How typical you guys making this personal vendetta's against one another as usual (typically what perpuates stuff like this, gets too ridicolous how long ze poor horse is beaten lol). Or think that the problem is wether or not a player is enough of a Juve player in his contract (as said, silly rule in itself), and not about letting shit go on too long as it has been.
gray gotta say I applaude your patience in your posts, nearing super human levels