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Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
Stop denying it. It is what we are sadly. Just gotta live with it.
What is 'a seller team' ?

Is Madrid a seller team cause it sold Morata ? Is Barcelona a seller team cause it sold Neymar ? Is juventus not a seller team cause it rejected a 160mil offer for Dybala ?


Marotta builds a solid core, and exchanges players around it. What is defined as 'core' may change. He always makes sure that we have our core, but can exchange any player outside it, and we never weaken. Certain area's might regress a bit, others improve, the result is status quo or slight improvement.

Marotta uses this in a specific way. Sell players, can be anyone, to replace with others. He consistantly refreshes the team in this way.

1) 2010/2011 -> 2014/2015 : The big team was build. Only sales of inferior players.

2) 2015/2016
Base : Central axis (BBC + Marchisio & Pogba)
Out : Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez
IN : Dybala, Khedira, Mandzukic, Sandro, Cuadrado

Before : 3-5-2 / 442 : Very hard working formation with limited creativity and poor wings
After : 3-5-2 : The idea was to vastly improve the wings, with Sandro and Cuadrado, Mandzukic as the main focal point and Dybala to replace tevez. Midfield lost 2 players, but got Khedira. Pogba was about to explode, Marchisio was improving. The central axis regressed but our wings were significantly better
Conclusion : changed from a full centeral to a wing and center team. Team ended up having more potential than the previous one, unlucky in Munich

3) 2016/2017
Base : Central axis (BBC + Dybala)
OUT : Pogba & Morata
IN : Pjanic, Higuain, Alves

Before : Allrounded 3-5-2
After : textbook 4-2-3-1 : Idea was to sell Pogba, but replace by Pjanic to change the style and limit the further central regression. Adding a worldclass centreforward, and a proven worldclass rightback. Team ended up in a fantastic 4-2-3-1 formation that steamrolled to the final's end, untill the lack of depth caused it to run out of said steam


4) 2017/2018
Base : Central axis (bc - Pjanic - Dybala - Higuain with trustworthy left side and issuefull right side
OUT : Alves, Bonucci
IN : Costa, Bernadeschi, Matuidi,

Before : Insane 4-2-3-1 with absolutely no depth and inconsistant RW
After : 4-2-3-1 / 433(f9) with midfield and offensive depth. For the first time we sold two players we didnt planned to. Bonucci and alves were shipped out. Big talent Rugani is ready to take over and Howedes was bought as the experienced backup. While RB is a major concern, we fixed the previous weaknesses of the formation and can now play two different formations with depth for both. Potentially incredibly talent increase offensively



Before Bonucci and Alves, we sold and changed the team to fix previous issues while compensating for what we sold. We will continue to do so. I could see us sell Sandro next year to get two high class fullbacks for each side for example.



We are not in the situation financially where we keep several players to astronomic wages. We'll change and improve.


If we had adressed Rb,tho max has uncomfortable trust in DS, we would have again improved the team considerably.




A seller team, would have sold Sandro for 70mil, Dybala for 160 mil, Pjanic for 80 mil and than wonder why everyone asks 100 mil for Sturaro's and Quagliarella's
 
May 26, 2016
4,073
What is 'a seller team' ?

Is Madrid a seller team cause it sold Morata ? Is Barcelona a seller team cause it sold Neymar ? Is juventus not a seller team cause it rejected a 160mil offer for Dybala ?


Marotta builds a solid core, and exchanges players around it. What is defined as 'core' may change. He always makes sure that we have our core, but can exchange any player outside it, and we never weaken. Certain area's might regress a bit, others improve, the result is status quo or slight improvement.

Marotta uses this in a specific way. Sell players, can be anyone, to replace with others. He consistantly refreshes the team in this way.

1) 2010/2011 -> 2014/2015 : The big team was build. Only sales of inferior players.

2) 2015/2016
Base : Central axis (BBC + Marchisio & Pogba)
Out : Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez
IN : Dybala, Khedira, Mandzukic, Sandro, Cuadrado

Before : 3-5-2 / 442 : Very hard working formation with limited creativity and poor wings
After : 3-5-2 : The idea was to vastly improve the wings, with Sandro and Cuadrado, Mandzukic as the main focal point and Dybala to replace tevez. Midfield lost 2 players, but got Khedira. Pogba was about to explode, Marchisio was improving. The central axis regressed but our wings were significantly better
Conclusion : changed from a full centeral to a wing and center team. Team ended up having more potential than the previous one, unlucky in Munich

3) 2016/2017
Base : Central axis (BBC + Dybala)
OUT : Pogba & Morata
IN : Pjanic, Higuain, Alves

Before : Allrounded 3-5-2
After : textbook 4-2-3-1 : Idea was to sell Pogba, but replace by Pjanic to change the style and limit the further central regression. Adding a worldclass centreforward, and a proven worldclass rightback. Team ended up in a fantastic 4-2-3-1 formation that steamrolled to the final's end, untill the lack of depth caused it to run out of said steam


4) 2017/2018
Base : Central axis (bc - Pjanic - Dybala - Higuain with trustworthy left side and issuefull right side
OUT : Alves, Bonucci
IN : Costa, Bernadeschi, Matuidi,

Before : Insane 4-2-3-1 with absolutely no depth and inconsistant RW
After : 4-2-3-1 / 433(f9) with midfield and offensive depth. For the first time we sold two players we didnt planned to. Bonucci and alves were shipped out. Big talent Rugani is ready to take over and Howedes was bought as the experienced backup. While RB is a major concern, we fixed the previous weaknesses of the formation and can now play two different formations with depth for both. Potentially incredibly talent increase offensively



Before Bonucci and Alves, we sold and changed the team to fix previous issues while compensating for what we sold. We will continue to do so. I could see us sell Sandro next year to get two high class fullbacks for each side for example.



We are not in the situation financially where we keep several players to astronomic wages. We'll change and improve.


If we had adressed Rb,tho max has uncomfortable trust in DS, we would have again improved the team considerably.




A seller team, would have sold Sandro for 70mil, Dybala for 160 mil, Pjanic for 80 mil and than wonder why everyone asks 100 mil for Sturaro's and Quagliarella's
For once, i agree with you. Good post
 

NitK

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2008
1,909
As good as sold. 3 man mid make sense now.

@Zacheryah was right to keep that avatar, I moved too quickly to change from my Barca Dybala sig.
 

NitK

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2008
1,909
[video=twitter;903182284840370176]https://twitter.com/GuillemBalague/status/903182284840370176[/video]

Offer that @CorSport mentioned of Barcelona for Dybala ( €160) didnt take place - Guillem Balague
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
As good as sold. 3 man mid make sense now.

@Zacheryah was right to keep that avatar, I moved too quickly to change from my Barca Dybala sig.
I'm allready putting reminders to change my avatar back at the beginning of each mercato

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Morata was nothing more but a bench player for Madrid, and Neymar had a €200m clause. Bad examples.
You just showcased why they are great examples. Just selling players doesnt make you a selling team. The explenation for Madrid and Barcelona is easy as you just needed half a phrase to do so. For Juve, its quite a bit longer.

Bottomline, we arent a selling team either.

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:lol:

Would such an offer arrive at the beginning of the transfer window he'd be gone.
Actually we have confirmed to have received offers over 100mil for him and rejected those aswell
 

Liviu

Senior Member
Jan 10, 2015
992
What is 'a seller team' ?

Is Madrid a seller team cause it sold Morata ? Is Barcelona a seller team cause it sold Neymar ? Is juventus not a seller team cause it rejected a 160mil offer for Dybala ?


Marotta builds a solid core, and exchanges players around it. What is defined as 'core' may change. He always makes sure that we have our core, but can exchange any player outside it, and we never weaken. Certain area's might regress a bit, others improve, the result is status quo or slight improvement.

Marotta uses this in a specific way. Sell players, can be anyone, to replace with others. He consistantly refreshes the team in this way.

1) 2010/2011 -> 2014/2015 : The big team was build. Only sales of inferior players.

2) 2015/2016
Base : Central axis (BBC + Marchisio & Pogba)
Out : Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez
IN : Dybala, Khedira, Mandzukic, Sandro, Cuadrado

Before : 3-5-2 / 442 : Very hard working formation with limited creativity and poor wings
After : 3-5-2 : The idea was to vastly improve the wings, with Sandro and Cuadrado, Mandzukic as the main focal point and Dybala to replace tevez. Midfield lost 2 players, but got Khedira. Pogba was about to explode, Marchisio was improving. The central axis regressed but our wings were significantly better
Conclusion : changed from a full centeral to a wing and center team. Team ended up having more potential than the previous one, unlucky in Munich

3) 2016/2017
Base : Central axis (BBC + Dybala)
OUT : Pogba & Morata
IN : Pjanic, Higuain, Alves

Before : Allrounded 3-5-2
After : textbook 4-2-3-1 : Idea was to sell Pogba, but replace by Pjanic to change the style and limit the further central regression. Adding a worldclass centreforward, and a proven worldclass rightback. Team ended up in a fantastic 4-2-3-1 formation that steamrolled to the final's end, untill the lack of depth caused it to run out of said steam


4) 2017/2018
Base : Central axis (bc - Pjanic - Dybala - Higuain with trustworthy left side and issuefull right side
OUT : Alves, Bonucci
IN : Costa, Bernadeschi, Matuidi,

Before : Insane 4-2-3-1 with absolutely no depth and inconsistant RW
After : 4-2-3-1 / 433(f9) with midfield and offensive depth. For the first time we sold two players we didnt planned to. Bonucci and alves were shipped out. Big talent Rugani is ready to take over and Howedes was bought as the experienced backup. While RB is a major concern, we fixed the previous weaknesses of the formation and can now play two different formations with depth for both. Potentially incredibly talent increase offensively



Before Bonucci and Alves, we sold and changed the team to fix previous issues while compensating for what we sold. We will continue to do so. I could see us sell Sandro next year to get two high class fullbacks for each side for example.



We are not in the situation financially where we keep several players to astronomic wages. We'll change and improve.


If we had adressed Rb,tho max has uncomfortable trust in DS, we would have again improved the team considerably.




A seller team, would have sold Sandro for 70mil, Dybala for 160 mil, Pjanic for 80 mil and than wonder why everyone asks 100 mil for Sturaro's and Quagliarella's
1. Real are not a selling team as they sold a young-ish bench player, didn't sold a starter and probably didn't sign a replacement to give Asensio more playing time and Ronaldo can play CF too.
2. Barca are not a selling team as Neymar had a clause (didn't understood the low figure and clauses are mandatory in La Liga) but they had nothing to do with that sale, it wasn't their decision.
3. Juve are a selling team because we sell established players and replace them with good-ish players with high potential and free players...Vidal - Khedira, Tevez - Dybala...for me it's all about replacements, do you get an even better player or someone who will be good in 2 years time?
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
What is 'a seller team' ?

Is Madrid a seller team cause it sold Morata ? Is Barcelona a seller team cause it sold Neymar ? Is juventus not a seller team cause it rejected a 160mil offer for Dybala ?


Marotta builds a solid core, and exchanges players around it. What is defined as 'core' may change. He always makes sure that we have our core, but can exchange any player outside it, and we never weaken. Certain area's might regress a bit, others improve, the result is status quo or slight improvement.

Marotta uses this in a specific way. Sell players, can be anyone, to replace with others. He consistantly refreshes the team in this way.

1) 2010/2011 -> 2014/2015 : The big team was build. Only sales of inferior players.

2) 2015/2016
Base : Central axis (BBC + Marchisio & Pogba)
Out : Vidal, Pirlo, Tevez
IN : Dybala, Khedira, Mandzukic, Sandro, Cuadrado

Before : 3-5-2 / 442 : Very hard working formation with limited creativity and poor wings
After : 3-5-2 : The idea was to vastly improve the wings, with Sandro and Cuadrado, Mandzukic as the main focal point and Dybala to replace tevez. Midfield lost 2 players, but got Khedira. Pogba was about to explode, Marchisio was improving. The central axis regressed but our wings were significantly better
Conclusion : changed from a full centeral to a wing and center team. Team ended up having more potential than the previous one, unlucky in Munich

3) 2016/2017
Base : Central axis (BBC + Dybala)
OUT : Pogba & Morata
IN : Pjanic, Higuain, Alves

Before : Allrounded 3-5-2
After : textbook 4-2-3-1 : Idea was to sell Pogba, but replace by Pjanic to change the style and limit the further central regression. Adding a worldclass centreforward, and a proven worldclass rightback. Team ended up in a fantastic 4-2-3-1 formation that steamrolled to the final's end, untill the lack of depth caused it to run out of said steam


4) 2017/2018
Base : Central axis (bc - Pjanic - Dybala - Higuain with trustworthy left side and issuefull right side
OUT : Alves, Bonucci
IN : Costa, Bernadeschi, Matuidi,

Before : Insane 4-2-3-1 with absolutely no depth and inconsistant RW
After : 4-2-3-1 / 433(f9) with midfield and offensive depth. For the first time we sold two players we didnt planned to. Bonucci and alves were shipped out. Big talent Rugani is ready to take over and Howedes was bought as the experienced backup. While RB is a major concern, we fixed the previous weaknesses of the formation and can now play two different formations with depth for both. Potentially incredibly talent increase offensively



Before Bonucci and Alves, we sold and changed the team to fix previous issues while compensating for what we sold. We will continue to do so. I could see us sell Sandro next year to get two high class fullbacks for each side for example.



We are not in the situation financially where we keep several players to astronomic wages. We'll change and improve.


If we had adressed Rb,tho max has uncomfortable trust in DS, we would have again improved the team considerably.

A seller team, would have sold Sandro for 70mil, Dybala for 160 mil, Pjanic for 80 mil and than wonder why everyone asks 100 mil for Sturaro's and Quagliarella's
a seller team is a team that sells their leaders frequently, I'd say yes, Juventus is a seller team while Real and Barca certainly aren't. but I'm not ashamed of it, it's part of a decent philosophy, as a result we only have players that really want to wear this shirt and give their all on the pitch. it's not like Juve exists to make a profit for someone, we don't sell purely because of economic aspects.
 

DAiDEViL

Senior Member
Feb 21, 2015
64,595
1. Real are not a selling team as they sold a young-ish bench player, didn't sold a starter and probably didn't sign a replacement to give Asensio more playing time and Ronaldo can play CF too.
2. Barca are not a selling team as Neymar had a clause (didn't understood the low figure and clauses are mandatory in La Liga) but they had nothing to do with that sale, it wasn't their decision.
3. Juve are a selling team because we sell established players and replace them with good-ish players with high potential and free players...Vidal - Khedira, Tevez - Dybala...for me it's all about replacements, do you get an even better player or someone who will be good in 2 years time?

a seller team is a team that sells their leaders frequently, I'd say yes, Juventus is a seller team while Real and Barca certainly aren't. but I'm not ashamed of it, it's part of a decent philosophy, as a result we only have players that really want to wear this shirt and give their all on the pitch. it's not like Juve exists to make a profit for someone.
Pretty much this :tup:
 

Zacheryah

Senior Member
Aug 29, 2010
42,251
a seller team is a team that sells their leaders frequently, I'd say yes, Juventus is a seller team while Real and Barca certainly aren't. but I'm not ashamed of it, it's part of a decent philosophy, as a result we only have players that really want to wear this shirt and give their all on the pitch. it's not like Juve exists to make a profit for someone, we don't sell purely because of economic aspects.
Barcelona sold Ronaldo9, Figo, Ronaldinho, Neymar

Each time they wil a ballon d'or, the player leaves. Untill Messi, who's wages are crippeling the club.

What a seller team
 

NitK

Senior Member
Jul 22, 2008
1,909
Should Neymar be in that list? Buyout clause and actual sales are a bit different?

All the bitchery Barca showed about the buyout proves they didn't want to actually sell him.
 

pitbull

Senior Member
Jul 26, 2007
11,045
Barcelona sold Ronaldo9, Figo, Ronaldinho, Neymar

Each time they wil a ballon d'or, the player leaves. Untill Messi, who's wages are crippeling the club.

What a seller team
Ronaldinho didn't leave as a leader, he was essentially a has-been ruined by injuries and lack of professionalism when he left for Milan, Messi already was the boss of Barca at that time.

Figo and R9 happened nearly 20 years ago, they might've been a selling club then, but they surely aren't now.
 

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