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[Klin]

@Fr3sh

Should I?

What were you claiming here exactly?

Scenarios:

1) Alen is a C who wanted to see an reaction:
- What reaction was he hoping for?

2) Alen is a G who wanted to save his fellow G, j0ker:
- Seems straightforward and would make sense if j0ker is the crooked cop or the recruiter.

3) j0ker is a C and Alen is a G who wanted to legitimize himself as a C.
- Far-fetched theory, but could make sense. Alen's goal was to save a C today at the lynching. By saving a C and getting that saved person lynched the following day, he would look like a verified C.
- It does seem strange that Alen would bring himself in danger if he's a G and not saving a fellow G. An explanation could be that it would be a way for him to avoid the usual "Why didn't you get whacked, Alen?" questions. If he isn't whacked early, he usually gets lynched sooner or later just because he's Alen. This could be a way of avoiding that. Since Fred is pushing for j0ker - and not Alen - to get lynched, I can't help but think that this might be the case.

Also:
- Why was Ocelot whacked?

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But from your own perspective, you end up in a possible three-way with j0ker (who you think is a C), yourself and some random third person. How the hell is this a good situation for you? Why is that preferable to going for someone different tomorrow?

There is simply no way both of them are Cs. Why go for all the hassle then? I believed he sent the PM to Alen because j0ker was acting stranger than usual and thought he was actually being honest and scared, but Alen refused that. And I honestly don't get your bolded part?

Going for one of them today may give us different answers. On one hand we have j0ker, who was saved like a hero at the last minute by Alen of all = freaking Alen guys - and then Alen himself, in process killing the most obvious C candidate there was. Why would a C do that if he admittedly said none of them are Gs?

My gut tells me they're both Gs with joker as the CC or Recruiter, but let's see how today develops.

 

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[Maddy]

What on earth happened here last night :sergoi:

The jailor should jail Alen, so he can't snake his way out of this. Seriously.

Thank you.

 

[Zacheryah]

What on earth happened here last night :sergoi:

The jailor should jail Alen, so he can't snake his way out of this. Seriously.

Thank you.

Its not like that saves him from getting lynched....

 

[Maddy]

Alen is a gambler. He's here to have fun and create a mess to make the game interesting.

Last night was a typical 'big balls'-move by Alen. Confident he's a G.

Even if he's a C, he's a dangerous man to have among us. Ego too big. Not a team player. He's an extremely intelligent version of fr3sh.

Alen

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Its not like that saves him from getting lynched....

Looking at a lot of the C's no doubt Alen could snake his way out by exploiting the natural insecurity in this style of game.

 

[j0ker]

What were you claiming here exactly?



There is simply no way both of them are Cs. Why go for all the hassle then? I believed he sent the PM to Alen because j0ker was acting stranger than usual and thought he was actually being honest and scared, but Alen refused that. And I honestly don't get your bolded part?

Going for one of them today may give us different answers. On one hand we have j0ker, who was saved like a hero at the last minute by Alen of all = freaking Alen guys - and then Alen himself, in process killing the most obvious C candidate there was. Why would a C do that if he admittedly said none of them are Gs?

My gut tells me they're both Gs with joker as the CC or Recruiter, but let's see how today develops.

I was joking about pulling the kamikaze stunt.

As I said I am willing to get lynched tonight as long you guys go after Alen next.

 

[Fred]

This is typical Alen though. He is not stupid, he knows he's getting lynched by pulling that stunt. I've played as a G with him 3 or 4 times, when he pulls something like that, its something he's mulled over and he knows exactly what the consequences are. Why would he put himself in danger like that from day 1, he doesn't make mistakes as big as this one unless it isn't a mistake at all. I am confident he wants us to lynch him, that is exactly what he wants, I am almost sure Joker is not a normal G, he is a special role one. Alen believes it is more important that Joker survives longer than he does. That's why I really believe that Joker is the one we should lynch today, obviously if he turns out to be a G, then Alen is next.

The only thing that doesn't make sense to me, is that Alen was the first to bring Jokers name up. This is the only part that just doesn't make any sense at all. But then again, I try to think of scenarios where Alen is a C, and that makes even less sense. Why would a C lie about a pm they received saying that the person that is about to be lynched was a BG, why would any C lie about that?

 

[j0ker]

That's why I really believe that Joker is the one we should lynch today, obviously if he turns out to be a G, then Alen is next.

Am I only one seeing this shit?

Hello Cs?

He wants to go after Alen if I turn out to be a G, but after I get lynched and everyone sees that I am a C then WHAT?? Just forget Alen?

Both you and Alen are Gs.

 

[Fred]

Am I only one seeing this shit?

Hello Cs?

He wants to go after Alen if I turn out to be a G, but after I get lynched and everyone sees that I am a C then WHAT?? Just forget Alen?

Both you and Alen are Gs.

all I see is you and Alen working towards the same goal; and that is getting Alen lynched and keeping you for one more day.

Everything points out towards that, FFS even Alen is not putting up a fight.

But you know what, I'm going to humor you and actually respond to your meaningless and shitty theory.

So this is your theory
You are a C, and me and Alen are G's:

- Yesterday 5 minutes from deadline, there is not one vote on either me or Alen. All the votes are spread between 3 people; dodo, joker and blondu.
- You have the most votes; a couple more than Blondu
- Alen then decides to try and convince people to vote for Blondu(at this point there is still absolutely no heat on Alen).
- 3 minutes from time he decides to lie about receiving a PM from you saying you're the BG.
- Alen knows that by doing that he will remove the heat from you(allegedly a C) and put the heat on himself (you're saying now he's a G).

Now you tell me how any of the above makes any sense. I would assume that if you were a C and both me and Alen were G's, he'd just let you be lynched right. Surely that has got to be easier than all this elaborate plot you have going on, where you'd be saved today just to be lynched the next day.


Also, I've pulled this shit with Alen before, where you both are now going to pretend that you're fighting each other.

 

[j0ker]

all I see is you and Alen working towards the same goal; and that is getting Alen lynched and keeping you for one more day.

Everything points out towards that, FFS even Alen is not putting up a fight.

But you know what, I'm going to humor you and actually respond to your meaningless and shitty theory.

So this is your theory
You are a C, and me and Alen are G's:

- Yesterday 5 minutes from deadline, there is not one vote on either me or Alen. All the votes are spread between 3 people; dodo, joker and blondu.
- You have the most votes; a couple more than Blondu
- Alen then decides to try and convince people to vote for Blondu(at this point there is still absolutely no heat on Alen).
- 3 minutes from time he decides to lie about receiving a PM from you saying you're the BG.
- Alen knows that by doing that he will remove the heat from you(allegedly a C) and put the heat on himself (you're saying now he's a G).

Now you tell me how any of the above makes any sense. I would assume that if you were a C and both me and Alen were G's, he'd just let you be lynched right. Surely that has got to be easier than all this elaborate plot you have going on, where you'd be saved today just to be lynched the next day.


Also, I've pulled this shit with Alen before, where you both are now going to pretend that you're fighting each other.

Cool story, bro.

Stop deflecting and respond to the question now:

What happens to Alen after I get lynched and turn out to be a C?

 

[dodo]

My main suspect is Bezzy. She accused me out of nowhere, but suddenly changed her target to blondu because he said one of my accusers is/are Gs and was on to something. The bad guys maybe thought it would be too risky to gang up with too many on me after this, and saw another free opportunity in blondu while silencing him since he already had a vote or 2 against him.

After poor blondu got lynched, she directly went back to me because she already laid the foundation for another easy target. I'm sure she and someone else who voted for blondu are bad guys and will be coming for me now.

 

[Fred]

Cool story, bro.

Stop deflecting and respond to the question now:

What happens to Alen after I get lynched and turn out to be a C?

I don't know. We're just going to have to find out, aren't we?

But ya, Alen stopped you from getting lynched yesterday so that he can lynch you today, that makes a lot of sense

 

[Völler]

What were you claiming here exactly?



There is simply no way both of them are Cs. Why go for all the hassle then? I believed he sent the PM to Alen because j0ker was acting stranger than usual and thought he was actually being honest and scared, but Alen refused that. And I honestly don't get your bolded part?

Going for one of them today may give us different answers. On one hand we have j0ker, who was saved like a hero at the last minute by Alen of all = freaking Alen guys - and then Alen himself, in process killing the most obvious C candidate there was. Why would a C do that if he admittedly said none of them are Gs?

My gut tells me they're both Gs with joker as the CC or Recruiter, but let's see how today develops.

Bolded part regarding scenario 3:

1) j0ker was close to getting lynched
2) Alen saves j0ker (j0ker's a C in this scenario)
3) j0ker is lynched the following day
4) Alen looks like a C

 

[Fred]

Bolded part regarding scenario 3:

1) j0ker was close to getting lynched
2) Alen saves j0ker (j0ker's a C in this scenario)
3) j0ker is lynched the following day
4) Alen looks like a C

Meh, that's not something Alen would do. Its not like people were suspecting him anyway. Nobody ever pulls a stunt like that as a G, just to look like a C.

Alen is almost definitely a G, but I doubt he pulled that stunt yesterday just to look like a C. That is way too far fetched. Remember, Alen did not have even one vote yesterday, and there is a huge probability now that he'll get lynched. I'm more inclined to believe he actually wants to get lynched today.

 

[Völler]

Meh, that's not something Alen would do. Its not like people were suspecting him anyway. Nobody ever pulls a stunt like that as a G, just to look like a C.

Alen is almost definitely a G, but I doubt he pulled that stunt yesterday just to look like a C. That is way too far fetched. Remember, Alen did not have even one vote yesterday, and there is a huge probability now that he'll get lynched. I'm more inclined to believe he actually wants to get lynched today.

It's definitely far-fetched. But it is a way to avoid the usual "Why haven't you been whacked yet, Alen" questions. Also, if he's on a strong G team, it would make even more sense.

I'm not sure why you're suggesting that he wants to get lynched. If he is, he'll only survive one more day than j0ker anyway. And if j0ker's the recruiter, they'd have recruited by then anyway. If he's the crooked cop, sure, the difference is one day, but still.

 

[Fred]

It's definitely far-fetched. But it is a way to avoid the usual "Why haven't you been whacked yet, Alen" questions. Also, if he's on a strong G team, it would make even more sense.

I'm not sure why you're suggesting that he wants to get lynched. If he is, he'll only survive one more day than j0ker anyway. And if j0ker's the recruiter, they'd have recruited by then anyway. If he's the crooked cop, sure, the difference is one day, but still.

Obviously he'd prefer a third party to get lynched. But if we were to believe that he and Joker are on the same team, its obvious he prefers to be lynched ahead of him.

For one, he pulled that stunt which saved joker and put the heat on him. Secondly, you see how in his posts he's constantly referring to Joker as a C, and he seems confident about that while on the other hand Joker is arguing that Alen is a G. Its all pointing towards Alen wanting Joker to live another day.

It would make sense if Joker was the crooked cop or the recruiter, each additional day will have its value.

 

[Alen]

So why don't you want to make it a three way?

If you think Joker and I are Gs, you'll vote for us and the Gs will vote for the third guy, so you'll catch the Gs like flies.
Lets see who's willing to vote for whom.

Those who think I protected Joker the CC or recruiter, can still vote for him. Those who think I'm a G who protected a C in order to look like a C, can still vote for me. In all probability, Joker or me will be lynched, so you lose nothing if you make it a three way between me, Joker and Kyle.

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Obviously he'd prefer a third party to get lynched. But if we were to believe that he and Joker are on the same team, its obvious he prefers to be lynched ahead of him.

For one, he pulled that stunt which saved joker and put the heat on him. Secondly, you see how in his posts he's constantly referring to Joker as a C, and he seems confident about that while on the other hand Joker is arguing that Alen is a G. Its all pointing towards Alen wanting Joker to live another day.

It would make sense if Joker was the crooked cop or the recruiter, each additional day will have its value.

Again you're ignoring one important piece of info - I started the voting on Joker.
I do have a following in this game, so if he and I were Gs, I'd have known better not to start the voting on a fellow G.
And, as you can see from yesterday's posts, my vote on Joker was indeed followed by a big bunch to the point that he was dead close to getting lynched.

Why did I start the voting on my CC/Recruiter?

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And since I could be jailed, I need to highlight something else.

1. I'm a G who protected a more important G
- This is something I'd do. The problem is that I started the voting on Joker.

2. I'm a G who protected a C in order to look like a C and avoid the "why aren't you whacked?" questions.
- Possible, but far fetched, as noted. I wasn't in danger at all and I made myself the main lynching candidate.

3. I'm a special role
- I'm not, but it would have been something I'd do if I were a special role. I'd have expected to be whacked and this could have been my way to attract attention in order not to be whacked.

4. I'm just a normal C.
- Well, I am. I did expect to be whacked yesterday and since we were achieving nothing by lynching Joker, I wanted to do something before I'm whacked. Also, if I wasn't whacked I made sure that I won't be whacked today or tomorrow. I did take the risk to be lynched today or tomorrow, but as a normal C it's a risk I'm willing to take. Like I said, we don't die for real when we're lynched.
Now, since #4 is what really happened, I'd like to observe the voting patterns and it's best done in a three way tie. Perhaps we might get lucky to put a G in the three way. I find Kyle suspicious and I offer to make him the third candidate. Later in the game, when my role and Joker's role will be known, you can observe the voting patterns today and make conclusions.

 

[Fred]

So why don't you want to make it a three way?

If you think Joker and I are Gs, you'll vote for us and the Gs will vote for the third guy, so you'll catch the Gs like flies.
Lets see who's willing to vote for whom.

Those who think I protected Joker the CC or recruiter, can still vote for him. Those who think I'm a G who protected a C in order to look like a C, can still vote for me. In all probability, Joker or me will be lynched, so you lose nothing if you make it a three way between me, Joker and Kyle.

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Again you're ignoring one important piece of info - I started the voting on Joker.
I do have a following in this game, so if he and I were Gs, I'd have known better not to start the voting on a fellow G.
And, as you can see from yesterday's posts, my vote on Joker was indeed followed by a big bunch to the point that he was dead close to getting lynched.

Why did I start the voting on my CC/Recruiter?

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And since I could be jailed, I need to highlight something else.

1. I'm a G who protected a more important G
- This is something I'd do. The problem is that I started the voting on Joker.

2. I'm a G who protected a C in order to look like a C and avoid the "why aren't you whacked?" questions.
- Possible, but far fetched, as noted. I wasn't in danger at all and I made myself the main lynching candidate.

3. I'm a special role
- I'm not, but it would have been something I'd do if I were a special role. I'd have expected to be whacked and this could have been my way to attract attention in order not to be whacked.

4. I'm just a normal C.
- Well, I am. I did expect to be whacked yesterday and since we were achieving nothing by lynching Joker, I wanted to do something before I'm whacked. Also, if I wasn't whacked I made sure that I won't be whacked today or tomorrow. I did take the risk to be lynched today or tomorrow, but as a normal C it's a risk I'm willing to take. Like I said, we don't die for real when we're lynched.
Now, since #4 is what really happened, I'd like to observe the voting patterns and it's best done in a three way tie. Perhaps we might get lucky to put a G in the three way. I find Kyle suspicious and I offer to make him the third candidate. Later in the game, when my role and Joker's role will be known, you can observe the voting patterns today and make conclusions.

I'm not ignoring that part of the story, I've said time and time again, most recently at the top of this page, that I just cannot understand or explain that part. I'll be honest; it doesn't make sense to me that you started the voting against him, it isn't something you would do. But then again, all the other theories have much bigger flaws to them IMO.

It makes even less sense for you to do that as a C, how could you be so sure of Joker being a C that you were willing to risk yourself for it? That makes even less sense to me. What if he does turn out to be a G, surely nothing from yesterday has given us a strong indication that Joker is a C, at least not enough for you to actually risk yourself for it.

The least likely scenario is that you're a special role, you definitely wouldn't pull such a stunt if you really were one. Especially not one of the more important ones.

 

[Basel93]

So why don't you want to make it a three way?

If you think Joker and I are Gs, you'll vote for us and the Gs will vote for the third guy, so you'll catch the Gs like flies.
Lets see who's willing to vote for whom.

Those who think I protected Joker the CC or recruiter, can still vote for him. Those who think I'm a G who protected a C in order to look like a C, can still vote for me. In all probability, Joker or me will be lynched, so you lose nothing if you make it a three way between me, Joker and Kyle.

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Again you're ignoring one important piece of info - I started the voting on Joker.
I do have a following in this game, so if he and I were Gs, I'd have known better not to start the voting on a fellow G.
And, as you can see from yesterday's posts, my vote on Joker was indeed followed by a big bunch to the point that he was dead close to getting lynched.

Why did I start the voting on my CC/Recruiter?

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And since I could be jailed, I need to highlight something else.

1. I'm a G who protected a more important G
- This is something I'd do. The problem is that I started the voting on Joker.

2. I'm a G who protected a C in order to look like a C and avoid the "why aren't you whacked?" questions.
- Possible, but far fetched, as noted. I wasn't in danger at all and I made myself the main lynching candidate.

3. I'm a special role
- I'm not, but it would have been something I'd do if I were a special role. I'd have expected to be whacked and this could have been my way to attract attention in order not to be whacked.

4. I'm just a normal C.
- Well, I am. I did expect to be whacked yesterday and since we were achieving nothing by lynching Joker, I wanted to do something before I'm whacked. Also, if I wasn't whacked I made sure that I won't be whacked today or tomorrow. I did take the risk to be lynched today or tomorrow, but as a normal C it's a risk I'm willing to take. Like I said, we don't die for real when we're lynched.
Now, since #4 is what really happened, I'd like to observe the voting patterns and it's best done in a three way tie. Perhaps we might get lucky to put a G in the three way. I find Kyle suspicious and I offer to make him the third candidate. Later in the game, when my role and Joker's role will be known, you can observe the voting patterns today and make conclusions.

On the bright side if you are actually a C and end up in jail, you dont get whacked.

 

[j0ker]

As a G it makes sense for you to make three way with me, you and Kyle (who I have no idea why you found suspicious)

If me and Kyle are Cs which is likely then your chances to get lynched are 33%, while if it's just between me and you it goes to 50%.

But fuck %, lets just go ahead and lynch me today and go after you and Frend starting from tomorrow.

 

[Qwisto]

I can't overlook J0ker and Alen here. It seems as if Alen is more than capable of making plays either way and I don't know him well enough to do much with it atm. I'll have a somewhat quiet day today as I'll be out from 17:00 to around 22:30ish. Also need to check-up on Ocelot's whacking.

I'll go J0ker for now.