Wht a daft thing to say, Serie A needs to stop bleeding talents to France ffs.
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That talk has brought us nowhere, instead it has even started to have a negative effect on us. How was it different when Milan and Inter had players like Kaka, Sheva, Ronaldo yet we still kicked their asses? We need to start realizing that Milan and Inter being shit has a big effect on our own business as well.
What kind of retarded theory is this?
How exactly would a very strong Milan help us go further in Europe, are they going to loan us their players or how?
Milan won the CHL when we were in B, Inter won it when we were struggling in 7th place.
What kind of retarded theory is this?
How exactly would a very strong Milan help us go further in Europe, are they going to loan us their players or how?
Milan won the CHL when we were in B, Inter won it when we were struggling in 7th place.
Just to set the record straight, I'm not in the Suns camp on this one. I just think it's stupid that people wish that the upcommers in the Serie A are traded out of the league, I'd rather see them in the bigger Italian clubs. By all means, Inter and Milan in a relegation battle is a very noble aspiration, but I'd just prefer them to have the relegation battle in a league which is attractive for the players we want to sign.
It doesn't really work that way
Look at it from an actual players angle
Scenario A.
Juventus want to buy you, they offer you almost guaranteed silverware and a decent wage + European football.
Milan and Inter are struggling in mid-table. Their players are leaving and they are a mess.
Scenario B
Juventus want to buy you, they offer you a somewhat decent shot at silverware and a decent wage + European football.
Milan and Inter are equals with Juventus. They are in with a good chance of competing for the title
So, how on earth does Scenario B entice a player to come to Juve whilst at the same time 'Scenario A' does not?
This whole 'More competitive league means more attractive league' concept is B.S
What actually makes sense is a league like the BPL gives clubs a fantastic opportunity at earning loads of money due to vastly superior T.V contracts and all that. Each of the top clubs can afford some top class players and it eventually leads to a league where plenty of teams have real talent in their ranks and THEN it becomes an attractive league.
2 or 3 Serie A clubs competing with Juventus and making our lives more difficult doesn't help us at all. Sure, it's better from a NEUTRALS point of view. But neutrals aren't the ones buying Juve season tickets or merchandise.
It's just one big myth.
Look at it from an actual players angle
Scenario A.
Juventus want to buy you, they offer you almost guaranteed silverware and a decent wage + European football.
Milan and Inter are struggling in mid-table. Their players are leaving and they are a mess.
Scenario B
Juventus want to buy you, they offer you a somewhat decent shot at silverware and a decent wage + European football.
Milan and Inter are equals with Juventus. They are in with a good chance of competing for the title
So, how on earth does Scenario B entice a player to come to Juve whilst at the same time 'Scenario A' does not?
This whole 'More competitive league means more attractive league' concept is B.S
What actually makes sense is a league like the BPL gives clubs a fantastic opportunity at earning loads of money due to vastly superior T.V contracts and all that. Each of the top clubs can afford some top class players and it eventually leads to a league where plenty of teams have real talent in their ranks and THEN it becomes an attractive league.
2 or 3 Serie A clubs competing with Juventus and making our lives more difficult doesn't help us at all. Sure, it's better from a NEUTRALS point of view. But neutrals aren't the ones buying Juve season tickets or merchandise.
It's just one big myth.
I don't care for the rest of Serie A teams and usually wish them the worst whenever they play in CHL, but I understand you both and agree that a stronger league is better for all, as long as we are the strongest. Milan and Inter are a different case, though.
But then on the other hand you have Bayern, who are in a league full of meh teams apart of Dortmund. But that doesn't stop them being the strongest team in the world and attract top players.
But then on the other hand you have Bayern, who are in a league full of meh teams apart of Dortmund. But that doesn't stop them being the strongest team in the world and attract top players.
Yeah, because a shittier Serie A means more attractive, sure, makes sense. Now go tell that to players who have offers from other top clubs.
If you listen to what Marotta and Agnelli say they've plenty of times said that they can't offer players more than 5-6m in wages which in todays market is nothing when competing for the top players. So just right there your scenario doesn't hold up.
And the average fan maybe isn't buying Juve merchendise but that is not where the money comes from. The big money comes from sponsors and TV revenue(especially from a global perspective) and if your product is a shitty one the money will be less. That is honestly not a very difficult concept to grasp.
Let me make this as easy as I can for you. Milan and Inter being better = Serie A more attractive = stars see Serie A as a proper destination again = new and old fans return = more interest = more money from sponsors, tv etc etc = $$$$$ = YAY for Juventus
At the end of the day, I don't care for Milan or Inter, I like my team more than I hate them. I don't see them as a different threat than any other team. But I do believe that they play a big part in a much more successful and attractive Juventus.
If you listen to what Marotta and Agnelli say they've plenty of times said that they can't offer players more than 5-6m in wages which in todays market is nothing when competing for the top players. So just right there your scenario doesn't hold up.
And the average fan maybe isn't buying Juve merchendise but that is not where the money comes from. The big money comes from sponsors and TV revenue(especially from a global perspective) and if your product is a shitty one the money will be less. That is honestly not a very difficult concept to grasp.
Let me make this as easy as I can for you. Milan and Inter being better = Serie A more attractive = stars see Serie A as a proper destination again = new and old fans return = more interest = more money from sponsors, tv etc etc = $$$$$ = YAY for Juventus
At the end of the day, I don't care for Milan or Inter, I like my team more than I hate them. I don't see them as a different threat than any other team. But I do believe that they play a big part in a much more successful and attractive Juventus.
It's true that it would make the league more attractive to foreign players but our current situation more or less makes us more attractive to all Italian players and all foreign talent currently in Serie A.
We're trending towards Bayern territory where everyone in your league aspires to play for your club. That is much more favourable to us IMO because it's not like Serie A will cease to produce some players. Serie A will always have some decent players coming up through the ranks that we can snatch up.
If we can ever manage to develop a strangle hold on Serie A and just keep winning and winning, eventually we can build a big enough brand and prestige to generate impressive revenues. From there, we can buy foreign players as well.
Bayern model. They buy Mandzukic, Dante, Pizarro, Gustavo, Neuer, Klose, Podolski, Van Buyten, etc for modest figures domestically then they can splash on foreign transfers.
But the key is the youth sector. When you are the team every young player aspires to play on then you can build a stable of youngsters much easier. I don't want to compete with Milan or Inter on foreign signings but I definitely do not want to compete for any talented youngsters.
Young kids always cheer for the best teams. It's an ambitious goal, but if we can dominate Serie A to an extent that Milan and Inter become increasingly irrelevant, we can be seen as the only worth while attraction to young players, just like Bayern.
Then even when they are born and bread from our biggest competition, like Dortmund, there is still nothing stopping us from taking them (Gotze, Lewandowski).
We're trending towards Bayern territory where everyone in your league aspires to play for your club. That is much more favourable to us IMO because it's not like Serie A will cease to produce some players. Serie A will always have some decent players coming up through the ranks that we can snatch up.
If we can ever manage to develop a strangle hold on Serie A and just keep winning and winning, eventually we can build a big enough brand and prestige to generate impressive revenues. From there, we can buy foreign players as well.
Bayern model. They buy Mandzukic, Dante, Pizarro, Gustavo, Neuer, Klose, Podolski, Van Buyten, etc for modest figures domestically then they can splash on foreign transfers.
But the key is the youth sector. When you are the team every young player aspires to play on then you can build a stable of youngsters much easier. I don't want to compete with Milan or Inter on foreign signings but I definitely do not want to compete for any talented youngsters.
Young kids always cheer for the best teams. It's an ambitious goal, but if we can dominate Serie A to an extent that Milan and Inter become increasingly irrelevant, we can be seen as the only worth while attraction to young players, just like Bayern.
Then even when they are born and bread from our biggest competition, like Dortmund, there is still nothing stopping us from taking them (Gotze, Lewandowski).
I'm clearly not saying that an overall more competitive league such as the Prem wouldn't be good for us.
But the idea that a much stronger AC or Inter or any other 1 team for that matter would help us is wrong
The whole league from top to bottom would need to improve for these scenarios to take place. Not just one more Scduetto rival.
But the idea that a much stronger AC or Inter or any other 1 team for that matter would help us is wrong
The whole league from top to bottom would need to improve for these scenarios to take place. Not just one more Scduetto rival.
Great post. I'd also say more competition means that Juventus will strive to improve their game and up their level.
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