Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (147 Viewers)

Jun 16, 2020
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not completely true ( at least from what i have gathered so far): Russian fighter jets are indeed dominating the air space, mainly Sukhoi Su-57 , but the Ukranian Bayraktar TB2 drones and anti air craft defence are doing a lot of work: especially against Russian Tanks/ground forces/choppers. Ukraine still has Anti-Air defence that is being used to shoot down Russian aircrafts, but how long this air resistance will last is another question as they need to be resupplied asap.
As far as I know Russians don’t have the air yet indeed, something the experts didn’t expected before

Somehow we can provide satellite photos of a Russian convoy, but Ukraine isn’t able to bomb them.
 
May 26, 2016
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As far as I know Russians don’t have the air yet indeed, something the experts didn’t expected before

Somehow we can provide satellite photos of a Russian convoy, but Ukraine isn’t able to bomb them.
these types of bombardments are not something you can spontaneously order tho, they need to be planned and also Russia would most likely be guarding that convoy. Its not as easy as it looks/sound
 

Post Ironic

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Feb 9, 2013
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not completely true ( at least from what i have gathered so far): Russian fighter jets are indeed dominating the air space, mainly Sukhoi Su-57 , but the Ukranian Bayraktar TB2 drones and anti air craft defence are doing a lot of work: especially against Russian Tanks/ground forces/choppers. Ukraine still has Anti-Air defence that is being used to shoot down Russian aircrafts, but how long this air resistance will last is another question as they need to be resupplied asap.



as for the TB2 - it has pretty much changed this war completely: The drones are proving to be extremely succesfull
EU has also now provided Ukraine with fighter jets.
 

JuveE46

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Dec 6, 2015
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What? I blame the US and UK almost entirely for the current state of Iran because of overthrowing Mossadegh in 1953 and bringing back the Shah. But that doesn’t change the fact America was a massive supporter of the Shah and investor in the country and he was the cornerstone of their security policies in the region.

Jimmy Carter was literally toasting the Shah’s Iran as “an island of stability in a turbulent corner of the world” less than a year before the revolution. Khomeini blessed the student takeover of the US embassy and even called it Iran’s second revolution because it purged moderate elements from the government, consolidated clerical rule, and completely fractured relations with America.

Sure there are conspiracy theories that the British planned it, and the Shah claimed to his dying day it was because he took control of the oil away from international oil companies but do you have proof that it was a British plot? Could it be possible? Sure I suppose. But most other American and British backed coup d’états of that era have long since been exposed as such, why no evidence still of this one?

And what do you mean by 20-30 people only in the protests? I’ve seen videos and photos of thousands of people in the streets, Azadi square, etc during the demonstrations.
"Theories" loll I don't give two fucks what Carter claimed on the surface that fucking snake..they didn't want stability in the region, they wanted chaos and for there to be conflict between the Arabs and Israel.
...not 20-30 I said 20-30% and did you count them at azadi square one by one? Wtf you talking about?? Thousands of people? So what? Thousands are how many percent of total 40 million?

This (Iran) is one of those things in life where you know little and are unaware that you know next to nothing about.

What the victor or the ones in charge of power tries to reflect as "history" is not necessarily relevant to reality, to those who have lived it "history" is often merely an index, a timetable, but to know exactly what happened requires alot deeper study than what high school level textbook you read.
Shah had major influence in OPEC and influence over important members (including on a personal level not only diplomatic influence) including Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as in setting the price per barell, and as in OPEC accounting for roughly %40 of world fuel production including gas and also with OPEC countries being in possession of over %70 of the entire petroleum fuel reserve on this planet.
The west decided it's best to install an illiterate extremist regime which tortures it's own people and funds terror, in place of a smart Austria raised and educated king (who started being more outspoken and whose footage actually exists of him saying in English on BBC, I will not let the blue eyed take anymore from Iran for next to nothing) for big-big savings and control over Iran and as a consequence the region, plus much more, such as precious metals at dirt cheap prices. Russia is eating at the same table too now by the way interestingly..


Shah didn't merely claim it was the west, it's a well known fact Iran has long been under UK influence since before they installed him in place of his father.. they (UK/US) easily exiled the shahs father and installed his young son in 1941 along with Russia, but then later they found out he had his own ideas and won't submit and he had to go away in 1979.
Not going to get into it here but it's first hand account vs. some essay you read/news heard so I'll leave it at that..
Where is there proof of anything in history other than what the victor dictates?

The "pilot" that accompanied Khomeini when he entered by plane from France and can be seen on video was a CIA agent. Can I go above the head of CIA and prove that? No so I guess I'm wrong and you and "history" know it all.

Proof loll where havent dirty Saxons stuck thier nose in? If one wants to fall back on history then let's see what they have been up to going back a dozen centuries. Not going to get into it here but it's first hand account vs. some shit you read/heard so I'll leave it at that. I'll let those who've actually suffered and been to such places come forward and say the rest.
Proof? Actions throughout history speak louder than words.

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Vlad

In Allegri We Trust
May 23, 2011
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lol
People here were standing in lines to withdraw money on Thursday/Friday. National bank had to step in this morning and take over, put a temporary lock down on any transactions and limit withdrawals to 1k EUR per person per day going forward. Today you couldnt access accounts any longer.

- - - Updated - - -

Sberbank btw has been blacklisted by a lot of countries after 2014.
 

campionesidd

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Mar 16, 2013
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"Theories" loll I don't give two fucks what Carter claimed on the surface that fucking snake..they didn't want stability in the region, they wanted chaos and for there to be conflict between the Arabs and Israel.
...not 20-30 I said 20-30% and did you count them at azadi square one by one? Wtf you talking about?? Thousands of people? So what? Thousands are how many percent of total 40 million?

This (Iran) is one of those things in life where you know little and are unaware that you know next to nothing about.

What the victor or the ones in charge of power tries to reflect as "history" is not necessarily relevant to reality, to those who have lived it "history" is often merely an index, a timetable, but to know exactly what happened requires alot deeper study than what high school level textbook you read.
Shah had major influence in OPEC and influence over important members (including on a personal level not only diplomatic influence) including Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as in setting the price per barell, and as in OPEC accounting for roughly %40 of world fuel production including gas and also with OPEC countries being in possession of over %70 of the entire petroleum fuel reserve on this planet.
The west decided it's best to install an illiterate extremist regime which tortures it's own people and funds terror, in place of a smart Austria raised and educated king (who started being more outspoken and whose footage actually exists of him saying in English on BBC, I will not let the blue eyed take anymore from Iran for next to nothing) for big-big savings and control over Iran and as a consequence the region, plus much more, such as precious metals at dirt cheap prices. Russia is eating at the same table too now by the way interestingly..


Shah didn't merely claim it was the west, it's a well known fact Iran has long been under UK influence since before they installed him in place of his father.. they (UK/US) easily exiled the shahs father and installed his young son in 1941 along with Russia, but then later they found out he had his own ideas and won't submit and he had to go away in 1979.
Not going to get into it here but it's first hand account vs. some essay you read/news heard so I'll leave it at that..
Where is there proof of anything in history other than what the victor dictates?

The "pilot" that accompanied Khomeini when he entered by plane from France and can be seen on video was a CIA agent. Can I go above the head of CIA and prove that? No so I guess I'm wrong and you and "history" know it all.

Proof loll where havent dirty Saxons stuck thier nose in? If one wants to fall back on history then let's see what they have been up to going back a dozen centuries. Not going to get into it here but it's first hand account vs. some shit you read/heard so I'll leave it at that. I'll let those who've actually suffered and been to such places come forward and say the rest.
Proof? Actions throughout history speak louder than words.

List_of_countries_gained_independance_from_the_UK_Flag_version_3.svg.png
Thanks for adding a totally irrelevant wall of text to this discussion.
 

Powis

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Dec 9, 2009
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Before this war started I had an image of Russian army being insanely modern. They always trying to show how strong they're blah blah blah and from the footage I've seen they use so much outdated stuff, like tanks from 1990. Their army seems to be full of disorganized and not well trained young soldiers too.
 

Elvin

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Nov 25, 2005
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Before this war started I had an image of Russian army being insanely modern. They always trying to show how strong they're blah blah blah and from the footage I've seen they use so much outdated stuff, like tanks from 1990. Their army seems to be full of disorganized and not well trained young soldiers too.
Yep, it was just propaganda.
 

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