Rock and Voll All Nite: The Mafia Strikes the Music Industry (22 Viewers)

[Mohad]

Looking again at how Alen reacted in the last minutes before the deadline, the only thing I can think of is that he wouldn't make such a lie/move if j0ker wasn't that important. Only a stupid C would risk himself like that and in the first day.

 

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[Klin]

Its unlikely that Alen did all this to trick us into thinking he s a C (j=C a=C) by saving a C.

Its the best thing we've got so far, its plausible that he pulled that stunt to save the crooked cop, would be worth imo.

Looking again at how Alen reacted in the last minutes before the deadline, the only thing I can think of is that he wouldn't make such a lie/move if j0ker wasn't that important. Only a stupid C would risk himself like that and in the first day.

He wouldn't have voted for him in the first place if j0ker is a special G.

 

[Basel93]

He wouldn't have voted for him in the first place if j0ker is a special G.

True, but then what do we make of his move? Its utterly, ridiculously stupid to draw attention to yourself like that when you dont have to.

It could be like he said, but what else do we have to go about other than the Alen event.

 

[j0ker]

True, but then what do we make of his move? Its utterly, ridiculously stupid to draw attention to yourself like that when you dont have to.

It could be like he said, but what else do we have to go about other than the Alen event.

I am okey with me getting lynched, but who will you go after I am confirmed a C, a lynched C?

 

[Völler]

Let's start with Alen as a G and j0ker as a C. Why would Alen save j0ker with 3 minutes to deadline? It could be that he knew he was a C by being a G himself, and considering most of us were willing to lynch him (8 votes), he could have thought we were still gonna lynch him today and he'll earn our trust by him turning out to be a C and he can say that we should have listened to him. He could have also been fishing for stupid special role Cs.

Interesting, I don't think this was suggested earlier (though you make it really difficult to follow your logic by using him and he instead of j0ker and Alen).

It's also worth noting that since Tomice (C) got lynched last game for doing the same thing, Alen might have thought that we wouldn't lynch another person who saved someone in the last minute.

Overall, I think lynching Alen will give us more answers than lynching j0ker. I'm still not quite sure what to make of the three-way tie he proposes though.

 

[Alen]

It's also convenient for the Gs to kill Joker ahead of me (if Joker is also a C). If they kill me tonight instead of Joker, then they'll have no reason to go after Joker once it's established that I'm a C.
But if they lynch Joker (a C), they can always say that I am a G who tried to look like a C by saving Joker.

Keeping an eye on those who are consistent on voting for Joker, and not for me.

 

[Klin]

Interesting, I don't think this was suggested earlier (though you make it really difficult to follow your logic by using him and he instead of j0ker and Alen).

It's also worth noting that since Tomice (C) got lynched last game for doing the same thing, Alen might have thought that we wouldn't lynch another person who saved someone in the last minute.

Overall, I think lynching Alen will give us more answers than lynching j0ker. I'm still not quite sure what to make of the three-way tie he proposes though.

Let me help you:

Let's start with Alen as a G and j0ker as a C. Why would Alen save j0ker with 3 minutes to deadline? It could be that Alen knew j0ker was a C by being a G himself (Alen), and considering most of us were willing to lynch j0ker (8 votes), Alen could have thought we were still gonna lynch j0ker today and Alen will earn our trust by j0ker turning out to be a C and Alen can say that we should have listened to him. Alen could have also been fishing for stupid special role Cs.

 

[Alen]

Overall, I think lynching Alen will give us more answers than lynching j0ker. I'm still not quite sure what to make of the three-way tie he proposes though.

The Gs know my role and Joker's role. I could be wrong of course, but imo we are both civilian. In that case the Gs can spread their votes among us, or they can even arrange one of us to be lynched.
If we make it a three way, we might also make it between three civilians and we'll understand nothing. But if the third one is a G, we might be onto something if come deadline the votes are evenly distributed.

 

[Völler]

Let me help you:

Let's start with Alen as a G and j0ker as a C. Why would Alen save j0ker with 3 minutes to deadline? It could be that Alen knew j0ker was a C by being a G himself (Alen), and considering most of us were willing to lynch j0ker (8 votes), Alen could have thought we were still gonna lynch j0ker today and Alen will earn our trust by j0ker turning out to be a C and Alen can say that we should have listened to him. Alen could have also been fishing for stupid special role Cs.

I got your point. Just saying that you didn't make it easy.

 

[j0ker]

Let's start with Alen as a G and j0ker as a C. Why would Alen save j0ker with 3 minutes to deadline? It could be that he knew he was a C by being a G himself, and considering most of us were willing to lynch him (8 votes), he could have thought we were still gonna lynch him today and he'll earn our trust by him turning out to be a C and he can say that we should have listened to him. He could have also been fishing for stupid special role Cs.

I'm leaning towards Alen right now.

This has been my theory from the beginning.

And Fred with his "let's go after Alen if j0ker is a G" just confirmed it, that's why I think he is a G too.

 

[Klin]

It's also convenient for the Gs to kill Joker ahead of me (if Joker is also a C). If they kill me tonight instead of Joker, then they'll have no reason to go after Joker once it's established that I'm a C.
But if they lynch Joker (a C), they can always say that I am a G who tried to look like a C by saving Joker.

Keeping an eye on those who are consistent on voting for Joker, and not for me.

Indeed. Voting for you tonight makes more sense, plus I very much doubt j0ker is a G anyway.

 

[Alen]

Let me help you:

Let's start with Alen as a G and j0ker as a C. Why would Alen save j0ker with 3 minutes to deadline? It could be that Alen knew j0ker was a C by being a G himself (Alen), and considering most of us were willing to lynch j0ker (8 votes), Alen could have thought we were still gonna lynch j0ker today and Alen will earn our trust by j0ker turning out to be a C and Alen can say that we should have listened to him. Alen could have also been fishing for stupid special role Cs.

The problem here is that you caught me.
Now, why would I risk to be caught? All I had to do was not change my vote at all (my vote was on Fresh). You'd have killed Joker (a C) and on day 2, with no clues at all, you'd have probably lynched another civilian, while I'd have been safe instead of risking a lynch.
If I did what you suggest I did, I must have known that I'd have raised lots of eyebrows.

 

[Völler]

The Gs know my role and Joker's role. I could be wrong of course, but imo we are both civilian. In that case the Gs can spread their votes among us, or they can even arrange one of us to be lynched.
If we make it a three way, we might also make it between three civilians and we'll understand nothing. But if the third one is a G, we might be onto something if come deadline the votes are evenly distributed.

That's the problem. And that way we could end up with this headache for another day. And how the hell do we determine who to go for as the third person? Lynching you will give us answers now (even if might not be the answers we want).

 

[Klin]

The problem here is that you caught me.
Now, why would I risk to be caught? All I had to do was not change my vote at all (my vote was on Fresh). You'd have killed Joker (a C) and on day 2, with no clues at all, you'd have probably lynched another civilian, while I'd have been safe instead of risking a lynch.
If I did what you suggest I did, I must have known that I'd have raised lots of eyebrows.

But you already know that you've raised a lot of eyebrows and you damn sure know you're never safe from being lynched.

 

[Alen]

That's the problem. And that way we could end up with this headache for another day. And how the hell do we determine who to go for as the third person? Lynching you will give us answers now (even if might not be the answers we want).

You can't.

I can't be even 50% sure either, but I know my role, and I observed everyone's behavior while knowing my role.

A C would have been shocked and screamed CRIMEEEE, once I saved Joker and it was established that Blondu is a C.
A G would have tried to be more quiet because he knows that neither me nor Joker is a G.

I was looking for those who acted as if nothing happened, and Kyle was there. That's why I suggested him.

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But you already know that you've raised a lot of eyebrows and you damn sure know you're never safe from being lynched.

I was safe, come on.

Joker would have been lynched yesterday if I didn't do anything. If he's a C, none of you would have gone after me today. In all probability we'd have lynched just another civilian (some newbie most probably).
It makes sense if I was saving a fellow G (well, if we ignore that I gave the first vote for Joker), but it makes none sense if I am a G who saved a C.

My greatest fear is that I saved a G

 

[IliveForJuve]

Let's kill Kyle.

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Alen

 

[Klin]

I was safe, come on.

Joker would have been lynched yesterday if I didn't do anything. If he's a C, none of you would have gone after me today. In all probability we'd have lynched just another civilian (some newbie most probably).
It makes sense if I was saving a fellow G (well, if we ignore that I gave the first vote for Joker), but it makes none sense if I am a G who saved a C.

My greatest fear is that I saved a G

You think a G would react the way j0ker a few minutes before you saved him?

 

[Kate]

j0ker - Qwisto
j0ker - Bezzy
j0ker - InterMerda
j0ker - Mohad

Alen - Maddy
Alen - Zach
Alen - Voller
Alen - ILFJ

Fred - j0ker

Fred is in jail and his vote does not count.

 

[Alen]

You think a G would react the way j0ker a few minutes before you saved him?

Nope, and that's what made me think that he's a C. He accepted death like Janna or Sheik would. He was this close to show us the PM with his role and get autolynched.

Blondu was just another C imo at that point. Thinking egoistically, I put myself in a position where I can defend my ass (from being lynched today), but I avoided a scenario where I can't defend myself (to be whacked. I won't be if I'm a strong lynching target). Eventually you will see that I did exactly this.

Now, some may say that because of this I complicated everything. I didn't really. We'd have killed Joker (a C) and we'd have known nothing at all. This way at least things are moving and we can observe how people react. Especially if we get lucky and involve a G in a three way.

 

[Tomice]

As I said before I just don't think both Alen and Joker are G's. it's got to be one or the other imo, there is an outside chance both aren't but since we don't have anything else to go by today and we can't just ignore those events then I guess one of them needs to be lynched for us to get any kind of answers.

My gut feeling is that Alen was just a C, doing what Alen does, who just ended up saving a G, Joker.

Regarding the three-way, and if I'm right assuming both can't be G's, I think a vote only between them is enough for the G's to expose themselves. Risking another C just to end up in the same situation tomorrow seems pointless to me.