Rafa Benitez - Coach - Pool (27 Viewers)

[Dzeko09]

carboni will make secco look like the new moggi.

Thanfully were not linked with him.

Marino links today by the way.

 

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[Alen]

I wonder if the opinions here will change if he ends up winning Europa League this year.
That will make it 4 European finals in 8 European seasons.

But some are so shortsighted that nothing will satisfy them and they'll keep looking for silly excuses and reasons why not to appoint Benitez.

 

[Dzeko09]

I wonder if the opinions here will change if he ends up winning Europa League this year.
That will make it 4 European finals in 8 European seasons.

But some are so shortsighted that nothing will satisfy them and they'll keep looking for silly excuses and reasons why not to appoint Benitez.

I think the issue is his transfer, but enough people during this thread have explained the transfer situtation. Granted Liverpool are not having the best season but they may win the Europa League as you said and it's another trophy on Benitez's C.V.

 

[JuveJay]

I wonder if the opinions here will change if he ends up winning Europa League this year.
That will make it 4 European finals in 8 European seasons.

But some are so shortsighted that nothing will satisfy them and they'll keep looking for silly excuses and reasons why not to appoint Benitez.

Maybe something silly like 1 serious title challenge in 6 years, Juve need to be more than a cup team, I don't think Benitez can guarantee you that although I am not directly opposed to his appointment as such. Mostly down to the dross we have had recently.

 

[Alen]

In Italy he won't have a huge say on the transfers anyway. If the directors (however they are in the future) want to buy a player, they will buy him. And his transfers are far from being as bad as the anti-Benitez army is presenting them to be.

 

[Dzeko09]

In Italy he won't have a huge say on the transfers anyway. If the directors (however they are in the future) want to buy a player, they will buy him. And his transfers are far from being as bad as the anti-Benitez army is presenting them to be.

You and I both know that.

However some people can be biased.

 

[Jasp]

But if he gets his guy a director of sports he might get a bigger say than we would like....

 

[Alen]

Maybe something silly like 1 serious title challenge in 6 years, Juve need to be more than a cup team, I don't think Benitez can guarantee you that although I am not directly opposed to his appointment as such. Mostly down to the dross we have had recently.

And 2 La Liga trophies with Valencia before joining Liverpool, may I add. So the theory that he's not a championship coach, good in long championships that require consistency doesn't really hold water.
He just couldn't fight against a billions-spending Chelsea and Ferguson's Manchester.
My personal opinion is that most, if not all, the other coaches would have struggled just as much to beat Chelsea and Manchester in EPL if they were coaching Liverpool.

Kinda like Inter in the 17 years before Calciopoli. Milan, Inter and Juve changed many coaches in these years. Milan's and Juve's coaches were winning while Inter's coaches (big names included) weren't winning. And some of these coaches were coaching both Inter and Juve/Milan, winning with the latter and not winning with Inter.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

In Italy he won't have a huge say on the transfers anyway. If the directors (however they are in the future) want to buy a player, they will buy him. And his transfers are far from being as bad as the anti-Benitez army is presenting them to be.

that is exactly why the news of carboni being linked with secco's job scares me even more, the guy is just as inexperienced as secco and is now working for some small belgian club

 

[JCK]

I wonder if the opinions here will change if he ends up winning Europa League this year.
That will make it 4 European finals in 8 European seasons.

But some are so shortsighted that nothing will satisfy them and they'll keep looking for silly excuses and reasons why not to appoint Benitez.

What a fool you are for not seeing how Prandelli's achievements with Fiorentina are much much better than Rafa's.

 

[Buck Fuddy]

that is exactly why the news of carboni being linked with secco's job scares me even more, the guy is just as inexperienced as secco and is now working for some small belgian club

That club as such doesn't exist any longer. They started the season, but midway through their license was revoked due to financial problems.

 

[Mohad]

And 2 La Liga trophies with Valencia before joining Liverpool, may I add. So the theory that he's not a championship coach, good in long championships that require consistency doesn't really hold water.

Valencia had made it to the CL final a year before Benitez arrived, and he had the same core team.

He is great if you have a strong team. His record with integrating transfers and developing young players is miserable. And that's what Juve needs right now, our team is not Scudetto worthy.

 

[Badass J Elkann]

That club as such doesn't exist any longer. They started the season, but midway through their license was revoked due to financial problems.

carboni working his magic again?

 

[Lo-Pan]

You and I both know that.

However some people can be biased.

I dont think you have been following the premiership. Liverpool specifically. Benitez has spent
Between 2004 and Jan 2010
£229M spent
£120M made
His champions league victory and ONE decent challenge for domestic glory in 6 years has cost liverpool a mere 109m sterlings.

Whether his champions league, with far from a glorious liverpool side was lucky, as I suggest, or not, is besides the point.

My point is this...

would any of you be happy with him spending, a net figure, after sales are taken into account, of 109m sterlings, and having one champions league title and one half decent challenge for the scudetto, to show for it???

That isn't my normal personal angst shining through...its logic. Factual....

From the above FACTS alone, can you seriously not see why he is not at all regarded, in ENGLAND, where he has worked for the last 6 years, as one of the most valuable coaches...

the ONLY possible reason why we could even get him, is that the owners of liverpool are businessman, who want to win, not lose...so what the fuck does that say about john elkann's business acumen???

 

[Momme]

So, traditional English 4-4-2 direct football with crosses is the football you like?

Sort of, but I would like the Italian version of it, the version that we used to perform to perfection. Direct play, a clearly gameplan, fight, movement. 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 - as wingers is what matters. Crosses from the defence or midfield is not what I want, as we saw a lot of, under Capello. The way Bayern is playing, but with better technical players, is what I like.

 

[Jasp]

The three managers records since 2004....

Alex Ferguson IN (19) £159.10m OUT (62) £128.50m Avg -5m
Rafael Benitez IN (49) £210.50m OUT (80) £125.28m avg-14,1
Arsene Wenger IN (34) £ 99.25m OUT (62) £108.20m Avg 1

I will now manipulate a little bit and take 2009 away from man u. Ass the ronaldo transfer completely blurrs everything. If you do that(and also their purchases in 2009) then man u have on avg spent -15,8.

For me the key issues are here:

- At what point did Liverpool have a team goood enough for the championship ?
- Man utd have spent the same amount, but started from a better place
- The team he took over from Houllier was horrible.
- Abramovich

I have highlighted his biggest problem. Namely the freakin 49 transfers in 6 years. Cut that in half with the same budget, fill in with youth if you need. That is my biggest concern. That is what we should make sure not happen in juve.

 

[Ken]

Competing in the EPL with a team like Liverpool is, or should be, a harder thing to do than compete in Serie A with Juventus. Especially, like you said Jasp, with people like Abramovich taking over the competition and United simply the better team.

Do people believe other coaches would've done a much better job at Liverpool domestically? It's not always just the manager's fault..

 

[Buck Fuddy]

carboni working his magic again?

Nah, I don't think he had a lot to do with that, even though his arrival was very fishy to say the least.

This club (Ecxelsior Moucron) had been having financial problems for many years now. In the previous seasons, they always managed to work things out in the end, thus receiving their license.

The past season however turned out to be different. Their financial problems became worse every month & they should have never been given a license to start this season, yet they were awarded one, under strict conditions. Those strict conditions weren't met, so the license was revoked.

Everyone saw it coming for a long time. Yet, much to my surprise, in the summer a bunch of well known people (including Carboni) arrived at the club. Always seemed fishy to me why guys such as him would go to a foreign club that is in deep shit. Especially since there was pretty much no hope at all for new investments. I still can't figure out the reasons behind their arrival.

 

[Alen]

And the talk about being simply lucky to win in 2005 is completely nullified with the fact that he made the final in 2007 and the semifinal in 2008.
You simply can't be so lucky to make the CL semifinals 3 times in 4 years.

Only if his name was Rafaelle Benitti. People here would have talked differently about him.

 

[Juve_Kosova]

4-2-3-1 is the way, as its so easy to transform it to a 4-4-1-1 or 4-3-2-1 and to win in modern football, you need that!.

I'd love to see something like this..

Buffon
RB - Kjær - Chiellini - Criscito
Melo - Machisio
Giovinco - Diego - Silva
Torres​

Silva - Gio can switch. Or maybe Gio just aint good enough.