Ranieri or someone else ; Part XXVII (10 Viewers)

New coach

  • Vialli

  • Spalletti

  • Prandelli

  • Mancini

  • Grant

  • Rijkaard

  • Conte

  • Gasperini

  • Malesani

  • Someone else. Who?

  • Keep the one we have

  • Andrew Beck (manager) and Michael Burke (assistant manager)


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Osman

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Aug 30, 2002
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There are usually three aspects to whether a Coach will remain:

His relationship with the Board.

His relationship with the fans.

His relationship with the players.


Publicly, the Board back him, so lets assume he has their support (even if I'm not convinced he does).

He has lost his relatively few fans that backed still him with the teams performances over the last month.

The players, especially the senior figures, seem to have lost faith in him (if they ever had it).

It is incredibly hard for a manager to survive if he doesn't have the support of two out of the three; Ranieri has one at best.

Thus, I don't see how he can remain.


I expect Ranieri to 'resign' within a week of the season finishing. We will then appoint Spalletti or Conte.
Exactly, he has burned his last bridge in this last month IMO with those who were giving him the benifite out of doubt so far. I have gotten more and more optimistic that we will replace him, I just hope we make a sound choice with his replacement.
 

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Osman

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Seriously if it comes down to Conte or Spalletti,than Spalleti it is.He might have the decisive influence to bring some stars from Roma atleast.
Its not about getting Roma players, until Conte shows otherwise, Spalletti is a way better coach. Almost 90% of the Conte hype is on because he is a former player and that he happens to have a coach license, thats it. The remaining 10 is doing a decent job in Serie B, but he wouldnt have been linked with us if he was any decent Serie B coach.
 
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    Blog: Got lemons? Make lemonade

    As the pressure builds on Claudio Ranieri, Scott Fleming argues his case given the resources at his disposal

    Claudio Ranieri and Juventus never really seemed like the perfect fit. On the one hand there’s Ranieri, amiable and laid back, and on the other there’s Juventus, Italian football’s most successful team, a hard nosed, efficient unit with winning in their blood.

    No disrespect to Ranieri, who had just reasserted his credentials by salvaging Parma from the drop, but it seemed a little like hiring a sitcom star to play a dramatic lead. The Tinkerman had already wilted under the pressure at Chelsea.

    Nonetheless, as the Old Lady’s title dreams fade into a tussle for second place with the resurgent Milan, their last shot at silverware disappears with defeat home and away to Lazio in the Coppa Italia semi final, and the murmurs that have dogged Ranieri throughout his tenure build to a crescendo, I feel it is time to mount a defence of the man.

    This is because I genuinely believe few could have done any better with the current Juve squad. Many are deceived by the smattering of stars in the Bianconeri squad, players like Alessandro Del Piero, Gigi Buffon, Pavel Nedved and David Trezeguet.

    The reality is that this is a club, for all its pride and desire, that is still reeling from its spell in Serie B, with a squad full of players who belong there. The blame for this surely lies with the much maligned sporting director Alessio Secco.

    To suggest that Ranieri didn’t have some input into transfers would be misguided and naïve, but ultimately the buck stops with Secco. His dealings have left Juventus with a squad no better than Roma’s or Fiorentina’s, and yet they are weighed down with a much greater expectation.

    All things considered, not forgetting the mammoth injury crisis the side endured early on, what Ranieri has coaxed out of his players this season is respectable. For a squad so carelessly assembled and unbalanced to sustain a title challenge this long is impressive.

    In addition Juve were easily the most impressive of Italy’s Champions League participants, topping a tough section, beating Real Madrid home and away and pushing Chelsea to the limit. If Phil Scolari had still been in charge it most probably would have ended differently.

    The truth may be that Ranieri, as he did at Stamford Bridge, will eventually have to step aside for the club to reach a position worthy of its status. Hopefully he is remembered fondly, for injecting a bit of pride into a limited squad with the weight of the world on their shoulders.

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    Byrone

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    Its not about getting Roma players, until Conte shows otherwise, Spalletti is a way better coach. Almost 90% of the Conte hype is on because he is a former player and that he happens to have a coach license, thats it. The remaining 10 is doing a decent job in Serie B, but he wouldnt have been linked with us if he was any decent Serie B coach.
    Make no mistake about what im saying,i certainly hold Spalletti in higher regard to Conte & i honestly dont think he's ready for the kind of pressure of coaching a team of Juve's stature as yet.Its merely a statement that Spalletti is a more established figure & bringing in new reinforcements will certainly look his credentials in a more respectful manner than Conte.
     

    Osman

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    Indeed, I agree, and not saying you do, but few knee-jerkers around here seem to consider Conte seriously. He should be a last resort, nothing else.
     

    Ramin

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    Make no mistake about what im saying,i certainly hold Spalletti in higher regard to Conte & i honestly dont think he's ready for the kind of pressure of coaching a team of Juve's stature as yet.Its merely a statement that Spalletti is a more established figure & bringing in new reinforcements will certainly look his credentials in a more respectful manner than Conte.
    So your saying that Spalletti can bring new reinforcements, but Conte can't?
     

    Badass J Elkann

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    Feb 12, 2006
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    Blog: Got lemons? Make lemonade

    As the pressure builds on Claudio Ranieri, Scott Fleming argues his case given the resources at his disposal

    Claudio Ranieri and Juventus never really seemed like the perfect fit. On the one hand there’s Ranieri, amiable and laid back, and on the other there’s Juventus, Italian football’s most successful team, a hard nosed, efficient unit with winning in their blood.

    No disrespect to Ranieri, who had just reasserted his credentials by salvaging Parma from the drop, but it seemed a little like hiring a sitcom star to play a dramatic lead. The Tinkerman had already wilted under the pressure at Chelsea.

    Nonetheless, as the Old Lady’s title dreams fade into a tussle for second place with the resurgent Milan, their last shot at silverware disappears with defeat home and away to Lazio in the Coppa Italia semi final, and the murmurs that have dogged Ranieri throughout his tenure build to a crescendo, I feel it is time to mount a defence of the man.

    This is because I genuinely believe few could have done any better with the current Juve squad. Many are deceived by the smattering of stars in the Bianconeri squad, players like Alessandro Del Piero, Gigi Buffon, Pavel Nedved and David Trezeguet.

    The reality is that this is a club, for all its pride and desire, that is still reeling from its spell in Serie B, with a squad full of players who belong there. The blame for this surely lies with the much maligned sporting director Alessio Secco.

    To suggest that Ranieri didn’t have some input into transfers would be misguided and naïve, but ultimately the buck stops with Secco. His dealings have left Juventus with a squad no better than Roma’s or Fiorentina’s, and yet they are weighed down with a much greater expectation.

    All things considered, not forgetting the mammoth injury crisis the side endured early on, what Ranieri has coaxed out of his players this season is respectable. For a squad so carelessly assembled and unbalanced to sustain a title challenge this long is impressive.

    In addition Juve were easily the most impressive of Italy’s Champions League participants, topping a tough section, beating Real Madrid home and away and pushing Chelsea to the limit. If Phil Scolari had still been in charge it most probably would have ended differently.

    The truth may be that Ranieri, as he did at Stamford Bridge, will eventually have to step aside for the club to reach a position worthy of its status. Hopefully he is remembered fondly, for injecting a bit of pride into a limited squad with the weight of the world on their shoulders.

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    what utter rubbish, infact we were doing better during the injury crisis than we are now
     

    Badass J Elkann

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    Indeed, I agree, and not saying you do, but few knee-jerkers around here seem to consider Conte seriously. He should be a last resort, nothing else.
    perhaps its because we need a manager that understands the pressures of juve, like conte and gasperini, and for somebody like conte he commands the respect of the Juve players, more so than ive seen roma under spalletti
     

    Byrone

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    Indeed, I agree, and not saying you do, but few knee-jerkers around here seem to consider Conte seriously. He should be a last resort, nothing else.
    Exactly,if anything he should be an assistant coach if they really are considering him in the future but he'd never accept that role.

    So your saying that Spalletti can bring new reinforcements, but Conte can't?
    Thats your interpretation of it, so run with it.Conte fanboy.:D
     

    Amaurisimo

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    Dec 8, 2007
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    Spalletti wouldn't be my first pick but I do think that he'd do a better job than Ranieri.His defensive game is pretty weak but he can do better with our players.It's not like Roma's defense is made of iron compared to ours...it's the same pretty much.Riise is not so good while they had problems with Mexes' and Juan's injuries this season.Playing Panucci or Loria there is just a pain in the ass as they are 10 times worse than Legro and Mellberg.

    On the other side, he's pretty good with players and many players really like him.He made a positive atmosphere in Udine and he did the same in Rome and his attacking tactics are pretty good.

    I'd take him over Conte.
    i am not on Ranieri side, but CR was giving regular lessons about football to ur man for the last 2 years.please check it..

    Another name please
     
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    i am not on Ranieri side, but CR was giving regular lessons about football to ur man for the last 2 years.please check it..

    Another name please
    Your man?I was just trying to say something, no need to be that rude man.

    It might be because of our tactics but our team is much stronger than Roma's.
     
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    Dule u r my soft side, so i will never be rude to you..

    I was just asking that's all..and our team is not than much stronger..
    It was an arrogant response to my post.

    Their full backs are just a joke (Motta is great but he came recently) while it was either Juan or Mexes who missed many matches this season so they had either Loria or Panucci who took their place and they are like the worst thing you can have in your defense.
    De Rossi was in off-form while Aquilani was always injured so there was limited Brighi, slow Baptista, awful Perotta and one of the worst midfilders in Serie A, Taddei.Totti missed a lot while Vucinic was pretty decent.

    Out of that their bench is made of at least 4 Primavera players.Their team is made of average players with a few good ones right now.It's not the old Roma.

    So yes, I think we are much stronger.
     
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