Sebastian Giovinco (57 Viewers)

Would you bring Giovinco back next season?

  • Yeah, we could use him

  • Nope, get rid of him


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Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
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Yes, you have said this ridiculous line about 15 times now.
He is right. If Juventus can't give one of the biggest talents out there(Best player in U21 championship in Sweden this Summer) then why would anyone else join us? We need to believe in our talent.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Cuz he was amazing last season on a the wing offensively in a 4-4-2 and in 4-3-3, without the defensive duty, he would excel.

Look, playing 164 cm and 59 kg Giovinco as a trequartista is stupid. The guy has to try to beat big ass defensive midfielders and two big CB's. If you put him on the wing he would mostly have a fullback and maybe a RM coming up against him.

If for the sake of argument, you play him on the wing in a 4-4-2, where do you play Diego?

And you can say that they would switch formations when Diego isn't playing, but wouldn't you want to have Diego on the field as much as possible?

You are still running into a situation where Giovinco gets limited playing time.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
By Juve Rev's logic, nowhere, which I guess is his overall point, which is ridiculous.
No, I mean how do you know that's his natural position. Based on what exactly?

Because I specifically remember everyone in here bitching about how Ranieri doesn't use Gio in a 4-3-1-2. Because Giovinco is a born Traquerista and all that. Apparently, he was now born to play in a 4-3-3 formation.
Logic ? :shifty:

I didnt said anything about his natural position, where did you come up with that?

I dont know his natural position. i dont think he knows realy.
He just need to play more in every position he can when he can, if he will be good we will have the answer.

Also, he never played as a winger in juve, never ( only in the U21 and he rocked).
Lets see him play as winger here first and then see, but i'm positive thats will be his best role on the pitch
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
If for the sake of argument, you play him on the wing in a 4-4-2, where do you play Diego?

And you can say that they would switch formations when Diego isn't playing, but wouldn't you want to have Diego on the field as much as possible?

You are still running into a situation where Giovinco gets limited playing time.
Dude, forget 4-4-2, I'm talking about 4-3-3.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,112
It proves that playing on the wings was not meant for Gio. That playing as the 1 in a 4-3-1-2 is what he was born for. It suits his game perfectly, that's what im trying to say.



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Just because Ranieri didn't want to play him there?

Oh, I see. :rolleyes2

Not sure if you remember Nedved, but he was one of the best runners in the game, plus one of the best to win balls from a wide position.

His quality defensively doesn't prove anything about Giovinco. Nothing. And besides, Seba is an attacking player. If we field him at a left-wing position we'll have to compensate for his lack of defensive qualities, something other teams deal with, too.
 
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
Cuz he was amazing last season on a the wing offensively in a 4-4-2 and in 4-3-3, without the defensive duty, he would excel.

Look, playing 164 cm and 59 kg Giovinco as a trequartista is stupid. The guy has to try to beat big ass defensive midfielders and two big CB's. If you put him on the wing he would mostly have a fullback and maybe a RM coming up against him.

Bold:

No, it's not. In fact, it's where he wants to play and he's said it on numerous occassions.

Underlined:

Sorry, your size does not decie where you should be placed on the pitch. That's absolutely ridiculous. You play based on your abilities, not your height or weight. FFS. Giovinco's abilities, playmaking, excellent vision, passing, speed, makes him an ideal AMF.
 

Bjerknes

"Top Economist"
Mar 16, 2004
116,112
If for the sake of argument, you play him on the wing in a 4-4-2, where do you play Diego?

And you can say that they would switch formations when Diego isn't playing, but wouldn't you want to have Diego on the field as much as possible?

You are still running into a situation where Giovinco gets limited playing time.
Diego would play behind a loan striker in a straight 4-4-2.
 

KB824

Senior Member
Sep 16, 2003
31,789
Dude, forget 4-4-2, I'm talking about 4-3-3.

But that is the formation where Gio played last year did he not??

At least that argument has some substance to it because we know what he did playing inthat formation.


The 4-3-3 theory that you are suggesting, with all due respect, is just that.

A theory
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
If for the sake of argument, you play him on the wing in a 4-4-2, where do you play Diego?

And you can say that they would switch formations when Diego isn't playing, but wouldn't you want to have Diego on the field as much as possible?

You are still running into a situation where Giovinco gets limited playing time.
442 juve style dosent have winger, its a flat midfield.

we should not change formation for Gio, he needs to earn it.

And he will.

hopefully.
 

JuveJay

Senior Signor
Moderator
Mar 6, 2007
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The occasional brilliance that you speak of when he was at Roma (38 goals in 119 matches) were during the years of 2001-2005 when he was between the ages of 19-23.
Sounds about the same age that Michael Owen won the Ballon D'Or.

Roma were really the perfect big team for him with their off-the-cuff style, but I don't think there was enough big club mentality about Cassano. Perhaps he has matured, but just because he is on form doesn't make him a changed man. One bad turn and he may be crying like a baby again. For that reason I wouldn't want him at Juventus. Before you consider that I am a Giovinco fanboy or Cassano hater, I chose him and Aguero as my favourite non-Juve players in that thread.

I also don't think Cassano is the difference between Juve winning the CL and not. Cassano has had what, one successful international tournament (Euro 2004)? So what makes him a banker to do the business against the very best sides? The teams who have been doing well in the CL of late are either the pragmatic Man Utd and Chelsea or Barcelona who play an unmatched passing style, Cassano fits into neither category. Juventus already have a risk factor to their play, the players and Ferrara have acknowledged this and it is why we give up so many chances and are giving Buffon so much to do, also why Moggi considers Juventus will not win the CL. I hope he is wrong of course, but see where he is coming from.
 
Jun 13, 2007
7,233
Just because Ranieri didn't want to play him there?

Oh, I see. :rolleyes2

Not sure if you remember Nedved, but he was one of the best runners in the game, plus one of the best to win balls from a wide position.

His quality defensively doesn't prove anything about Giovinco. Nothing. And besides, Seba is an attacking player. If we field him at a left-wing position we'll have to compensate for his lack of defensive qualities, something other teams deal with, too.
No, not because Ranieri didn't play him there. Because he left our left back position a little too exposed. Also, we has Molinaro then need I remind you.

Other teams? Name a team that has a player with absolutely no defensive qualities playing on the left wing of a 4-4-2 formation. It's a matter of footballing principle, not of coaching competency.
 

Tomice

Senior Member
Mar 25, 2009
3,024
Just a small breather.


It's the most intense debate i'v been at here since i'v joind not long ago.


Got to work on my fingers stamina.


kudos guys.
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
But that is the formation where Gio played last year did he not??

At least that argument has some substance to it because we know what he did playing inthat formation.


The 4-3-3 theory that you are suggesting, with all due respect, is just that.

A theory
A winger in a 4-3-3 is almost the same as a winger in a 4-4-2 but in 4-4-2 the player needs to track back and help out defensively, in 4-3-3, not so much.
 

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