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Bianconero81

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We have won 3 consecutive Serie A titles. We should be making moves in an attempt to try and edge closer to the European juggernauts. I don't think we can do more in Serie A (we have gone undefeated and set a new points record over the past 3 seasons).

If our management don't show enough ambition, eventually, our star players are gonna seek greener pastures and we gonna be focked.
 

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Jem83

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We have won 3 consecutive Serie A titles. We should be making moves in an attempt to try and edge closer to the European juggernauts. I don't think we can do more in Serie A (we have gone undefeated and set a new points record over the past 3 seasons).

If our management don't show enough ambition, eventually, our star players are gonna seek greener pastures and we gonna be focked.
But can you explain how the management should go about doing that? Let's hypothesize that what they're currently doing isn't realizing the maximum of this club's potential. Personally, I think they're going about things in the correct way (considering how far behind we are Europe's elite clubs financially), but let's say I'm wrong. What should they be doing instead?
 

JCK

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To the critics. Taking into consideration the enormous difficulties Serie-A clubs find themselves at the moment (in particular, financially), how would you (realistically) like our management to operate in the transfer market?

I just want to understand the alternative routes you think we should be taking, so that I can better see where you're coming from.
I'd like us to prioritize quality signings for players that add that little extra to the squad, that can make a difference. These players usually cost more than others and these players usually we fail to sign because of Marotta (either his skills or his prioritizing, I don't know but I know he fails to get them). During the time we are trying to sign these players we spend the big part of our budget on Pereyra, Padoin, Giaccherrini, Isla, and so on and when the time comes to seal a deal with an established player our budget becomes too thin.
 

Jem83

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I'd like us to prioritize quality signings for players that add that little extra to the squad, that can make a difference. These players usually cost more than others and these players usually we fail to sign because of Marotta (either his skills or his prioritizing, I don't know but I know he fails to get them). During the time we are trying to sign these players we spend the big part of our budget on Pereyra, Padoin, Giaccherrini, Isla, and so on and when the time comes to seal a deal with an established player our budget becomes too thin.
But when you see the transfer fees and wages (most importantly: the wages) that are being paid for such players after Marotta "fails to get them", were there actually any chance of us clinching these deals?

I don't think it's down to Marotta's closing techniques, I think it's down to the simple fact that we can't afford those players once the financial powerhouses start bidding and offering them insane wages.
 

Maddy

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But can you explain how the management should go about doing that? Let's hypothesize that what they're currently doing isn't realizing the maximum of this club's potential. Personally, I think they're going about things in the correct way (considering how far behind we are Europe's elite clubs financially), but let's say I'm wrong. What should they be doing instead?
I don't buy the premise that I as fan should deliver other alternatives to justify my critique.

I don't think Marotta is a catastrophy. But I do find him mediocre at best. There's so many unintelligent solutions from his hand. That I find his successes to be good luck rather than talent.

This constant co-own mess, Giovinco, Immobile, Bendtner, Anelka, Delneri -> Ferrara -> Conte -> Allegri, lack of offensive power, lack of european success and so on.. There's so many misses in his pocket.

If Pirlo, Barzagli and Buffon all decides this is the year they get old. Juve will be in some trouble. Especially with Allegri on board.
 

Jem83

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I just don't understand why, for instance, the failure to sign say ...Aguero... boils down to Marotta's ineptness, when the player both in terms of transfer fee and wages was clearly out of our transfer fee and wage structure. And once again, because this is the most important part, he was out of our wage structure. How can we close a deal we currently cannot afford? :boh:
 

Bianconero81

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But can you explain how the management should go about doing that? Let's hypothesize that what they're currently doing isn't realizing the maximum of this club's potential. Personally, I think they're going about things in the correct way (considering how far behind we are Europe's elite clubs financially), but let's say I'm wrong. What should they be doing instead?
As things stand, our starting 11 is one or two signings away from being as strong as it can potentially be. I compliment the management on targeting youth, but we also need one established (not necessarily WC, but with potential) player, someone who can make the difference, and wouldn't command a gigantic transfer fee or huge wages. The management, with their expertise, scouting, and general abilities should be able to do that, don't u think? I don't want us to have a Plan A, B, C, and then go to Plan D because we failed to secure our initial targets. Be clear and transparent about shit.

Be concise, efficient, and decisive.

Can we afford the player? If not, move on.

Can we afford his wages? If not, look elsewhere.

If we can afford both his transfer fee and wages, then no need to hesitate and risk losing a prospect.
 

Jem83

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As things stand, our starting 11 is one or two signings away from being as strong as it can potentially be. I complement the management on targeting youth, but we also need one established (not necessarily WC, but with potential) player, someone who can make the difference, and wouldn't command a gigantic transfer fee or huge wages. The management, with their expertise, scouting, and general abilities should be able to do that, don't u think? I don't want us to have a Plan A, B, C, and then go to Plan D because we failed to secure our initial targets. Be clear and transparent about shit.

Be concise, efficient, and decisive.

Can we afford the player? If not, move on.

Can we afford his wages? If not, look elsewhere.

If we can afford both his transfer fee and wages, then no need to hesitate and risk losing a prospect.
Well, this I very much agree with. But I think this is exactly what they're doing. Sometimes, though, they make enquiries and approaches for players that are probably (or most likely) beyond our transfer and wage budget. Players like Sanchez for instance. Perhaps they should stop doing that in order to be more transparent with the supporters, but I personally don't see the problem with at least trying.

But yeah, I do agree with what you're writing in this post, and this is what I wanna see too. I just believe it's what they're currently doing.
 

JCK

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Well, this I very much agree with. But I think this is exactly what they're doing. Sometimes, though, they make enquiries and approaches for players that are probably (or most likely) beyond our transfer and wage budget. Players like Sanchez for instance. Perhaps they should stop doing that in order to be more transparent with the supporters, but I personally don't see the problem with at least trying.

But yeah, I do agree with what you're writing in this post, and this is what I wanna see too. I just believe it's what they're currently doing.
Therefore these links with Isco, Lavezzi and Pastore should not exist and instead focus on Cerci and Candreva. In the end the Pereyra transfer makes sense.
 

Vlad

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May 23, 2011
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Well, this I very much agree with. But I think this is exactly what they're doing. Sometimes, though, they make enquiries and approaches for players that are probably (or most likely) beyond our transfer and wage budget. Players like Sanchez for instance. Perhaps they should stop doing that in order to be more transparent with the supporters, but I personally don't see the problem with at least trying.

But yeah, I do agree with what you're writing in this post, and this is what I wanna see too. I just believe it's what they're currently doing.
:tup:

But if people want to believe to the media that we're chasing some player for a few months and wasting time like that, they have only themselves to blame.

We make inquiries and pretty much move on if demands are out of our price range. Only need to look at the fees that were payed for some of our alleged targets to realize this. Therefore it is always funny when they mention Aguero and how Marotta failed to close the deal. :lol:
 

Cronios

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Jun 7, 2004
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Putting it in short: Our management won't take us any further. Especially not with Allegri. Time for a change.
Yes, if that wasnt certain after they have sent away DD and hiring all those clowns.
It is now certain that this management has no intention to get us any further
They hit the jackpot with Conte and instead of supporting him and take the maximum of that golden opportunity that comes once every 50 years,
they refused to make the next step and preffered mediocrity.
However, there is nothing one can do about it, they feel that they can milk the Juvents brand, they only need to keep the peasants deluded...
I am glad about the protests for Allegri and that now Andrea will directly get the blame, but we are going to need more than that...
 

Jem83

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Yes, if that wasnt certain after they have sent away DD and hiring all those clowns.
It is now certain that this management has no intention to get us any further
Dude, neither Agnelli nor Marotta, Paratici and Nedved were part of the Juve board at the time. Are you high? :D
 
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