Robin Van Persie - Forward - Arsenal (11 Viewers)

[only-juve]

Higuain, at 24, has quite the injury track record himself, though. And according to his doctors, his back injury could've even ended his career.

Atleast with Higuain he's still pretty young, if things doesn't work out with him (considering his injuries) we still can manage to sell him and get a decent $$ back. With Van persie one more injury and we're completely screwed "big time".

So you want Higuaín/Cavani?

I agree though, last season was Van Persie's first with over 30 games in the Premier League, it's a concern even if Conte and his coaches think they have figured out why players get injuries in the first place.

Both are good enough, it depends more on their price. If Cavani is priced at 35+ mil then I'd rather we look somewhere else.

 

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[Nicholas]

I don't think we have a chance of landing Van Persie.

 

[Zlatan]

For me, the issue isnt so much his injuries as it is his age. I fear we wont get more than 1 or 2 good years out of him before his form starts to drop, and then be stuck with a player with no resale value and on 8 mil € a year.

 

[Rollie]

This,

Waaay too much of a risk, it's not really worth it.

- he's already 29 years old, been injured almost all his career. One more serious injury and we're seriously screwed. 30 mil euros thrown down the trash (reminds me of a certain Andrade). And being an Arsenal player makes me even more suspicious about the guy.

So you want Higuaín/Cavani?

I agree though, last season was Van Persie's first with over 30 games in the Premier League, it's a concern even if Conte and his coaches think they have figured out why players get injuries in the first place.

Only-Juve, one more serious injury could pretty much be the end of any of these players prolific scoring ability. That's the risk you take when spend 25M+ on any one player - if they don't perform, you're in big trouble. We've been there recently - not with injuries, but with the incompatibility issues, or whatever you want to call Melo and Diegos situations.

*Edit - sorry this point was very loose with me bringing up incompatibility, but the overall point was that any big move carries considerable risk - I'm sure you get that. As for resale value, that shouldn't be our primary focus for every purchase - this team has a nice blend of young and old, and Juventus is built to win right now. *

Salvatore, I see what you're saying, but some of those years were due to competition, and others to freak accidents. For what it's worth, he has played 80 games for Arsenal over the past two seasons. That's pretty decent, especially when you consider the 59 goals and 22 assists during those games. Not. Too. Shabby. He's obviously been key for the Netherlands as well, although Wiki doesn't give me specific stats for him there over the past two years.

*Edit - It actually does give the Ned statistics for goals and appearances (not assists), but they don't sink up exactly with the club years. Over the previous 4 years (before 2012) he played 40 games - never more than 11, or less than 9. So over the past two seasons, you can basically estimate that he's played around 100 matches total. *

The injury thing would be more of a concern for me if it was a lot of recent muscle issues (which can often signal that a player hasn't learned how to take care of his body for the rigors of professional footy/sports), or if he had a history of some severe ligament and tendon damage in his knees, ankles, etc. He missed what... 6-8 weeks after the Chiello tackle? Something like that?

There are no recurring issues, guys, this player doesn't have one type of injury that keeps flaring up, and I haven't seen any info that suggests he's had any of the major surgeries that should really worry us. No degenerative issues, etc.

I really don't think he's realistic for us anyway - I think we'd be extremely fortunate to get any of the rumored CF guys (Cavani/Higuain/RvP/Dzeko). They all have tremendous scoring records, all provide the necessary star power.

Anyway , the injury history wouldn't preclude me from buying the best striker in the EPL. Especially given that most players of that caliber move for at least 40M, and haven't been too excited about moving to Serie A in recent years (for a host of reasons).

 

[Primitive]

I think Dzeko is very far from providing "necessary star power". He ain't a star because he never had an extraordinary season with a big club and that's what stars does. He was immense at Wolfsburg , but that doesn't make him a WC star or smth. I don't understand the hype about this guy. He is a typical old school striker, like Mario Gomez and so on. A player like Cavani would score goals and work his ass off for the team, Van Persie would score and assist a lot, Higuain - well, i like him a lot But Dzeko he got nothing beside scoring. Yes i know all we need is a goalscorer, but i don' even consider him as a WC player, there are so many better options.

 

[baggio]

Why do people think this move is not possible? If for a minute, we remove Manchester Shitty from the equation , I'd like to think there's a lot of talk signalling a big possibility of this move taking place. Starting with Arsenal's 30m fee, which is well in the region of what we are looking to spend. Very clearly, both Higuain and Cavani, would cost more from their respective clubs given the bargaining power Napoli and Madrid will have with time on the player contracts too. And just as importantly the will of the players in question.

Higuain and Cavani would both be offered a similar salary package of about 6m if reports are to be believed but neither would come cheaper than what we can get RvP for. The latter is being offered 7m plus bonuses by Juve and he wants 8, which IMO is a negligible point in a 3 month negotiation window. I personally think and believe that if RvP is Conte's first choice candidate as reported, then we will move to close the deal. BouchraVan Persie recently said she preferred Turin to Msnchster and I think it will be a consideration the player will definitely take into account. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, he himself said that money isn't everything and he wants to win a few trophies now. His visit itself was a good indicator. Yes, City will give him the chance to do that, but seeing what ajuve just accomplished, we would be able to offer a fair opportunity ourselves.

A lot of people may differ with this view, but I think, off all the candidates, RVP looks a fair possibility. Arsenal will want to sell him out of England. He would be within our price budget, his wife likes Turin. There's a lot of press about the player and club, it's got to be coming from somewhere. Even though I don't think we'll know anything before the mid or end of July after the Euros.

I was initially against the move, but I have a feeling RvP will do well here against expectations. And to be honest, he's the only striker of the lot, who should be valued 30m or above. Cavani and Higuain will have inflated prices which we shouldn't pay.

This idea is growing on me, and I think it could be a good move.

 

[TheLaz]

Why do people think this move is not possible? If for a minute, we remove Manchester $#@!ty from the equation , I'd like to think there's a lot of talk signalling a big possibility of this move taking place. Starting with Arsenal's 30m fee, which is well in the region of what we are looking to spend. Very clearly, both Higuain and Cavani, would cost more from their respective clubs given the bargaining power Napoli and Madrid will have with time on the player contracts too. And just as importantly the will of the players in question.

Higuain and Cavani would both be offered a similar salary package of about 6m if reports are to be believed but neither would come cheaper than what we can get RvP for. The latter is being offered 7m plus bonuses by Juve and he wants 8, which IMO is a negligible point in a 3 month negotiation window. I personally think and believe that if RvP is Conte's first choice candidate as reported, then we will move to close the deal. BouchraVan Persie recently said she preferred Turin to Msnchster and I think it will be a consideration the player will definitely take into account. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, he himself said that money isn't everything and he wants to win a few trophies now. His visit itself was a good indicator. Yes, City will give him the chance to do that, but seeing what ajuve just accomplished, we would be able to offer a fair opportunity ourselves.

A lot of people may differ with this view, but I think, off all the candidates, RVP looks a fair possibility. Arsenal will want to sell him out of England. He would be within our price budget, his wife likes Turin. There's a lot of press about the player and club, it's got to be coming from somewhere. Even though I don't think we'll know anything before the mid or end of July after the Euros.

I was initially against the move, but I have a feeling RvP will do well here against expectations. And to be honest, he's the only striker of the lot, who should be valued 30m or above. Cavani and Higuain will have inflated prices which we shouldn't pay.

This idea is growing on me, and I think it could be a good move.

Think of the case here: Robin van Persie is not extending his contract. His contract runs out in exactly one year. What if he does not move from Arsenal but decides to stay, despite not signing a new contract. This will put him complete free for offers next season!? If van persie is confident he won't stay with Arsenal (because he knows this is a one time chance to move to a club where he can actually win trophies) he will not sign a new contract. Arsenal will be offered 30 million € this summer for a player they will lose out on 30 million € on! he might play for Arsenal yet another season but will it be the same? Fabregas and Nasri both wanted out and played shit the last season in Arsenal - the career chance sparked new energy and they thrive in their new clubs.. Robin van Persie is already thriving in Arsenal but should Wenger not appreciate him and offer him a decent contract OR is his personal ambitions higher then what he expect to archive with Arsenal, well, the move suddenly seems all positive to me. Juventus could land him, and we have the crew to do just that. GO Marotta, GO!!

 

[Cronios]

Because of his salary and his age.
He plays in the EPL for almost a decade, he is a high profile attacker, the most expensive kind of footballers.
The prestige he has now and his age, do not allow huge salary cuts. And he simply has plentifull options not do it.
We can muster a fee to make a proper bid, but his salary after taxes is what really makes unrealistic.

Dzeko is young enough to accept a salary cap for a chance to earn RVP's glory with us.
Higuain is not as used with EPL standards and we might have a better chance there.
With Cavani, we will be a step forward to what NApoli could offer and he is also young enough to hope for a future next step as well.

RVP at this age and time wouldnt at any circumstances consider such a compromise, so he is the least realistic choice!

 

[Nicholas]

I bring some news.

Van Persie and his family are not convinced to move to Manchester.

 

[YasoR17]

Of course not. Bouchra prefers Turin. I convinced her.

 

[Nicholas]

Who?

 

[YasoR17]

Robin Hood's wifey

 

[swag]

39 pages of fiction.

Oh, you Tuz, you.

 

[mukumsplau]

im not willing to take the risk with persie. we should try at all costs to get cavani or failing that, gonthalo..thats alot of money to risk on persie. can we insure his legs like they did with cr7?

 

[JuveJay]

I bring some news.

Van Persie and his family are not convinced to move to Manchester.

That's because he has been to Manchester.

 

[j0ker]

I guess his family hate the weather in Manchester just like Aguero's.

 

[Nardonejuve]

Well you definitely don't move to England for the weather.

 

[ZoSo]

We are willing to offer him 7m plus bonuses. Not at far off his wage demands. And in the current football climate with the kind of salaries players earn, I would say his demands are reasonable by continental standards. Ibra earns what, 12m?!

The main thing that bothers me about RvP is how frail he is as a player. Not the fittest around. If his injury issues can be sorted, his 29 year old body can serve us another 3 years at the highest level and maybe another year after that with decreased precision.

Although I definitely think we need to close a deal like his sooner rather than later and not let it play out like the Aguero saga, coz if this goes to auction, we'll lose hands down.

People still go on about this??????

“I have played 60 games this season, I have not missed a single league match for Arsenal.

Van Persie has had his problems with injuries in the past, but last season he ran more miles than any other player in the Premier League - a stat which he believes helps explain his improvement in fitness.

The Dutchman added: “Stats don’t tell you the whole story, but it does prove my fitness at Arsenal and in the Premier League.

“I feel fitter than ever before. I don’t need time to recover either after a match.”

 

[Jem83]

RVP: "Juve is a great club."
Gullit: "Robin, go to Turin."

http://www.calciomercato.com/prima-pagina/van-persie-chiama-la-juve-grande-squadra-176648

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[Trezegol17]

RVP
Greg will kill himself if he comes to Juve