Robin Van Persie - Forward - Arsenal (12 Viewers)
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you missed the one big point about inter, they are now just like us before the start of the last season, without CL football, no player of RVP class will join them even if they offered him 25 millions/year wage, especially player like RVP who clearly said he want to play in CL... even milan is looking better than inter today and yet you claimed that inter is the only choice for RVP... that was amusing...
and last time I saw, we are not that much behind milan duo in total squad wage and we have chances to offload MANY players to make room for ibra-esque wage I believe...
whether all that will be done or not that simply another matter, but right now, it's insane to say that RVP will choose inter
and last time I saw, we are not that much behind milan duo in total squad wage and we have chances to offload MANY players to make room for ibra-esque wage I believe...
whether all that will be done or not that simply another matter, but right now, it's insane to say that RVP will choose inter
Because this discussion before, last year and we are having it each and every summer and i was here and you werent, i actually have an idea on the matter, simply i am participating in similar forums, on similar matters, for over a decade now. Members here like Alen have presented pretty good facts/numbers about our teams capabilities.
No offense, i might have missing smth with the RVP deal, but are we discussing, an eventual salary of 4,5-5,5mil euros/year?
Because thats far as we can get at the moment, (before taxes) at best. And we are making efforts to further reduce it.
What numbers do you had in mind? speak openly!
No offense, i might have missing smth with the RVP deal, but are we discussing, an eventual salary of 4,5-5,5mil euros/year?
Because thats far as we can get at the moment, (before taxes) at best. And we are making efforts to further reduce it.
What numbers do you had in mind? speak openly!
I wasnt a part of your discussion. I simply point out that your arguments fail when you haven't got your facts straight.
I have no intention in discussing this matter with you. But thank you for the patronizing comment about you participating (hence knowing) and me not (hence not knowing).
Thankfully, I got a report on the possible financial transaction tax within EU to do. So have a good day and please do some research before starting the tedious babbling.
I have no intention in discussing this matter with you. But thank you for the patronizing comment about you participating (hence knowing) and me not (hence not knowing).
Thankfully, I got a report on the possible financial transaction tax within EU to do. So have a good day and please do some research before starting the tedious babbling.
you missed the one big point about inter, they are now just like us before the start of the last season, without CL football, no player of RVP class will join them even if they offered him 25 millions/year wage, especially player like RVP who clearly said he want to play in CL... even milan is looking better than inter today and yet you claimed that inter is the only choice for RVP... that was amusing...
and last time I saw, we are not that much behind milan duo in total squad wage and we have chances to offload MANY players to make room for ibra-esque wage I believe...
whether all that will be done or not that simply another matter, but right now, it's insane to say that RVP will choose inter
and last time I saw, we are not that much behind milan duo in total squad wage and we have chances to offload MANY players to make room for ibra-esque wage I believe...
whether all that will be done or not that simply another matter, but right now, it's insane to say that RVP will choose inter
The FIGC, will modificate any sport law, to stray things his way. I wish, he could go away, simply because he is out of Europe for once.
I believe that the CL is a bit overabused as an argument, it did not stopped Chelsea and Man City to buy what they wanted, let alone a team that won the this title a few years earlier.
Moratti wastes craploads of money, and is a very powerful man in the background, such men can take what they want, when they want, if they eally want it.
Inter still has many great stars and many high earners and many great sponsor deals, that cannot be breaked after a bad season.
If they keep failing like that, we might overcome, but if we can buy a Vidal and Vucinic with so less income and salary cap than them, they can buy virtually anything bar the most inflated EPL players IMO. But RVP happens to be one of the ones, so personally i agree that Italy cannot tempt him at this point.
Of course Milan is in the best negotiating position atm, as i said, they have Ibra, Inter just bought Palacio and are looking for one more striker (Lavezzi and Giovinco), chances are that it wont be Giovinco, cause we wont let this happen, and Lavezzi will end up to France. They are also looking to sell Pazzini. I believe that the next transfers will happen after euro and i m sure that the interest on RVP will climax then.
Till then, all we are reading now is recycled rumors.
With Palacio at hand, Pazzini leaving and an expressed interest to buy a new forward, chances are that they will look at RVP's sides (i doubt it, they will end up with a Destro in the end)
But i still give it more chances to happen than Milan, as long as Ibra is there, i really doubt that they will sell him to PSG.
Of course tthey have better chances than Inter to buy him, but as long as they have Ibra, i doubt that they will consider him, so i exclude them by default, knowing they can afford RVP's salary even better than Inter.
To claim that i dont have my facts right, you claim that you know what my facts are and what the correct facts are, so you know i am wrong. If you dont know both of those values, then you cant make such a claim.
So enlighten us? How did you reached that conclusion?
I did not accused you of anything, you are the one who did!
So? Where is your argument that stands behind this accusation, (on my claim that RVP earns more that we can afford)?
I determined my argument with a certain number, as a token of good will.
What exactly do you mean? State your number!
Since you already have the report at hand... and you are so sure of it...
PS as for the patronising comment, it was quite moddest, comparing to your false accusations...
So enlighten us? How did you reached that conclusion?
I did not accused you of anything, you are the one who did!
So? Where is your argument that stands behind this accusation, (on my claim that RVP earns more that we can afford)?
I determined my argument with a certain number, as a token of good will.
What exactly do you mean? State your number!
Since you already have the report at hand... and you are so sure of it...
PS as for the patronising comment, it was quite moddest, comparing to your false accusations...
we as a club want to reduce the total squad wage not individual wage... 
This is a fact for all the teams and our board has been saying since last year, that we will normalise the differencies.
A star player like RVP, would rightfully earn more. But you cant ask from everyone to accept reduced salaries for our team's shake and then go and spend it all on one player.
Naturally trivialities appear on the long run, with players and managers making claims that consider rightful and not so long time ago Bonucci got a salary bonus because of that.
So for every team, there are a set of rules that decides such differencies and Platini's rules also have a part on the maximum salary that can be payed, calculated by the income and average wages.
I m with at throwing Boriello, Padoin, Piazenza and Iaquinta to the wolves and pay it all to RVP, but practically in cannot be done today, football is no longer what it once was and we are a shining example in that department.
Our financial are extremely well polished, the controls on us the most strict and frequent, the tolerance is zero and the penalties the most severe.
We wont make any irregularities for no ones shake.
True.
If you discount the following financial reasons;
- Inter only have one player on a salary more than €4.5m, the same as Juventus.
- Juventus are in a far stronger financial situation:
Inter's turnover has fallen in the last two seasons. Juventus' is expected to increase by €50m from last season to this.
Inter made a loss of €87m in the last financial year with CL football and no extraordinary costs. Juventus lost €95m in the same period with no CL football and building a new stadium.
Inter have made losses of €665m in the last five financial years.
- Being 'able to afford' and being 'willing to pay' are two different things.
If you discount the following sporting reasons;
- Inter are not in the CL.
- Juventus are a better team and current league champions.
If you discount the following financial reasons;
- Inter only have one player on a salary more than €4.5m, the same as Juventus.
- Juventus are in a far stronger financial situation:
Inter's turnover has fallen in the last two seasons. Juventus' is expected to increase by €50m from last season to this.
Inter made a loss of €87m in the last financial year with CL football and no extraordinary costs. Juventus lost €95m in the same period with no CL football and building a new stadium.
Inter have made losses of €665m in the last five financial years.
- Being 'able to afford' and being 'willing to pay' are two different things.
If you discount the following sporting reasons;
- Inter are not in the CL.
- Juventus are a better team and current league champions.
who is that he you referring to in the last sentence? moratti? meh I don't care with him lol, but I agree that UEFA simply can't stop the rich from interfere with european football especially in top leagues, football need the money.
But at some point I believe sport is different than pure commercialism and industrialism and some would not let external interference goes too deeply in any sports actually or otherwise doping would've allowed already or that record breaking swimsuit since both actually could generate even more money.
there's a flaw on your observation, both chelsea and city only started buying top players when they started become regulars in CL, also take a look at liverpool, they are somewhat like us in the last few years and look, which top players joined them? while yes some players might choose money over CL football, we were talking about RVP who said himself that he want to play in CL, so that rules out Inter next year.
but inter didn't buy such players (after they got the treble)... why? arrogance? maybe, but I refuse to believe that moratti didn't want inter to continue to dominate europe, I speculate that they somehow actually couldn't buy anymore top players...
in the end I believe we can actually afford RVP, at very least I'm sure technically/financially we can afford RVP if we actually want to
But at some point I believe sport is different than pure commercialism and industrialism and some would not let external interference goes too deeply in any sports actually or otherwise doping would've allowed already or that record breaking swimsuit since both actually could generate even more money.
there's a flaw on your observation, both chelsea and city only started buying top players when they started become regulars in CL, also take a look at liverpool, they are somewhat like us in the last few years and look, which top players joined them? while yes some players might choose money over CL football, we were talking about RVP who said himself that he want to play in CL, so that rules out Inter next year.
but inter didn't buy such players (after they got the treble)... why? arrogance? maybe, but I refuse to believe that moratti didn't want inter to continue to dominate europe, I speculate that they somehow actually couldn't buy anymore top players...
in the end I believe we can actually afford RVP, at very least I'm sure technically/financially we can afford RVP if we actually want to
should i bother answering that, or will you run away once i do and your argument is countered last time and you have yet again failed to defame me?
(if you wish i can discuss it seriously, i ll make a resume
-We didnt have Moratti, we were his victims, we were not coming from a CL title but from serie B, we were coming for 2 consecutive 7th position, a catastrophic 5 year plan and were obviously run by clueless managers, we were not having the same bounce back capabilities, Mourinho bought what he wanted and he arrived before CL, Man City had WC forwards before they had CL)
Thank you, having you in front of me now, i would have kissed you!!
Finally a man talking with a number!!
YES, that is a number we can afford!!
But is the number that Arsenal cant afford anymore?? Is this the number RVP demands for so long and is not given to him, so this whole transfer talk begun?
All these articles? http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/05/19/robin-van-persie-wants-275k-a-week-man-city-wont-pay-arsenal-cant-afford-to-so-what-now/
the reported wages, from the Fabregas, Adebayors etc wages, we have now reached into that number and Arsenal still has issues to match it?
WoW, then we can really make a bid for him! If this number is confirmed.
If Arsenal cant keep their stars because they cant offer this numbers to their best players, i wonder how the other EPL teams did not take them apart yet.
If Man City can afford more than double for Dzekos, no other Arsenal player we extend his contract with them.
And the bad media reporting that the RVP became greedy and started demanding Messi and C.Ronaldo wages were referring to that number??
I guess we can afford anyone then...
(if you wish i can discuss it seriously, i ll make a resume
-We didnt have Moratti, we were his victims, we were not coming from a CL title but from serie B, we were coming for 2 consecutive 7th position, a catastrophic 5 year plan and were obviously run by clueless managers, we were not having the same bounce back capabilities, Mourinho bought what he wanted and he arrived before CL, Man City had WC forwards before they had CL)
Thank you, having you in front of me now, i would have kissed you!!
Finally a man talking with a number!!
YES, that is a number we can afford!!
But is the number that Arsenal cant afford anymore?? Is this the number RVP demands for so long and is not given to him, so this whole transfer talk begun?
All these articles? http://www.caughtoffside.com/2012/05/19/robin-van-persie-wants-275k-a-week-man-city-wont-pay-arsenal-cant-afford-to-so-what-now/
the reported wages, from the Fabregas, Adebayors etc wages, we have now reached into that number and Arsenal still has issues to match it?
WoW, then we can really make a bid for him! If this number is confirmed.
If Arsenal cant keep their stars because they cant offer this numbers to their best players, i wonder how the other EPL teams did not take them apart yet.
If Man City can afford more than double for Dzekos, no other Arsenal player we extend his contract with them.
And the bad media reporting that the RVP became greedy and started demanding Messi and C.Ronaldo wages were referring to that number??
I guess we can afford anyone then...
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