Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (112 Viewers)

Jun 16, 2020
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It's face value. Imagine an Ukraine in NATO and EU becoming more prosperous than Russia.
It would be a wake-up call for it's citizens at the way their country was governed all this years.
For this fact they can't allow it to happen.
And make no mistake, without NATO, the baltic states, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, probably Finland would be next in line to adhere to putin's new euroasiatic empire, or New USSR.
For example, in our case Romania adhered to the EU back in 2007, and by now we have a bigger Income per person than Russia.
A country with 18 million people vs a country with 140 million and with natural resources as Russia, managed properly should be at least in sight of Germany, economic wise.

And by the way my corupt country only managed to attract 30% of the funds the EU potentially provided.
At 100% we would make fun of the poor Russians( no disrespect intended).

I also want to applaud those in Russia that took to the streets today and those that have/had a strong position against this meaningless war, our modern day heroes.
As for the Ukrainians stay safe, stay strong and hopefully this will soon be over one way or the other.
The lesser the number of casualties, the better.

As for what will happen after, putin's is going to overthrow the pro west government and install his own puppet government in Ukraine and after a while he is going to withdraw his troops when his government manages to grow his roots in Ukraine.. Unfortunately Ukraine isn't going to be free for the foreseeable future, with the Russian army always in the background if the Ukrainians don't stay the course.
What you wrote it literally what a ex-politician and NATO representative said here on tv.

One of Putins biggest fairs apparently isn’t NATO’s expansion drift, but his own people understanding how prosperous it is to join the EU.

The EU is a very difficult and relatively young concept if we look to history, but it’s very successful and gives benefits to every country.

To bad that there’s a lack of a European identity, and the migration crisis made everything very difficult. But it’s important to understand the importance of the union. I really hated the UK leaving.
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
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It's face value. Imagine an Ukraine in NATO and EU becoming more prosperous than Russia.
It would be a wake-up call for it's citizens at the way their country was governed all this years.
For this fact they can't allow it to happen.
And make no mistake, without NATO, the baltic states, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland, probably Finland would be next in line to adhere to putin's new euroasiatic empire, or New USSR.
For example, in our case Romania adhered to the EU back in 2007, and by now we have a bigger Income per person than Russia.
A country with 18 million people vs a country with 140 million and with natural resources as Russia, managed properly should be at least in sight of Germany, economic wise.

And by the way my corupt country only managed to attract 30% of the funds the EU potentially provided.
At 100% we would make fun of the poor Russians( no disrespect intended).

I also want to applaud those in Russia that took to the streets today and those that have/had a strong position against this meaningless war, our modern day heroes.
As for the Ukrainians stay safe, stay strong and hopefully this will soon be over one way or the other.
The lesser the number of casualties, the better.

As for what will happen after, putin's is going to overthrow the pro west government and install his own puppet government in Ukraine and after a while he is going to withdraw his troops when his government manages to grow his roots in Ukraine.. Unfortunately Ukraine isn't going to be free for the foreseeable future, with the Russian army always in the background if the Ukrainians don't stay the course.
Perfect. I said the exact same thing. This war is not against NATO, it's againt Ukraine's potential prosperity due to Eurointegration.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
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No SWIFT cut off.
Yeah one of my news media networks said that Germany, Hungary , Cyprus and Italy opose the measure.
Italy, because the huge businesses their banks conduct in Russia.
Germany???
Cyprus probably because is a financial paradise and many oligarchs keep their money there.
Hungary, because Orban likes to suck Putin's balls whenever he can.
 
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kappa96

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Jun 20, 2018
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Yeah I can’t blame the EU for not attacking Russia, that just means nuclear war.

but I’d start the works to make Ukraine part of the EU and NATO ASAP.
Doing that(start the works for Ukraine) now would actually mean NATO actually declaring war on Russia.
Actually Ukraine in NATO is a lost cause ever since the country lost Crimea.
They never recognized the seized territory and they always made it public knowledge that they want it back.
So you can't invite Ukraine to adhere and the next morning they do, they start a war for Crimea, gets attacked by Russia so NATO must respond.
It was/is out of the question since then.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,475
What you wrote it literally what a ex-politician and NATO representative said here on tv.

One of Putins biggest fairs apparently isn’t NATO’s expansion drift, but his own people understanding how prosperous it is to join the EU.

The EU is a very difficult and relatively young concept if we look to history, but it’s very successful and gives benefits to every country.

To bad that there’s a lack of a European identity, and the migration crisis made everything very difficult. But it’s important to understand the importance of the union. I really hated the UK leaving.
It's actually logical. Russia has a stronger economy than Ukraine, so that means there isn't any economic gain from annexing it.
When something makes you weaker you avoid it at all cost. So I don't think that Russia is going to anex Ukraine any time soon.
Or maybe putin has gone insane and he is balking on nostalgia(he is 70,apparently).

It's like our case with The Republic of Moldova.
Unifying the countries is a long sought dream, mostly by nationalistic people, but when you look at the numbers there is no gain from it, just pure nostalgia bait.
My pragmatism dictates me to say that I hope that both countries are going to be unified within the EU in the foreseeable future.
This way all parties can gain something (us, them and the EU bloc.)
 

JuveJay

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Mar 6, 2007
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Yeah one of my news media networks said that Germany, Hungary , Cyprus and Italy opose the measure.
Italy, because the huge businesses their banks conduct in Russia.
Germany???
Cyprus probably because is a financial paradise and many oligarchs keep their money there.
Hungary, because Orban likes to suck Putin's balls whenever he can.
Yes Cyprus has huge influence from Russia as well.

Germany get 50% of their natural gas from Russia. Schroeder built up a strong relationship with Putin. Merkel not so much, but they have tried hard not to isolate them. Probably to the detriment of countries like Ukraine: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...-with-putins-russia-is-a-problem-for-ukraine/
 

Elvin

Senior Member
Nov 25, 2005
36,923
It's actually logical. Russia has a stronger economy than Ukraine, so that means there isn't any economic gain from annexing it.
When something makes you weaker you avoid it at all cost. So I don't think that Russia is going to anex Ukraine any time soon.
Or maybe putin has gone insane and he is balking on nostalgia(he is 70,apparently).

It's like our case with The Republic of Moldova.
Unifying the countries is a long sought dream, mostly by nationalistic people, but when you look at the numbers there is no gain from it, just pure nostalgia bait.
My pragmatism dictates me to say that I hope that both countries are going to be unified within the EU in the foreseeable future.
This way all parties can gain something (us, them and the EU bloc.)
EU needs to be protected at all costs; it is the closest thing humanity has ever come to utopia.

Fuckin Brits just have to ruin everything :D
 

Cerval

Senior Member
Feb 20, 2016
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I don't care what they say, no one fucked with him.
Whats interesting is that he said that he knew for years Putin wanted Ukraine and he told him not to do it during lengthy discussions while he was president. Could be true or not, but Russia invaded Georgia during Bush presidency, Crimea during Obama's and whole Ukraine during Biden's, while Putin did nothing during his presidency.
 

GordoDeCentral

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Apr 14, 2005
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Whats interesting is that he said that he knew for years Putin wanted Ukraine and he told him not to do it during lengthy discussions while he was president. Could be true or not, but Russia invaded Georgia during Bush presidency, Crimea during Obama's and whole Ukraine during Biden's, while Putin did nothing during his presidency.
Yet he is accused of being a Russian "asset". My reading of it was just like with north Korea trump left the door open for normalizing relations or even rapprochement but at the same time waved a big stick.
 

kappa96

Senior Member
Jun 20, 2018
7,475
EU needs to be protected at all costs; it is the closest thing humanity has ever come to utopia.

Fuckin Brits just have to ruin everything :D
I still hope they are going to come back some day. Fingers crossed.

@GordoDeCentral what is it with him in admiring a dictator. The only way you can admire one is that deep down you want to become one yourself.
Drunk with power narcissists tend to aquire this trait.
 
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