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Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,513
It was also Autocratic or have you forgotten that? The Communist Yugoslavia is not something to be admired, in the same way that the Soviet Union is not to be admired. As for the break-up of the Yugoslavia, the people in Croatia,Serbia,Bosnia,Macedonia etc. have a right to Self-Determination. They voted for it and believe me we admire your countries more now than we ever did when they were Yugoslavia.



Relying on your brain alone is probably the most one-sided thing you can do.
I was very young when Yugoslavia dissapeared, but sill my parents and every other sane persone will tell you that we lived in paradise and everyone admired us.
 

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Bisco

Senior Member
Nov 21, 2005
14,418
you say that like it's a surprise

no not at all, i was just trying to break it down to irishzebra.
It was also Autocratic or have you forgotten that? The Communist Yugoslavia is not something to be admired, in the same way that the Soviet Union is not to be admired. As for the break-up of the Yugoslavia, the people in Croatia,Serbia,Bosnia,Macedonia etc. have a right to Self-Determination. They voted for it and believe me we admire your countries more now than we ever did when they were Yugoslavia.



Relying on your brain alone is probably the most one-sided thing you can do.
how did u reach that conclusion irishzebra?? i mean just cos they were a communist nation does'nt necessarily mean they r evil or nothing special. as a communist nation it had it flaws no doubt but that does'nt make it any less of a country.


ok as for the second bolded part, how would u feel if one day u woke up and found out that a city or two ( for example cork i noticed u referred to it when u were discussing the disqualification of ireland from the wc0 in ireland decide to break up from ireland and form a new state whould u be pro that or would u object. after all if they do "have a right to Self-Determination??

if things worked with yr logic then a lot of nations face the same scenerio as the one that occured in yugoslavia. countries like iraq, syria, turkey, sudan, etc are all in the same boat.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,513
I don't know about Albanian minority, but I know that few years before war Kosovo and Vojvodina got bigger autonomy which was something they wanted, especially at Kosovo.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,513
Right well that settles it,

you are completely insane, good day to you sir.
how did u reach that conclusion irishzebra?? i mean just cos they were a communist nation does'nt necessarily mean they r evil or nothing special. as a communist nation it had it flaws no doubt but that does'nt make it any less of a country.
I love how movies educated people that in communism everything is bad, they torture you on every corner of that country, people there are piss poor and dumb etc.

Still my opinion is that Yugoslavia was more about socialism than communism...
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
no not at all, i was just trying to break it down to irishzebra.
An invalid argument is invalid no matter how simple you make it.

how did u reach that conclusion irishzebra?? i mean just cos they were a communist nation does'nt necessarily mean they r evil or nothing special. as a communist nation it had it flaws no doubt but that does'nt make it any less of a country.


ok as for the second bolded part, how would u feel if one day u woke up and found out that a city or two ( for example cork i noticed u referred to it when u were discussing the disqualification of ireland from the wc0 in ireland decide to break up from ireland and form a new state whould u be pro that or would u object. after all if they do "have a right to Self-Determination??

if things worked with yr logic then a lot of nations face the same scenerio as the one that occured in yugoslavia. countries like iraq, syria, turkey, sudan, etc are all in the same boat.

The fact that the entire media and governmental control of the country that your parents grew up in was under Marshall Tito begs to differ. Any information from an Autocratic regime about quality of live within it is Bullshit, it always has been. And I'm sure you remember that Yugoslavia had to implement IMF conditions and came damn near to total finnacial destruction in 1990-1991. I believe over 1 Million workers were laid off.

If Cork itself wanted to cecede i would be fucking thrilled, it would actually be the happiest moment of my life. There is not legal definition of 'Peoples' in formal international law but customarily it is people who have ties of mutual affection or sentiment that unanimously desire independence. all those people you mentioned i.e. the Kurds Sudanes minorites w/e deserve their own homelands if this condition is met.
 

IrishZebra

Western Imperialist
Jun 18, 2006
23,327
I love how movies educated people that in communism everything is bad, they torture you on every corner of that country, people there are piss poor and dumb etc.

Still my opinion is that Yugoslavia was more about socialism than communism...
We know Marshall Tito was a socialist but he used coercion to hold together Yugoslavia which was a patch-work of seperate peoples, much liek Russia today.

His autocratic regime was indeed brutal, as all are. You don't sacrifice Liberty for Comfort.
 

Oggy

and the Cockroaches
Dec 27, 2005
7,513
We know Marshall Tito was a socialist but he used coercion to hold together Yugoslavia which was a patch-work of seperate peoples, much liek Russia today.

His autocratic regime was indeed brutal, as all are. You don't sacrifice Liberty for Comfort.
As I said I was too young to remember, but I would have to disagree with you. Ofcourse Tito wasn't saint and had some "brutal" methods but coercion he used I think was mostly aimed at radicals, and trust me whole history of Balkan is about radical movements. Under Tito's guidance extremist didn't had a chance, but after he died everything went downfall.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
Tito wasn't saint and had some "brutal" methods but coercion he used I think was mostly aimed at radicals
And what does define a radical in this case? Anyone that isnt to the dictators liking? You see the fallacy of that dont you?
 

Suns

Release clause?
May 22, 2009
22,086
Me and 4 million other Swedes got the vaccine for the Swine flue and we feel fine. Stop worrying so much.
 

Osman

Koul Khara!
Aug 30, 2002
61,499
and you're assuming all dictators are evil creatures with bad motives, not defendng tito and of course yugo wasnt a paradise, but both assumptions are wrong.
I'm not, I'm highlighting the general danger of letting one sole individual in power define whatever and whoever to his choosing. Power corrupts, and its easily turns from good intentions to labeling any minor dissent to being a radical that threatens society and needs to be disposed of.
 

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