Where to start…..
Firstly, I have not jus walked away from the thread as some would suggest.
As stated in several other threads, I am away from home at the mo and as such it is not always easy to post.
Im jus gonna run through a few posts in this thread…. And as long as the replies are a discussion not childish rubbish I will answer any questions / criticisms ASAP
Thank you!!
No offence to you baggio fans.... but dont you think its time he retired before he tarnishes his good name and becomes no more than a faded hanger on!!
This season he has been crap and the signs of aging are there for all to see now!!
Wouldnt you rather see him retire now than carrying on endlessly under performing and embarassing his name!!
My Original post…. What exactly is insulting about this??
I start off making the idea of the post clear , by stating no offence.
Maybe I made an error in the use of the word crap, as gaining correct context is not always obvious to someone whos first language is not English… for that I apologise!!
The word crap is whats known as ‘base’…. Eg . Its non – descript , open to interpretation depending on the context for which its used…. Crap can be used in many ways varying from cool through poor to damn to complete rubbish!!
In this context it was meant as in poor (for him) or below expectations… not rubbish or any insulting term…. Obviously an error in judgement by me, as some got that and some did not!!
I will come back to my reasons for my opinion later!!
The whole point of this was that I find it very disappointing when some of the worlds greatest sports people hang on way past the sell buy date… and often sully there reputations, finally retiring with the fresh memories being one of a has been not the great sports star they should and deserve to be remembered for…..
This was in no way insulting, or at any point did I question the great things he has done in the past…
Respaul if you do not know waht's going on in the Italian championschip do not speak plaese! Baggio never been rated under 6,5 this season , and last match vs Reggina he was rated 7/7,5 from every newspaper and he was in the best 11 of the week! He's not in his best shape but he still good and skillfull.
So the italian fans favorite, the one who was voted last week the most loved player in Italy has to quit playing cause he was not amazing (but still rated 6) in a singole match. That's ilarious!
All others Brescia good players (Bachini, Appiah and Toni) are out, he has 2 good balls to play when others attakkers has 20 so he can't be criticated... Look at Inzaghi (4 example) in Milan he scores 2 goals a match and in the National team he does nothing, cause the NT others players sucks and in Milan he has Rivaldo, Rui Costa, ecc... to support him, and Brescia in this moment is way more awful then the NT! How can you be critic with a foward if the team has problems, just try to defend him self and he do not recive balls to play?
Who is critic with Baggio just do not understand nothing (ABSOLUTELY NOTHING) of football!!!
Roby had a very bad knee surgery (something like the 4 or 5 in his career) and he did not recovered 100%, that's true but remember that players like Salas and Chiesa were out one year 4 injures like this and that Del Piero was justified for 4 years for just 1 injure!
Anycase Brescia is now in a critic situation 4 others players injurs, Baggio is doing very well but that's not enought to avoid the defens mistake and Tare ridicolous mistakes on his perfect assists!
He can do miracles when he has the ball but he still have to learn to do them avoiding others players mistakes and injures
This response , although heartfelt , I find insulting and childish… If you had wanted to discuss it you would have questioned me instead, you decide to attempt to ridicule and insult me……
To tell me I don’t know what im talking about and tell me not to speak on an open forum is rude and insulting….
I admire you for your passion , but you say I don’t want to have a discussion yet you come at me with posts like that…. If it could be a calm debate I would love to have this discussion with you but it never seems to be…. Maybe its jus the language barrier again and I / we misunderstand each other…. Who knows…. But I assure you no offence was intended and I at no point will tell you to be quiet or , your ridiculous or to shut up, as vlong as the discussion is clean!!
I apologise for what some may see as a harsh response to your pm, but I see the pm as your own private sanctuary, where you speak to people on a more friendly (or sometimes not) , but not somewhere to be ridiculed or insulted….. Im sorry for the post but I feel you deserved it!!
RESPAUL WHAT DO YOU WANT??? THE MESSAGE IS THE SAME I PUT IN THE TRADE!!! ARE YOU CRAZY OR WHAT??? IF YOU WANT TO SAY BULLSHIT ABOUT JUVENTUS PLAIER OR EX PLAYER AND YOU DON'T WANT NOBODY TO REPLAY THAT'S NOT THE RIGHT FORUM GO TO
WWW.ANTIJUVE.COM THERE THEY SPEAK ABOUT OF ALL THIS STUPID INVENTED THINGS AND EVERYBODY ARE AGREE!
DON'T YOU SEE THAT YOU ARE THE CHILDISCH ONE?
This appears jus as insulting as anything ive posted… though I admit I personally do not understand every word of it….. but do find it somewhat 2 faced that my post is deleted but this is allowed to be posted all over the board.
As I said the initial post was not an insult , jus misunderstood!!
If you knew me you would know I am more than happy to have a discussion and personally have no real interest in people that agree!!
I tryied but did you see the result?
It is so unapropiate when those peaple come across to say bullschit (totaly invented) about players and insulting the forum members... it is a pity in a friendly forum like this... To discuss is ok I discussed with others but this guy is so rude...
Are you the moderator of this trade? Can you delay his rude and crazy posts or I have to report them to Nekton?
I explained the reason for the insult earlier…. You should also be willing to admit your response was also not friendly!!
How is my opinion that baggio is poor at this time invented… it is an opinion , and at that one that many I have spoken too agree with.
Or am I not allowed opinions that are not pro baggio..
if its wat he thinks... good for him, he does not know the true meaning of soccera dn how it is played.. say as much as u want, NOTHING can change wat Baggio has done....
Again, you have no right to say I know nothing of football cause I disagree with you…. We all have very different opinions, and I would say the majority of people here have a reasonable understanding of football.
As I pointed out earlier I never questioned baggios past achievement jus his current play.
Peaple like this just do not understand that saying that Baggio (voted the 4 of soccer history) is crap mean just embarassing themself
Maybe reaspaul never saw a match or maybe he just wanted us to laught so laud all day long
Again, where did I question baggios place in football history… I did not!!.... jus purely a question about whether its time for him to call it a day!!
Due to my neighbour being a diehard baggio fan, I have to tape every brescia game for him and as such have unfortunately (I say that as they are an appaling team this term) ended up watching every game so far this season.
Now from my viewpoint (and that of the people watching with me) baggio has been well below par this season.
Now fair enough, hes jus recovering etc… but that’s not what im talking about!!
Yes the skills are still there, but what I see when he plays now, for the first time is signs that baggio is old!!
Hes sluggish, hes having to stretch much more, passes he used to throw without even thinking about are going astray, he struggles to turn his man, often having to take a second look and opt for the back pass instead!!
Jus in general the normal things that happen to a skill player as they get older!!
I personally do not want to see him struggling like that and as such feel it is time he quit or at least considered taking a back seat as a sub… as many older players do!!
Paul's post was a provocation, something he does quite often. Posts something and then leaves without even explaining on what grounds they are based. If someone asks him he does not reply or says something like you're not a true football fan if you don't know what I'm talking about. Now, this is sad!
mate explained why he thinks that Baggio is stil playing well (on previous page) and sent the same reply to Paul in a PM. Paul responce was delated (I don't think I have to explain of what nature it was then).
I personally did not feel the post was a provocation… an invitation maybe!!
I refute that, I generally give my grounds… the only difference being I do not use the internet as much as many of you… I visit maybe 12 sites only … and as such I use alternative sources.
Many times I have pointed people to where info was sourced from, but unless its direct links people will never take notice….
The amount of times I have pointed people to a simple phone call… but they are unwilling to do so….. that is not my fault.
If I don’t always reply it is generally as I am often away from home… in the last 6 months I have spent jus 42 days at home, and as such I am often without access or when I do get home, I need to spend time with my daughter rather than run to the forum…. I wont apologise for that!!
As for saying people are not fans… that is generally provoked by people winding you up and asking the dumbest questions, that any supposed fan would know… or showing a distinct lack of interest, but calling themselves supporters… juve have many glory hunters as well you know!!! Unfortunately lately we give them little to shout about…
As for deleting my post… I accept that but think it unfair yopu have not removed mates follow up that is in several threads!!
Mmmm.... You know I respect opinions.... like 4 exemple I totaly respect you when you say that Baggio is a grate player but that you don't think he deserved to be voted the forth of soccer history and staff like this... I'm not agree but I think that is a normal and no-provocative opinion of someone who is not a Baggio fan nor an anti Baggio....
About respaul: he came here telling he was crap all the season and he's better quit playng... I just answored that he did not play good (but still rated 6) vs Bologna but actually he was rated 7/7,5 vs Reggina and 6,5 about all the matchs so his words are ilarious, and his better have a look to seie A before to speak. That's not offensive, is just reporting real facts... and he answered in a very rude way...
Onestly if you want to write a totaly invented bullschit how can you pretend nobody answer to you?
Anycase I don't care... saying things like this he is just embarassing him self...
P.S.: Critics, jokes, discussions and staff like that from you and from everybody who don't use to put their frustation in a forum are in anycase always welcome... but don't get pist if somebody answor you
As I said mate, my post was not meant offensively, and your reply was not clean either… asd I said a discussion would have been nice.
Again I apologise for the insult… but your pm was not right, and neither was your reply (though maybe unintentionally… I don’t know!!)
Anyway… that’s it for now!!
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