4-2 but so isn't for example Messi or Robben. Messi and Giovinco are the type of players that wants to attack from the flanks by beating their opponents.

 

[KB824]

There are no wingers in a 4-3-1-2 formation. I certainly wouldn't play him next to Melo and behind Diego though.

You know what I mean, Andy.

Maybe I didn't use the proper terminology, but you know what I'm talking about

 

[Tomice]

Then the question you have to ask is if he wasn't meant tobe a strter this year, then when exactly is that supposed to take place?

And for whom?

I still feel he is too frail and too much of a defensive liability to play the wing in a 4-3-1-2 formation.

Could they switch formations to possibly a 4-3-2-1 and have him partner Diego behind the striker? Possibly, but now you are upsetting the balance of the team just for one player.

They already did it for Diego this season, and well, we know that Diego is better

Some players mature late, some peak late, some players never will. I dont feel like i realy need to give exempls.

What i'm saying is that its still early. i see no reason not to keep him for the next 2 years even as a sub. Not being a sure starter isnt bad. any team can use a player like him and if he will prove that he deserve to start Ciro will find a way to play him.

 

[Cronios]

CR was a loser and a coward, he would prefer to secure the draw, rather than opt for the win with the chances favoring him!

Therefore he was desperate with the defensive coverage and experience!
Giovinco was weak in both sectors and thats why CR never really liked him...
and he only dared to field him, when his hand was forced.

One other problem was that our defense was so weak, that the midfielders should work for them too, just for us to survive a match.

As for Cassano, c moon, he is finished and he would add nothing to our squad!

 

[rounder]

Ranieri was either 1) an idiot (which we know is true) or 2) wanted to protect the defense with Nedved's running. Probably both.

Don't ask foolish questions you already know the answer to.

That's precisely why I asked the question, because I already know the answer to it. It proves that Giovinco can't play as a winger, because he does not possess the defensive game Nedved provided us with last season. And it also proves that when Giovinco did play as a winger, our LB position was somewhat exposed. So when Giovcino plays as a traquerista now, he is NOT out of position as someone claimed, he is precisely in position.

 

[Tomice]

That's precisely why I asked the question, because I already know the answer to it. It proves that Giovinco can't play as a winger, because he does not possess the defensive game Nedved provided us with last season. And it also proves that when Giovinco did play as a winger, our LB position was somewhat exposed. So when Giovcino plays as a traquerista now, he is NOT out of position as someone claimed, he is precisely in position.

you are mixing up thing. Winger isnt a ML.

Nedved was a ML in a flat midfield so he was expected to do defance as much as offence ( Ranieri ffs..).

Winger is a AML or WR/WL in 433. much less defensive duty, more of a forward realy.

 

[Suns]

Then why did Nedved always get to start ahead of Giovinco? And lets not forget we are comparing a 36 year old out of form Nedved to Giovinco.

Maybe he wasn't that bad. To be fair, he was average, but he definitely wasn't amazing. I remember he had 2 or 3 very good games with Juve last season. In one of them, he combined brilliantly with Alex but did not score. One of them was when he scored our winning goal after IQ chested it down for him. And that last one was when he came in as a sub against Chelsea. Other than those three games, he wasn't anything close to brilliant.

I'm not comparing Gio to Nedved. Giovinco was second overall in assists for us last season in 1300 minutes he got to play by Ranieri while the others got around 3000 minutes yet they weren't as productive as Giovi. If you can see through all that for the psycho Cassano then.. well..

 

[Dostoevsky]

Yes it does. Why should young talent come here when they're either shipped on loan or used for profit?

Our best youth talent in God knows how long might be shipped out even despite being 22 and showing himself to be very talented... for an older player.

It just doesn't exude confidence, and as a young talented player, I wouldn't want to come to Juventus looking at what goes on here.

Clubs do that when players are not worth of all that waiting for something to happen. If you're good you'll stay, Giovinco has yet to show his expectations. There might be some pressure but oh well, I bet he knew it it, it's not like he came to Livorno. He's not a kid anymore and for his age he should be more confident.

 

[rounder]

you are mixing up thing. Winger isnt a ML.

Nedved was a ML in a flat midfield so he was expected to do defance as much as offence ( Ranieri ffs..).

Winger is a AML or WR/WL in 433. much less defensive duty, more of a forward realy.

How do you know Giovinco's position is a winger in a 4-3-3 formation?

 

[Dostoevsky]

As for Cassano, c moon, he is finished and he would add nothing to our squad!

Why?

Because he's 27 years old? Or because he's one of the best Serie A players? Because no one has that creativity and has so many assists?

Seriously, it's one to stick to youth players for some reason...but saying he wouldn't add nothing is based on what?

 

[Bjerknes]

That's precisely why I asked the question, because I already know the answer to it. It proves that Giovinco can't play as a winger, because he does not possess the defensive game Nedved provided us with last season. And it also proves that when Giovinco did play as a winger, our LB position was somewhat exposed. So when Giovcino plays as a traquerista now, he is NOT out of position as someone claimed, he is precisely in position.

It doesn't prove jack shit.

 

[Tomice]

How do you know Giovinco's position is a winger in a 4-3-3 formation?

What else can he play in 433 ?

 

[Bjerknes]

What else can he play in 433 ?

By Juve Rev's logic, nowhere, which I guess is his overall point, which is ridiculous.

 

[JuveJay]

IMO, it just goes to show that youngsters should stay away from Juventus.

Yes, you have said this ridiculous line about 15 times now.

 

[rounder]

What else can he play in 433 ?

No, I mean how do you know that's his natural position. Based on what exactly?

Because I specifically remember everyone in here bitching about how Ranieri doesn't use Gio in a 4-3-1-2. Because Giovinco is a born Traquerista and all that. Apparently, he was now born to play in a 4-3-3 formation.

 

[Bjerknes]

Yes, you have said this ridiculous line about 15 times now.

Then why don't you offer a counter argument?

 

[Suns]

How do you know Giovinco's position is a winger in a 4-3-3 formation?

Cuz he was amazing last season on a the wing offensively in a 4-4-2 and in 4-3-3, without the defensive duty, he would excel.

Look, playing 164 cm and 59 kg Giovinco as a trequartista is stupid. The guy has to try to beat big ass defensive midfielders and two big CB's. If you put him on the wing he would mostly have a fullback and maybe a RM coming up against him.