Sebastian Giovinco (51 Viewers)

Would you bring Giovinco back next season?

  • Yeah, we could use him

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JuveJay

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You do have to question whether Cassano has what it takes to succeed at a club as big as Juventus, he never has before. I wouldn't call his occasional brilliance at Roma a success, and Real Madrid, say no more. Giovinco is trying to jump years ahead of where Cassano is at now at a young age, so far he hasn't succeeded.

Of course Cassano is a special player, but then so could Giovinco be in the right environment or role. It could be that they are both stuck in the provinces for the rest of their careers, perhaps that is the best place for them. With Giovinco he has time on his side, perhaps not at Juventus, to show he can play at the top level. Any big move for Cassano now would surely be his last chance.
 

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Emmet

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Apr 5, 2006
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Yet..... and you know why? Because Seba hasn't taken a decent chance like Cassano got during his Roma days, Seba's situation isn't as easy as some of you think.

Sebastian Giovinco plays for Juventus.

Antonio Cassano plays for Sampdoria and played for Roma and he failed at Real Madrid. Big difference.

Giovinco has done a lot more than Cassano looking at Seba's age and what he's done for the Azzurrini.

Cassano has had one good season (last year) since god knows when and he's what playing for Sampdoria? Not a big achievment if you ask me. As I see it, Cassano's got nothing on Giovinco, a little more time for Giovinco and patience and he'll put Cassano behind him... miles behind him.

Giovinco is a victim for having worldclass players around him. Cassano never had a worldclass players to compete him for a spot at Roma not even in Madrid let alone joining a team like Sampdoria.

Big difference between the two and I'm going with Seba because he's got things Cassano will never ever have.
Cassano played in the Roma side that had Batistuta and Totti in it, if Im not mistaken. They were world class at the time.

Playing for Samp doesnt make Cassano a average player or even just a good player. Cassano is sublime. When Baggio played at Brescia for 4 years, he was still better than 99% of the league. Same applies to Cassano

Gio has a long way to go before hes at Cassano's level IMO. But he can get there.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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And just for the record, and the posters who have been here longer than 3 weeks know this.

I am a big supporter of Giovinco. Always have been. I think he's a very talented player.

But he is not on Cassano's level. Never has been. There are certain talents that a player has that simply cannot be taught, or coached. Its instinctive.
 

KB824

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You do have to question whether Cassano has what it takes to succeed at a club as big as Juventus, he never has before. I wouldn't call his occasional brilliance at Roma a success, and Real Madrid, say no more. Giovinco is trying to jump years ahead of where Cassano is at now at a young age, so far he hasn't succeeded.

Of course Cassano is a special player, but then so could Giovinco be in the right environment or role. It could be that they are both stuck in the provinces for the rest of their careers, perhaps that is the best place for them. With Giovinco he has time on his side, perhaps not at Juventus, to show he can play at the top level. Any big move for Cassano now would surely be his last chance.
The occasional brilliance that you speak of when he was at Roma (38 goals in 119 matches) were during the years of 2001-2005 when he was between the ages of 19-23.
 

Hust

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And just for the record, and the posters who have been here longer than 3 weeks know this.

I am a big supporter of Giovinco. Always have been. I think he's a very talented player.

But he is not on Cassano's level. Never has been. There are certain talents that a player has that simply cannot be taught, or coached. Its instinctive.
Yep, good point. Similar to Trez's instinct in front of goal. I have always been a fan of Gio and was always pissed at rumors surrounding his loans or departures. My thing is that Gio needs to start doing what he did last year when he had little time to prove himself. Now he is being given starts and struggling. Presumably because of the formation change, but the talent he has around him should be giving him plenty of time to shine and room to do his stuff. He really needs to dig deep in himself to put in a good performance if he plays today.
 

KB824

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Giovinco will never be as good as Cassano IMO.

But the point I'm trying to make is that it is not necessarily a bad thing.

Giovinco is a very talented player

Cassano is one of the few truly talented all around forwards in football. Anyone who doesn't see that, well, I just don't know what to say.
 

KB824

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And the reason why he didn't get the chances after he left Roma were because, admittedly, he was a fucking head case.

But its obvious over the past 2 seasons that he has gotten his life in order and there is now a sense of calm around him.

I said this years ago on this forum when his name first came up.

He needs to be in a place where there are champions around him to keep him on the right path.

Well, what better ambassadors of spirit are there than Del Piero, Iaquinta, Buffon??
 

El Santo

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wont be enough time. it will be the same case as right now, or maybe even worse. He won't get any sufficient playing time next season if we get cassano. There is also Del Piero who will also want to play.
 

KB824

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Oh, and Rab, when Cassano played for Roma, they were the runners-up for the scudetto twice in his four seasons there, so they weren't some mid-table club that they are now.
 

Dostoevsky

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May 27, 2007
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Yet..... and you know why? Because Seba hasn't taken a decent chance like Cassano got during his Roma days, Seba's situation isn't as easy as some of you think.

Sebastian Giovinco plays for Juventus.

Antonio Cassano plays for Sampdoria and played for Roma and he failed at Real Madrid. Big difference.

Giovinco has done a lot more than Cassano looking at Seba's age and what he's done for the Azzurrini.

Cassano has had one good season (last year) since god knows when and he's what playing for Sampdoria? Not a big achievment if you ask me. As I see it, Cassano's got nothing on Giovinco, a little more time for Giovinco and patience and he'll put Cassano behind him... miles behind him.

Giovinco is a victim for having worldclass players around him. Cassano never had a worldclass players to compete him for a spot at Roma not even in Madrid let alone joining a team like Sampdoria.

Big difference between the two and I'm going with Seba because he's got things Cassano will never ever have.
Sorry Rab, I think you have some good points there but you're wrong IMO.

Giovinco played some good matches for us, but he had a chance and he will still get more because he's very talented.

Giovinco is a victim for having worldclass players around him?

If that's the case it only means big clubs aren't place for Seba...It should just make some things more simple for him. He had good matches for Azzurrini, no doubt about that. He's 22yo, people should not say he's still a kid. People of that age can or they already did achieve more than Giovinco. He's talented but I think he lacks something to get him to a level higher.

Giovinco has done a lot more than Cassano looking at Seba's age and what he's done for the Azzurrini.

That can't be true. There might be a difference in NT games but otherwise I don't think he did.

Giovinco is one of my favorite Juve players but I can almost surely say that he will never leave a huge impact here and I hardly believe he can leave some player like Cassano miles behind him.

Cassano's world was never ideal and he had so many problems being a street kid while growing up. He doesn't have parents, Totti's house was his house and he was loved there but his brain was too small to realize that he's one of the best players out there so he screwed it (dunno, something like Adriano). His play in Roma was absolutely perfect at some level, his partnership with Totti was perfect when they used to play together. There were no mistakes and they used to make a lot of trouble for all teams. After some time, again his small brain had am impact of all his fights against coach and all Roma players. They couldn't offer him a new contract so they had to leave, to Madrid. He made too many problems, I didn't even expect him to play there which pretty much happened.

He might be Sampdoria player but that's no reason to underestimate him or even take that as an example of his success over there. He still has issues, so he'll never have pro attitude. He even said if he was normal he'd be better than Messi, well, maybe not exactly but I do think he'd be on the top because of one simple reason - there are no players with his talent, natural talent. He takes his game easily and it seems he's not even trying hard. His creativity and vision is beyond believable, there are no players that can do that. He might be slower than some, but his technique is a lot better than a lot of the players, by mile compared to Giovinco's IMO. If he was...normal, I'm sure he'd be best player in Europe, struggling with Messi now. It's his play that matters, I'm sure he could do the same, or probably even better job in some strong club, like Juve.

You took a wrong player to compare. He will never be as good as Cassano.
 

KB824

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Czar, he would be a world beater at Juventus. Combine his vision and technique with that of Diego and Del Piero, and they would be the strongest attack force we've seen in a very long time
 

Bjerknes

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Mar 16, 2004
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I suggest a poll, please.

Right here and now, people vote as to whether they want to keep Giovinco, or trade him plus cash off for Cassano next transfer window.

Right here and now, no ifs, ands, or buts.

You either want to keep him or don't, because that's what it comes down to.
 

KB824

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Sep 16, 2003
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I'd rather just say that the terminology "Juve material" is highly nonsensical. It means that every single athlete that has played for Juventus is a great player, which is not the case. Therefore, the term is meaningless.

If you are talking about talent, Cassano is not just Juve Material, he is all-world material.


If you are talking about selflesness and the good of the team, the Cassano of 5 years ago would have been a problem.

Not the Cassano of 2008-2009.
 

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