Gary Neville said something interesting on the lines of every manager post Ferguson, gets pushed out by the players. It's always reports of dressing room issues, players wanting to leave, not liking training, not familiar with tactics etc. Mourinho and Van Gaal had huge experience but we're pushed out the same way, Mourinho even won them their last trophy. Its the problem of elevating the players above the manager more than the managers being bad. The Liverpool game showed how low the player standards are and how bad the attitude in that team. They need total revolution at every level.