Russia - Ukraine Conflict 2022 (94 Viewers)

[Elvin]

Ukraine has had numerous of different presidents, Armenia too, Georgia too, but Russia, Belarus, Azerbaijan are stuck with fürhers who won't give away their thrones without revolution

Yes. I am saying Russia's fuhrer is making that revolution even harder as seen by the Belarus and Kazakhstan cases.

 

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[Juventino[RUS]]

Yes. I am saying Russia's fuhrer is making that revolution even harder as seen by the Belarus and Kazakhstan cases.

Well Belarus fully depends on Russian money, Armenia on russian resources and possibility to sell their stuff to us, while Azerbaijan has oil and gas and your country doesn't depend on Russia like Armenia or Belarus

 

[Elvin]

Well Belarus fully depends on Russian money, Armenia on russian resources and possibility to sell their staff to us, while Azerbaijan has oil and gas and your country doesn't depend on Russia like Armenia or Belarus

Kazakhstan?

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Kazakhstan?

Kazakhstan was and still is a part of Budapest memorandum, but after what they've done to Ukraine nobody's gonna trust to Russia anymore and it's hard to guess what Kazakhs president gonna do next

 

[Elvin]

Kazakhstan was and still is a part of Budapest memorandum, but after what they've done to Ukraine nobody's gonna trust to Russia anymore and it's hard to guess what Kazakhs president gonna do next

Do you not agree with me that post-Soviet nations will have a much much better chance of democratization if/when Putinism falls?

 

[j0ker]

So the world will stay dependent on oil and gas because renewable will never be able to replace those on it's own. that's why they got rid of nuclear first.

Would not be surprised.

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

Do you not agree with me that post-Soviet nations will have a much much better chance of democratization if/when Putinism falls?

No, I don't agree, because Putin's resignation won't force Aliev to resign, what might help to you is if Russians will start a revolution and remove Putin and his friends but it's super unreal for now. And at the same time Aliev might look at Russian Revolution and will try to strengthen his regime even more

 

[Elvin]

No, I don't agree, because Putin's resignation won't force Aliev to resign, what might help to you is if Russians will start a revolution and remove Putin and his friends but it's super unreal for now. And at the same time Aliev might look at Russian Revolution and will try to strengthen his regime even more

By fall of Putininism I meant fall of authoritarianism in Russia. I'm hoping you dont replace Putin with another Putin lol

 

[Tomice]

By fall of Putininism I meant fall of authoritarianism in Russia. I'm hoping you dont replace Putin with another Putin lol

Putin will replace himself with another Putin is most likely

 

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[pavelnel]

It's a bit off topic' I'll keep it very short. But Solar has a huge environmental cost no one talks about, the minerals and martials are highly toxic, recycling technology isn't there, there are latterly Mountains of old panels stashed in china and they go into water and stuff (that's only the first generation out of commission). Also just the land mass you would need to have solar as a major energy source is a huge blow to the environment, natural habitat of animals, etc. it's renewable but not "green" at all

Wind isn't a very cost-effective tech, and will take a few decades to become as viable as alternatives.

All that without going into the electricity grid network that cant support the fluctuations in energy production and the solution is energy storage, again using nickel' lithium and other toxics that are hard to recycle and costly to mine, very.

On top of all that the economics isn't really there in many cases, many renewable project are economical only because of government subsidies and such so they aren't sustainable independently.
Not saying they should or wouldn't be part of the future energy portfolio, but they will never be more then 30-40% at best 100 years from now.

You are wrong here. Environmental tech is developing fast and in the next few decades most of these challenges will be overcome.
The war in Ukraine will be the catalyst for many innovations in this direction. Huge amounts will be invested in green tech.

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[Juventino[RUS]]

By fall of Putininism I meant fall of authoritarianism in Russia. I'm hoping you dont replace Putin with another Putin lol

Not gonna happen anytime soon, let's say Putin, Ivanov, Naryshkin, Shoigu etc. Are all dead and gone, who you are going to replace them with? Putinism is a fucking disease, we can't change all the cops, all the judges, all the governors, all the leaders of our smaller republics, you can't luster them without finding a replacement for them and it will be SUPER hard because local elites won't let you do it,the change of regime of Russia will be super hard and super painful, I don't see any other options

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Ukrainian IT company moves offices from ‘pro-Russian’ Serbia to Croatia
https://www.bne.eu/ukrainian-it-com...sian-serbia-to-croatia-237421/?source=croatia

 

[Nzoric]

Ok are you saying Putler wouldnt save his brother führer if we rose up just like Belorusians? Putin needs to fall, then things will get easier for us too.

You’re really pathetic


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[Elvin]

Not gonna happen anytime soon, let's say Putin, Ivanov, Naryshkin, Shoigu etc. Are all dead and gone, who you are going to replace them with? Putinism is a fucking disease, we can't change all the cops, all the judges, all the governors, all the leaders of our smaller republics, you can't luster them without finding a replacement for them and it will be SUPER hard because local elites won't let you do it,the change of regime of Russia will be super hard and super painful, I don't see any other options

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Ukrainian IT company moves offices from ‘pro-Russian’ Serbia to Croatia
https://www.bne.eu/ukrainian-it-com...sian-serbia-to-croatia-237421/?source=croatia

Well whatever it takes it needs to be done, otherwise we all will keeping living under this feudal bullshit.

 

[Tomice]

You are wrong here. Environmental tech is developing fast and in the next few decades most of these challenges will be overcome.
The war in Ukraine will be the catalyst for many innovations in this direction. Huge amounts will be invested in green tech.

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Good that you brought that up.

Do you know where most of that "investment" goes to? China.

90% of renewables are manufactured there, practically all materials are mined there as well. Good luck with that when china gets sanctioned and we all go back to coal.
the only real sustainable renewable and green energy is nuclear, that's the future.

Also some of the challenges in those renewables will only get worse, the more renewables you have as part of the energy portfolio the more problems you create that need solving, it's a cycle. This is also where the major focus is at now in the industry, ways to store energy and balance energy grids. anyway it's super complex and there are no simple answers but this is already way off topic so lets leave that at that

 

[Juventino[RUS]]

 

[Ronn]

It's a bit off topic' I'll keep it very short. But Solar has a huge environmental cost no one talks about, the minerals and martials are highly toxic, recycling technology isn't there, there are latterly Mountains of old panels stashed in china and they go into water and stuff (that's only the first generation out of commission). Also just the land mass you would need to have solar as a major energy source is a huge blow to the environment, natural habitat of animals, etc. it's renewable but not "green" at all

Wind isn't a very cost-effective tech, and will take a few decades to become as viable as alternatives.

All that without going into the electricity grid network that cant support the fluctuations in energy production and the solution is energy storage, again using nickel' lithium and other toxics that are hard to recycle and costly to mine, very.

On top of all that the economics isn't really there in many cases, many renewable project are economical only because of government subsidies and such so they aren't sustainable independently.
Not saying they should or wouldn't be part of the future energy portfolio, but they will never be more then 30-40% at best 100 years from now.

Solar panels have a lifetime of 25+ years, no? Every electronic waste pose a risk but they are not like iphones. Although agree that you can never run a whole grid with solar.
the biggest green scam right now are electric cars IMO.

 

[Tomice]

Solar panels have a lifetime of 25+ years, no? Every electronic waste pose a risk but they are not like iphones. Although agree that you can never run a whole grid with solar.
the biggest green scam right now are electric cars IMO.

that's an all other issue , like the electricity for cars doesn't come mainly from oil and gas anyway.

it's not really comparable, some of the stuff inside the panels is much worse and the quantities are already astronomical. and we only started, first gen is almost completely out. Also the martials themselves have a finite amount just like oil or gas and eventually prices will rise and the solar business will become less and less economical.

 

[s4tch]

is there a green/renewable energy thread? there should be

 

[Ronn]

that's an all other issue , like the electricity for cars doesn't come mainly from oil and gas anyway.

it's not really comparable, some of the stuff inside the panels is much worse and the quantities are already astronomical. and we only started, first gen is almost completely out. Also the martials themselves have a finite amount just like oil or gas and eventually prices will rise and the solar business will become less and less economical.

Well, duh. Everything is finite (except stupidity), and running out of material will force you to seek alternatives. That, by itself, can’t make a technology a “scam”.